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Who wins? takes place in senate rotunda. Mention why you think your pick would win

Bane.

how so? Not saying you're wrong, would just like actual discussion

Lets face it, I am basically in love with this bald sociopath.

I dunno, I just think Banes better. Likely a bit faster and has better Force attacks.

not sure 'bout faster. In failing health, Krayt has blitzed 4 imperial knights, although I do not know the competence of these knights, it's impressive nonetheless.

Bane.

Krayt.

Reborn Krayt wins, Armored Krayt loses.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
not sure 'bout faster. In failing health, Krayt has blitzed 4 imperial knights, although I do not know the competence of these knights, it's impressive nonetheless.

They were the Emperor's Guard, including his cousin, and most of the knights we've seen are rather skilled (they're a smaller organization than the Jedi or Sith, so they seem more select).

Krayt wins in just about every area sans TK and possibly skill, strength and FL. However, in the end he's faster, has powerful Force Illusions, Dark Transfer, and all aspects that he's inferior to Bane in are by rather small margins.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Krayt wins in just about every area sans TK and possibly skill, strength and FL.

So basically only the most important ones then.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
However, in the end he's faster,

Nah.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
has powerful Force Illusions,

Bane resisted Zannahs Illusions and Kaan's telepathy.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Dark Transfer,

Admittedly a feather in his cap.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
and all aspects that he's inferior to Bane in are by rather small margins.

Small perhaps but overall I think they'll prove quite significant.

Maybe Krayt can pull if off but Bane is still beastly even without his orbalisks. He's also only slightly slower thanks to his age, according to him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So basically only the most important ones then.

Nah.

Bane resisted Zannahs Illusions and Kaan's telepathy.

Admittedly a feather in his cap.

Small perhaps but overall I think they'll prove quite significant.

1. I wouldn't say strength is among the most important things in a battle--Especially because DoE Bane's physically not much stronger than Krayt. Force Lightning is also not that important here, considering either of the combatants can stop each-other's lightning with their lightsabers, and if nothing else Krayt's Tutaminis is more than enough to absorb it. Telekinesis and Skill are crucial in a battle, and Bane just might have those edges. However, Krayt's TK was good enough to throw boulders, shatter stone, and practically ragdoll Cade. Bane can crush people's bones and internal organs with Force Waves, and smashed through the stone supports of the Temple of the Ancients and caused it to implode, though only while on a Nexus. Their difference in TK ability is not enough that I'd consider it an important advantage on Bane's part. As for skill, Bane really has few feats but from his descriptions in battle it's obvious he's a master of both brute approaches and luring ones. Krayt's skills are hard to gauge, but the fact that Cade was ultimately outmatched in saber combat makes me believe that saying Bane's equal to superior at all is generous to him. All in all, Bane's advantages will probably make little difference in this battle.

2. Yeah, he is faster. He's blitzed 3 high-status Imperial Knights while his health was diminished, and Imperial Knights are on average superior to Jedi. Bane's speed feat of deflecting a downpour of rain is an impressive speed feat--But considering people like Qui-Gon Jinn can create energy shields with their lightsaber, and Obi-Wan can deflect fire from over 20 shooters at once, this feat is not that abnormal. How many rain pellets would drop onto the surface of his body at once? Ten? Twenty? Well, considering that Bane could swat off several drops with a swing of his blade, this is not infeasible--Especially for someone who can blitz high level Jedi-like opponents.

3. Bane resisted Zannah's sorcery with a lot of trouble mind you, and had she attempted to cut him down while he was distracted instead of playing it safe, she might have been able to win the fight then and there. In all honesty, Krayt's/Wyyrlok's Dark Illusions are not that much weaker than Zannah's from what we've seen. Krayt utilized it effectively against a Skywalker for ****'s sake, and Wyyrlok utilized it effectively against him.

4. Yeah, it is pretty crucial to his victory, though it's possible he could win without it. Though, if he does what he did to Cade--Distracting Bane with Force Illusions, then grabbing him with his hands the fight is basically over. But assuming his illusions are dispelled first, Krayt can still use this ability to heal injuries like broken ribs (Zannah vs Bane anyone?), and gashes from Bane's lightsaber almost instantaneously. The fact that Krayt can shrug off most injuries (Though I don't think he can regenerate limbs or anything), is a distinct advantage over Bane. If Zannah had this ability, her victory might have been much smoother.

5. I addressed this in #1. Most of these advantages are insignificant, and the ones that are significant are so close that it hardly makes a difference. (If Bane even has these advantages)

Overall, I simply find Krayt to be more powerful than Bane. Considering Zannah (minus her tendrils) was still able to hold her own and almost fight equally with Bane, Krayt should be able to as well. Considering that he's arguably a better duelist than her, arguably faster, arguably equivalent TK, and arguably similar powers with Force Illusions, but with greater strength, Lightning, Tutaminis, hand-to-hand martial prowess, and Dark Transfer on top of that.

Damn.

Are you going to reply to that, Neph?

Prob'ly.

