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How far does he get!?.

1.Qui Gon Jinn
2.Darth Maul
3.DoE Darth Bane
4.Count Dooku
5.Mace Windu
6.ROTS Yoda
7.ROTS Darth Sidious
8.DE Darth Sidious
9.Prime Luke Skywalker

Stops at 1.

He clears, easily. Ragnos WILL always be the most powerful. Nothing Darth Shitous has done will ever eclipse that.

um, 5 at most

Originally posted by Ragnosfan1998
He clears, easily. Ragnos WILL always be the most powerful. Nothing Darth Shitous has done will ever eclipse that.

sidious>vitiate>>>>>>>ragnos, these 2 have FAR superior feats to Fagnos (note shitty name edit)

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
sidious>vitiate>>>>>>>ragnos, these 2 have FAR superior feats to Fagnos (note shitty name edit)



Ragnos is the most powerful. He always will be. He was considered the SITH GOD. Sure Vitiate was considered the greatest master OF the darkside but Ragnos IS the most powerful Sith. Nyriss even said it, and it was stated in TOTJ.

Ragnos has far better achievements then Shitious(who for that matter is far weaker then any of the great ancient sith and is low tier compared to the KOTOR greats or Vitiate). Sidious got tooled by Mace Windu, tooled by a injured half man slow cyborg(who picked him up and CHUCKED him into the disposer like the GARBAGE he is).

Ragnos defeated hundreds of Jedi AT ONCE. Had a sceptor that could make NON FORCE USERS into force users and DRAIN THE LIFE out of worlds and was the God of the Sith. Tulak Hord the 2nd most powerful Sithlord defeated Armies of Jedi. His Jedi kill count may be as high as 1,000,000.

Shitious would get killed in 1second by Hord or Ragnos. Thats just a fact.

Again, the CHARACTER WITH THE GREATER ACHIEVEMENTS AND POWER WILL ALWAYS BE RANKED ABOVE THOSE WITH LOWER ACHIEVEMENTS!.

You need to stop idolizing the PT/OT and movies and accept facts.

Ragnos was so powerful that only a padawan could defeat him?

you are ignorant. sidious is canonically the most powerful sith in existence, and vitiate was canonically the most powerful sith up to his time (more powerful than ragnos, sadow, nadd, kun, etc.), and sidious has definitely accomplished more. read a book.

btw, are you honestly a troll, or is this just ignorance on your part?

Originally posted by The Merchant
Stops at 1.

Lol. No, the staff by itself is more than enough to beat a pansy like Jinn.

He gets to 3 imo. Ragnos is obviously hugely powerful and the staff is broken as shite but I'm not putting him above Bane based just on that.

The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR: Codex Entry)

The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed. (SWTORE, Page 89)

- S_W_LeGenD

You contradicted yourself. The only one here thats IGNORANT IS YOU.



NOPE. Shitious got MURKED by a old half man half machine with just 1arm. Tulak Hord would slaughter him and Yoda WITH ease. Nihilus would eat him.

AGAIN IGNORANCE.



Shitious lost to Windu BADLY(who would die against any full fledged ancient sith such as Naga Sadow in 1second). Got murked by A INJURED VADER.

I will say this again:

THOSE WITH GREATER FEATS AND ACHIEVEMENTS WILL ALWAYS ALWAYS BE RANKED MORE POWERFUL!. (:

TULAK HORD AND MARKA RAGNOS AND THE ANCIENT SITH WILL AND ALWAYS HAVE HAD FAR FAR FAR GREATER FEATS THEN DARTH SHITIOUS THE DARK SHITSIDE OF THE FORCE!.

that is a FACT nothing you can say will change that. (:



You just contradicted yourself.

So far, the only feats we've actually seen Ragnos do is get his ass kicked by a Padawan.

Simply put, we can't say where he truly should be situated.

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."

do you even know what canon means? ragnos hasn't done ANYTHING to put him even close to sidious/vitiate.

To be fair, Jaden was pretty powerful.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To be fair, Jaden was pretty powerful.

yes, but you must understand the astronomical ignorance it requires to put sidious and vitiate behind ragnos, correct?

I was talking to ares. Calling Jaden a padawan is misleading considering Jaden was actually pretty badass.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was talking to ares. Calling Jaden a padawan is misleading considering Jaden was actually pretty badass.

when i said yes at the beginning of the sentence, i was agreeing with you

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was talking to ares. Calling Jaden a padawan is misleading considering Jaden was actually pretty badass.

