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Where would you place them in terms of power compared to the likes of Sidious, Yoda, Windu, Dooku, Anakin, Obi Wan, ETC.

This isn't the place for this thread. I'm afraid it'll be moved, buddy.

Really?

They are well above. Marka Ragnos could probably beat any three of those at one time TBH.

^LMAO

lets say the power of

Ragnos
Tulak Hord
Ludo Kressh
Naga Sadow
Freedon Nadd
Exar Kun
Uliq Quel Droma
Darth Sion
Darth Traya
Darth Nihilus

Ragnos is stated to be on par with Vader physically.

Hord honestly is probably the strongest ancient. They made him so overpowered in TOR. He stomped thousands of Jedi, absorbed their essences, and brought down a Hammerhead cruiser. So I'd say above ROTS Anakin.

Ludo destroyed a giant statue by getting mad, otherwise no feats. So probably lower than Yoda, but definitely Jedi Council level.

Naga used all of his feats with his Corsair. Without it however he was able to possess a Jedi during TOR. I'd say he too is council level.

Nadd is impressive, he killed more Jedi with his blaster than a LS. I'd say Qui gon level.

Kun is probably lower than Vader.

Same as above.

Sion has his immprtality, however his psyche can be destroyed by Dun Moch. So Dooku could stomp him.

Traya is interesting, I don't know where exactly she would be placed so I don't know yet.

Nihilus can be destroyed by anyone who knows how to block force Drain, so below Ulic, Dooku, Vader, Yoda, Nomi, etc.

Kevin J Anderson describes the ancient sith that he created as being "on a firmly lower tier" than Palpatine.

They're powerful, but Sidious should be superior to most of them

According to old forum posts from 2005-2006 this forum wanked them at one point, wonder why.

Trends. A few regular members got in with the idea and the rest of us went along with it. It tied in with the frequent notion in sci-fi of ancient, older civilizations/beings being super powerful and advanced.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Trends. A few regular members got in with the idea and the rest of us went along with it. It tied in with the frequent notion in sci-fi of ancient, older civilizations/beings being super powerful and advanced.

I got u broski. Its in the past though so no use beating the dead pig get what I mean.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Ragnos is stated to be on par with Vader physically.

Hord honestly is probably the strongest ancient. They made him so overpowered in TOR. He stomped thousands of Jedi, absorbed their essences, and brought down a Hammerhead cruiser. So I'd say above ROTS Anakin.

Ludo destroyed a giant statue by getting mad, otherwise no feats. So probably lower than Yoda, but definitely Jedi Council level.

Naga used all of his feats with his Corsair. Without it however he was able to possess a Jedi during TOR. I'd say he too is council level.

Nadd is impressive, he killed more Jedi with his blaster than a LS. I'd say Qui gon level.

Kun is probably lower than Vader.

Same as above.

Sion has his immprtality, however his psyche can be destroyed by Dun Moch. So Dooku could stomp him.

Traya is interesting, I don't know where exactly she would be placed so I don't know yet.

Nihilus can be destroyed by anyone who knows how to block force Drain, so below Ulic, Dooku, Vader, Yoda, Nomi, etc.

Nihilus' drain was unique and could not simply be 'blocked'.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Trends. A few regular members got in with the idea and the rest of us went along with it. It tied in with the frequent notion in sci-fi of ancient, older civilizations/beings being super powerful and advanced.
You might be surprised by accomplishments Celestials; they reshaped the Galaxy itself.

Rakatans were also decent; they collapsed from infighting and left a void which was filled by the Republic and other Empires.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Ragnos is stated to be on par with Vader physically.
And also "a master of the Force."

Originally posted by The Merchant
Hord honestly is probably the strongest ancient. They made him so overpowered in TOR. He stomped thousands of Jedi, absorbed their essences, and brought down a Hammerhead cruiser. So I'd say above ROTS Anakin.
Above Yoda as well.

Possibly above Plagueis as well.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Ludo destroyed a giant statue by getting mad, otherwise no feats. So probably lower than Yoda, but definitely Jedi Council level.

