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how far do YOU think he gets? gets full rests in between, takes place in the senate rotunda

1. Sora Bulq
2. ROTS Obi wan
3. ROTS Dooku
4. prime revan
5. barsen'thor
6. hero of tython

He clears.

No, really, he clears.

His dueling skills are suggesting to match Kyle Katarn's.
His strength in the Force is sometimes suggested to surpass Luke's.

wow. where does it say his blade skills matched katarn's?

Well, when Luke comments on a lost tribe sith's dueling skills, he suggests that he may be a match for an expert duelist such as Katarn or Durron.

wow. that kinda shakes up the whole hierarchy.

edit: so would you say kyp is the 3rd/2nd most powerful jedi?

How?

hierarchy in terms of a top 10 list. you'd have to put kyp in the top 5, while effectively lowering everyone else one notch

Kyp's always had enormous force powers though.

Anyway, I've never been overly impressed by Katarn's swordplay so Durron matching him there is hardly surprising.

katarn was considered second to none in terms of dueling in the NJO barring luke.

Which is impressive considering his rivals in the form of.............

Jaden Korr?

jaden matched kyle in saber skills?

Jaden beats him in the darkside ending.

But I was more pointing out that Katarn being the best duelist in Lukes Order isn't that impressive considering it isn't exactly brimming with lightsaber prodigies.

nah, the only reason he even beats katarn is because jaden uses the scepter of ragnos on him.

Oh yeah.

I wonder why people don't rate Ragnos higher. That scepter is at least as broken as Exar's amulet.

probably because he doesnt have the feats to match.

what do you think of the whole durron situation?

He's not beating the HoT. sneer

hmm, im not sure about sabers (although i just might be inclined to give HoT the nod), but kyp holds a huge advantage in the force.

edit: on a side note, aren't things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfgSZC2QXv4 fairly epic?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
probably because he doesnt have the feats to match.

what do you think of the whole durron situation?

Actually, he really has more going for him than some people think. Y'know, beating up Tarentateks with his bare hands, being considered THE role-model Sith Juggernaut type fighter in the TOR Era, and Naga Sadow is supposed to be a pussy in comparison. Add that with that statement that he's a master of the Force, and give him his stick o' destiny and you've got a badass.

Also, some assumptions:

As he often applies FL the body of Tavion Aximis, it can be assumed he applied it regularly in life. As he ended up becoming a Sith Spirit through unknown means, he was probably a master of Sith Magic. And The Merchant claims that there is a statement saying Ragnos has the same physical stature as Vader.

Assuming the rest of his abilities that are unknown are up to par with everything we know... He's pretty beastly.

Add onto that Luke Skywalker's insinuations about his power in JA.

But of course, much of this appears vague/apocryphal, so I would hesitate to put him above Vader. KJA labeled Exar Kun as the most powerful of the ancient sith he created. And we don't really know how he stands against Vader. Vader's really the key to it all, lol.

Is Ragnos being 'the most powerful of the most powerful' from a credible source? Its a great accolade.

So is Jaden Korr "the most powerful of the most powerful of the most powerful"?

Yes.

Epiphany: what if the accolade is faintly hyperbolic?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Is Ragnos being 'the most powerful of the most powerful' from a credible source? Its a great accolade.

I've only seen it used in a blurb. So probably not all that credible.

It seems rather self-explanatory and literal to me.

Edit: Oh, really? Which blurb?

Mace Windu said that Kar Vastor rivals Yoda in Force power.
Yoda = Sidious.
Sidious = GOAT sith lord
And Nick tells us Vader >>> Kar Vastor.

What can we conclude from this?

Mace Windu overestimates THE SHIT out of people.

Seriously that "Obi-Wan Kenobi: Soresu God" thing is worthless now.

^wouldn't he also overestimate Yoda in his comparison, then?

No, since he considers himself as a padawan compared to Yoda.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It seems rather self-explanatory and literal to me.

Edit: Oh, really? Which blurb?

Edit: Link not working for some reason.

But go to Wookieepedia and check out the publisher's summary for Tales of the Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith 2: Funeral for a Dark Lord.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, since he considers himself as a padawan compared to Yoda.

So Windu-exaggerated-Vastor is on par with Windu-exaggerated-Yoda?

Originally posted by Master Han
Mace Windu said that Kar Vastor rivals Yoda in Force power.
Yoda = Sidious.
Sidious = GOAT sith lord
And Nick tells us Vader >>> Kar Vastor.

What can we conclude from this?

Or Windu was talking about potential. After all, he compared him to Anakin as well.

Shhhh...

^lol, wut? So he was the most powerful (in what manner?) of his empire. Big whoop. It even suggests that this is a result of his "Dark Lord of the Sith" title.

lol, those accolades can relate to malak as well, and we all know how he compares with heavyweights...

You have some great accolades for Malak? Post them!

...of his era.

The same era that had Tulak Hord running around in. super13

Tulak Hord was a "master" duelist. Dooku was a "consummate" duelist. And Yoda was Dooku's master, so he's at least 7.5 times more powerful.

Actually Tulak Hord has 'legendary lightsaber skills' and was the greatest duelist of the Ancient Sith, "remarkable even for his time, when many true lightsaber masters lived" where "If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually Tulak Hord has 'legendary lightsaber skills'

Yeah, but Dooku was one of the Jedi Order's greatest legends. Tulak Hord's mediocre as far as legends go.



Kreia is a dumbass, since she never completes her analogy. As it stands, we are the children, and they are the toys. We win.

Fun fact: We've seen some ancient sith in combat with later sith. At least three that I can recall, Muur, Dreypa, and Andeddu.

While powerful, they are beatable.

Have we seen them in lightsaber combat?

Besides, all of those were sorcerers.

Originally posted by Master Han
Yeah, but Dooku was one of the Jedi Order's greatest legends. Tulak Hord's mediocre as far as legends go.



Kreia is a dumbass, since she never completes her analogy. As it stands, we are the children, and they are the toys. We win.

Did Dooku ever solo 1000 Jedi? super13


U jelly.

um, isnt exar kun canonically stronger than marka?