NO. Ragnos only lost to Jaden because he was in Tavions body and he couldint get anywhere NEAR his full power because of the weak little shit.

Theres a reason why he wanted his original body back, folks.

Luke Skywalker the most powerful Jedi ever stated "if Marka Ragnos comes back ALL Jedi will die".

"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."

-Traya

their you have it, Sidious is a kid playing with a lightsaber cheese knife compared to Tulak Hord.

Okay this is ridiculous. Sidious IS the most powerful Sith, and above Ragnos obviously.

Ragnos is still very powerful though. I say he loses at Yoda.

Based on what feats does he beat Dooku, Windu or DOE Bane?

Originally posted by ares834
Based on what feats does he beat Dooku, Windu or DOE Bane?

-He lead his own Sith Empire through a period of immense prosperity.
-He was a giant Sith breed and a power fighter:who beat his tentarak
-His scepter in Jedi Academy has the power to shoot beams that can smash through stones and collapse parts of cellings.
-He was able to live as a force ghost after death. Something only Sith of IMMENSE power have acomplished.
-Ludo Kressh also stated Naga Sadow was a discrace to Marka Ragnoses name. Ludo also smashed a Sith Sword with his bare hands and collapsed a giant statue. Ragnos is a large amount above Ludo, obviously so thats impressive.
-In SWTOR it refers to the Sith Juggernaut (Darth Vader, Darth Malgus, etc.) as the way of Marka Ragnos, meaning he was a powerful tank fighter.
-He was the one that named Uliq and Exar Kun Sithlords, as stated on the website(for some reason he came back in spirt form, rising from the dead). Nether challenged him or even fought back when he commended superiority over them.
-Ruled the sith empire for over 100years.
-He defeated Simus for title of the Dark lord of the Sith. Simus was able to keep himself alive as a head through the force.
-Was better then all Sith Lords before him. And that includes Ajunta Pall who slew 12Jedi at once I believe--and King Adas who ruled his empire for over a century powering himself by the darkside and drove out the Rakatan Infinite Empire.

I also have heard people say the creator of TOTJ stated he had equal physical strength to Darth Vader--but i'm not sure this is true. Ragnos is very very powerful, but is obviously under Sidious/Yoda.

Yeah...


Not a single one of those puts him above Maul let alone Windu.

Originally posted by ares834
Yeah...


Not a single one of those puts him above Maul let alone Windu.

True. Yeah I overestimated his strength, he loses at 3 proabably. Most of his powers come from his scepter. Was just trying to make this thread interesting. When thinking about it he has no real feats putting him above Maul.

Might not even win 2.

Originally posted by ares834
Yeah...


Not a single one of those puts him above Maul let alone Windu.

I'd personally say that can put him above Maul, assuming he has his stick-o'-destiny with him. And I'm sure there's a bit more that can be said for him.

lol, Zeilon is that you? Anyways, the staff can absorb force enrgies and crack through stone but Ragnos has no speed feats while Jinn is fast enough to make his saber look like it becomes a green blur.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol. No, the staff by itself is more than enough to beat a pansy like Jinn.

He gets to 3 imo. Ragnos is obviously hugely powerful and the staff is broken as shite but I'm not putting him above Bane based just on that.
Agreed. DoE Bane is a more impressive combatant.

EDIT: oops, I've just noticed #2 is Maul... Yeah Ragnos goes down there most probably.

Originally posted by Ragnosfan1998
"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."

-Traya

their you have it, Sidious is a kid playing with a lightsaber cheese knife compared to Tulak Hord.
Character's opinions are fallible, obviously, and Traya is a known liar.

Marka Ragnos looks at his first foe, then leaves, disappointed, looking for a sith duel to interrupt instead.

Marka Rangos loves interrupting duels.



Yet, revived ancient Sith keep getting killed by newer people...

How do we go from "there's not enough information about him to "he won't even make it to 3"? What we don't know about him already puts him at 3 at the very least.

Also, lol@revived. He was nothing more than a sith spirit going into an inferior body. Remind us how that translates into "lol he is a weakling"?

Not just him. There's been other ancient sith who've survived in stasis or who have come back in their bodies restored.