Naga used all of his feats with his Corsair. Without it however he was able to possess a Jedi during TOR. I'd say he too is council level.
Agreed

Originally posted by The Merchant
Nadd is impressive, he killed more Jedi with his blaster than a LS. I'd say Qui gon level.
Above Qui-Gon, IMO.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Kun is probably lower than Vader.
Not sure about this.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Same as above.
Not sure about this.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Sion has his immprtality, however his psyche can be destroyed by Dun Moch. So Dooku could stomp him.
Sion is "exceedingly difficult to kill."

Didn't he gave up because he had soft corner for Meetra?

Originally posted by The Merchant
Traya is interesting, I don't know where exactly she would be placed so I don't know yet.
I am also confused about her. She was stronger then Meetra though.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Nihilus can be destroyed by anyone who knows how to block force Drain, so below Ulic, Dooku, Vader, Yoda, Nomi, etc.
Nihilus's Force abilities and talents are typically underestimated. His fall is circumstantial.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You might be surprised by accomplishments Celestials; they reshaped the Galaxy itself.

Rakatans were also decent; they collapsed from infighting and left a void which was filled by the Republic and other Empires. I... I know. I've been a member here for f*ckin ever.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You might be surprised by accomplishments Celestials; they reshaped the Galaxy itself.

Rakatans were also decent; they collapsed from infighting and left a void which was filled by the Republic and other Empires.


Although the Celestials could easily defeat any military force in modern SW, I'm more skeptical about the rakatans, who had savant-like advancement in some areas, but were inhibited on their reliance on the dark side (ie., limited hyperdrive technology).



Uh...that qualifier doesn't quantity much of anything.





Hord is not above Yoda, and your implication that Plagueis > Yoda is false as well.



His greatest feats are still below DE Palpatine in terms of raw destructive power.

Yeah, many people are called a Master of the Force.

Nah, I wouldn't say above Yoda, but certainly within his league. Also, Yoda would curbstomp Plagueis. Hord could be around Plagueis, maybe a bit lower.

Cool!

Ehh, Nadd conquered a planet, but I don't think he can beat Jinn.

Kun and Droma vs. Vader, I will give it to Vader. If someone like Keto can withstand being hit by the Amulet force blast, I believe Vader, who's taken much worse, can as well. And has shown to be faster. Droma's Jar'Kai would definitely be difficult for Vader, but Vader could always just blast him away with waves of force energy if need be.

Sion is hard to kill because of his rage. He's a juggernaut. However, he is going to realize that if he can't kill an opponent, why even try?

Yeah, guessing Traya should be council member level.

Nihilus can be defeated with the block Droma knew of. There's no evidence that his technique of absorbing one's life is different from the technique or the Reaper's.

Marka Ragnos was more or less Vader-ish level. As the Merchant said, he was stated to be akin to Vader physically, and on the official SWTOR site it depicts Marka Ragnos as the core role model Sith Juggernaut, like Vader would be. Marka Ragnos was also depicted as a "master of the Force" which means he's no slouch there either, though this doesn't put him on Vader's level surely. However, don't forget that his Scepter was able to blast gaping holes in Stone Walls and a direct blast would be dangerous for Vader. His Sith Sword as also imbued with some magic powers, shown when he used it in Tavion's body. And considering he became a Sith Spirit, it's painfully obvious he was very skilled in Sith Sorcery or Sith Alchemy. Whatever the case, he's good.

I'll get to the others later, way too much to type for now.

So can Vader. He can destroys solid stone walls and crush droids that hare huge. I think it depends on your interpretation whether it means force amp'd or not.

Ragnos is overrated.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Ragnos is overrated.
Almost all of the ancient sith are overrated, revan included. You have no idea how many times i come across people saying revan is the strongest force user, or that Tulak is the greatest duelist ever.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Almost all of the ancient sith are overrated, revan included. You have no idea how many times i come across people saying revan is the strongest force user, or that Tulak is the greatest duelist ever.