"The Ancient Sith are Best!" is the opinion of some characters, but these characters don't have all the information and the facts indicate that, while there are certainly some very powerful ancient sith, they aren't really beyond the powerful sith of other eras.

the ancient sith bowed before sidious and praised him, fyi

Ragnostroll666, you are aware that Sidious has been routinely labeled the most powerful sith lord to have ever lived by a multitude of canon sources, including fight coreographers and the creator of Marka Ragnos, right?

I'm going to be a d*ck and say he stops at 1.

Well, you're nothing if not consistently wrong.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
the ancient sith bowed before sidious and praised him, fyi

At least some of the ancient sith were kinda jerks to him in Empire's End actually, or at least most of them were... but they're jerks to everyone, and at least one of 'em liked him for his power and devotion to the dark side and helped him out.


Which is pretty standard- if you're looking for advice from ancient side, be (1) powerful in the dark side, and (2) ask as many as possible, because *some* are going to be jerks and brush you off, but you'll usually find at least one powerful one who likes the cut of your jib as long as you have 1. That's how it worked for clone Palps and Krayt.

Oh, I just re-read the ancient sith spirits talking to Palps scene...


The ancient Sith there are such *pikers*! "We ruled for centuries, you ruled for mere decades!"

Yea, you, as a group, ruled for centuries (neither Marka, who ruled for about a century, or Vitaite, were among them btw)... ruled a couple dozen worlds. Palpatine ruled the galaxy! What punks!

Could you post the scan? I own Empire's end, but it's packed ATM

Ah, sorry, I don't have it scanned and it'd be tricky for me to do so at the moment.

Additionally, at the end of the conversation, they say that what he needs to do is possess Anakin Solo... who's, like, a baby at the moment. I seriously believe they were just screwing with him.

Really, Ancient Sith spirits are jerks.

Modern ones too, but I think the spiritification process gives one nothing better to do than to mess with still living sith.

Do, does Marka have any feats now?

Kinda sorta. Though most aren't new, just overlooked. Hardly any strict combat feats though.

Loses at 6imo.

nah, he isnt beating mace, let alone yoda

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
nah, he isnt beating mace, let alone yoda

He loses at Yoda, but defenitly beats Mace or Dooku.

How? What feats does have have to put him ahead of vaapad master windu or TK/makashi master dooku?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
How? What feats does have have to put him ahead of vaapad master windu or TK/makashi master dooku?

Being better then Exar Kun/Uliq together and Kun defeated one of the best Jedi duelists of his time, and choked 11Jedi in Dark Apprentice well severly weakend?.

Um, exar kun is canonically stronger than marka ragnos....

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Um, exar kun is canonically stronger than marka ragnos....

Prove it.

Because Ragnos walked up to Kun and Uliq and demonstrated complete superiority over them. They didint even TRY to fight back. If they were more powerful then him they would have taken command, thats like Dooku coming up to Yoda/Sidious and giving them instructions and bossing them around then both Yoda/Sidious submit.

Ragnos also has a sceptor that can blow through walls--it was Tavion that used the sceptor to blow through a wall--so when Ragnos is using it, its obviously far more powerful.

Because the creator of both characters said Kun was the strongest character he ever made? When in sith spirit form, one's power is amplified considerably.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because the creator of both characters said Kun was the strongest character he ever made? When in sith spirit form, one's power is amplified considerably.

1.Prove he said that.
2.Incorrect. In Spirit form one is far weaker then one is in regular form. If Spirit>Regular then why did Freedon Nadd want to get his body back so bad? why did Ragnos want to go to EXTREME mesaures to get his body back?. Also Kun was isolated for thousands of years and driven into madness. Well being severly weakend, Kun choked 11 Jedi atonce. Ragnos is better then him (as he showed COMPLETE and utter dominance over both him and Uliq).

Nah Kun's Sprit was a special case and was stronger than his mortal form and stuff. I mean it made Luke go into a coma and with Durron's power was going to rip his soul out.

Kun will win just about everytime. He was stated to be the most powerful of Kevin J. Andersons ancient sith(by Kevin J Anderson himself).

-Darthsith500, aka ROTJ Vader

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Kun will win just about everytime. He was stated to be the most powerful of Kevin J. Andersons ancient sith(by Kevin J Anderson himself).

-Darthsith500, aka ROTJ Vader


That was from along time ago, someone told me that quote existed and I believed them. But I can't seem to find it. If someone could provide me with the quote I will concedde.

Loses anywhere between 3-5.

Ragnos would defeat them ALL OF THEM AT ONCE WITH TOTAL EASE.