Well put, buddy.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Almost all of the ancient sith are overrated, revan included. You have no idea how many times i come across people saying revan is the strongest force user, or that Tulak is the greatest duelist ever. So like most of the members on this forum for like 3 years in a row?

I've seen far more wanking of the ancients, then of revan suprsingly. No clue what makes the ancients so "uber".

i would definitely not call myself a revan hater, i still consider him a top 20 jedi, it's just that i dont consider him a force god capable of beating the likes of luke, sidious, yoda, heck maybe even obi wan.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
i would definitely not call myself a revan hater, i still consider him a top 20 jedi, it's just that i dont consider him a force god capable of beating the likes of luke, sidious, yoda, heck maybe even obi wan.

Revan cant take Sidious or Yoda obviously there above him.

Windu is really close could go ether way.

And Revan takes Kenobi forsure.

I would like to here your input on why revan would win. obi wan was the absolute master of soresu, where revan is not said to have mastered any forms, giving him the saber battle. im not sure about the force battle tho.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
giving him the saber battle.
i meant that for obi wan, not revan, my mistake.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I would like to here your input on why revan would win. obi wan was the absolute master of soresu, where revan is not said to have mastered any forms, giving him the saber battle. im not sure about the force battle tho.

-Revan beat Malak amped by the power of 8Jedi Masters. 20by the guide. And this wasint Revan anywhere near his prime.
-Defeated Darth Nyriss who beat Scourage/Exile.
-Put Sith Emperor on his ass on a nexus.
-Best Jedi of his time.

- are you sure those were masters, or just an assumption?
- i suppose ur correct, although being arguably the 3rd best master in the golden age of the jedi order, i'd say obi-wan is well beyond nyriss's power level.
-while the emperor proceeded to absolutely barrage him with force lightning, utterly defeating him.
- cant argue with that, only thing i can say is that he was the greatest jedi in an era of relatively featless jedi other than malak and maybe a few others

none of what you mentioned dispells the fact that obi wan was a better swordmaster, although arguably revan was a better force wielder.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
- are you sure those were masters, or just an assumption?
- i suppose ur correct, although being arguably the 3rd best master in the golden age of the jedi order, i'd say obi-wan is well beyond nyriss's power level.
-while the emperor proceeded to absolutely barrage him with force lightning, utterly defeating him.
- cant argue with that, only thing i can say is that he was the greatest jedi in an era of relatively featless jedi other than malak and maybe a few others

none of what you mentioned dispells the fact that obi wan was a better swordmaster, although arguably revan was a better force wielder.

1.masters
2.4th, and I doubt he's far beyong.
3.yeah and revan did better on a nexus then kenobi would ever do.
4.so?....dosint make Kenobi>Revan

prove he was a better saber duelist. and revan is a far better force user.

obi wan is referenced as the greatest master of soresu the jedi order ever had. i dont believe there are ANY sources that indicate revan was a master of any specific form. although i do concede the point that revan was the better force user.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
obi wan is referenced as the greatest master of soresu the jedi order ever had.

And that means...he can beat Revan?...

Nope. Sorry buddy Kenobis good, but Revans better.

sorry if u mis-interpreted what i was saying; i meant that kenobi would beat revan in a saber battle, and gave the answer i gave. revan is literally almost featless when it comes to saber combat.

also he defeated anakin, arguably the greatest Djem-So user ever (as stated by dooku, the master of makashi)

Originally posted by The Merchant
So can Vader. He can destroys solid stone walls and crush droids that hare huge. I think it depends on your interpretation whether it means force amp'd or not.

I didn't say he was better than Vader, that is where you are mistaken. But from the little info we have he's obviously the Vader-type of the Ancient Sith. They're easily comparable.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
I've seen far more wanking of the ancients, then of revan suprsingly. No clue what makes the ancients so "uber".

The same reason why people always assume that the older generations were better. The "good old days" mentality.

That being said, one has to admit that beings such as Ragnos and Exar Kun certainly were capable of performing feats that Vader never replicated, possibly because he simply wasn't very interested in sith alchemy.

It's because the TOTJ comics had the title "Golden age of the Sith" for their first run.