Also, I don't think Krayt's illusions would come in handy during combat. IIRC, the only time he used it was on a nearly unconscious Cade.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Prob'ly.

Are you implying that you might dishonor me by not responding to my beautiful work of art?

I'm typing up the reply now.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
1. I wouldn't say strength is among the most important things in a battle--Especially because DoE Bane's physically not much stronger than Krayt.

I'd say its not insignificant for your opponent to suffer and be worn down more every time you clash sabers.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Force Lightning is also not that important here, considering either of the combatants can stop each-other's lightning with their lightsabers, and if nothing else Krayt's Tutaminis is more than enough to absorb it.

Didn't Krayt get pwned by Muur's lightning?

Banes lightning is among the most powerful in the mythos. He can disintegrate rock with it. Can Krayt truly block it?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Telekinesis and Skill are crucial in a battle, and Bane just might have those edges. However, Krayt's TK was good enough to throw boulders, shatter stone, and practically ragdoll Cade. Bane can crush people's bones and internal organs with Force Waves, and smashed through the stone supports of the Temple of the Ancients and caused it to implode, though only while on a Nexus. Their difference in TK ability is not enough that I'd consider it an important advantage on Bane's part.

Throwing rocks and shattering stone isn't as impressive as disintegration of metal with his power greatly diminished.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
As for skill, Bane really has few feats but from his descriptions in battle it's obvious he's a master of both brute approaches and luring ones. Krayt's skills are hard to gauge, but the fact that Cade was ultimately outmatched in saber combat makes me believe that saying Bane's equal to superior at all is generous to him. All in all, Bane's advantages will probably make little difference in this battle.

What makes Cade so great?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
2. Yeah, he is faster. He's blitzed 3 high-status Imperial Knights while his health was diminished, and Imperial Knights are on average superior to Jedi.

He wasn't able to blitz Celeste Morne though. Blitzing these guys is good, but it doesn't put him above Bane. It doesn't even put him on the same level. Its one feat. Bane is consistently extremely fast and has great speed feats a plenty.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Bane's speed feat of deflecting a downpour of rain is an impressive speed feat--But considering people like Qui-Gon Jinn can create energy shields with their lightsaber,

Hyperbole.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
and Obi-Wan can deflect fire from over 20 shooters at once, this feat is not that abnormal.

When did he doe this? Also Bane was fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers to Zannah. Which is above this feat by quite a bit imo.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How many rain pellets would drop onto the surface of his body at once? Ten? Twenty? Well, considering that Bane could swat off several drops with a swing of his blade, this is not infeasible--Especially for someone who can blitz high level Jedi-like opponents.

Erm, a bit more than that I'd say. Lol. Zam did the math and it was really damn fast. And Bane was dodging individual drops while doing it and he didn't have the help of his precognition either. He'd be reacting to the rain by himself.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
3. Bane resisted Zannah's sorcery with a lot of trouble mind you, and had she attempted to cut him down while he was distracted instead of playing it safe, she might have been able to win the fight then and there. In all honesty, Krayt's/Wyyrlok's Dark Illusions are not that much weaker than Zannah's from what we've seen. Krayt utilized it effectively against a Skywalker for ****'s sake, and Wyyrlok utilized it effectively against him.

See what SIDIOUS 66 said. And Zannah didn't attack Bane because it was taking all her concentration to hold him. I seriously doubt Krayt would be able to do better and attack Bane while trying to affect him with his illusions.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
4. Yeah, it is pretty crucial to his victory, though it's possible he could win without it. Though, if he does what he did to Cade--Distracting Bane with Force Illusions, then grabbing him with his hands the fight is basically over. But assuming his illusions are dispelled first, Krayt can still use this ability to heal injuries like broken ribs (Zannah vs Bane anyone?), and gashes from Bane's lightsaber almost instantaneously. The fact that Krayt can shrug off most injuries (Though I don't think he can regenerate limbs or anything), is a distinct advantage over Bane. If Zannah had this ability, her victory might have been much smoother.

I believe this was called out in a previous thread as Krayt does not have to ability to regenerate instantly.

And the same can be said on Banes abilities. If he hits him with TK or lightning Krayt is not going to be getting up before he is finished off.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
5. I addressed this in #1. Most of these advantages are insignificant, and the ones that are significant are so close that it hardly makes a difference. (If Bane even has these advantages)

Better skill, better strength, better speed, better TK and vastly superior lightning don't seem insignificant to me. It indicates that he is all around a superior combatant.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Overall, I simply find Krayt to be more powerful than Bane.

In what area? No offense but I'm not seeing a superiority in any area in regards to power. The only advantages he has are in techniques Bane does not possess, which do not indicate more power.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Considering Zannah (minus her tendrils) was still able to hold her own and almost fight equally with Bane, Krayt should be able to as well. Considering that he's arguably a better duelist than her, arguably faster, arguably equivalent TK, and arguably similar powers with Force Illusions, but with greater strength, Lightning, Tutaminis, hand-to-hand martial prowess, and Dark Transfer on top of that.

Thats an awful lot of arguablies.


As an aside I'd be curious of Tempests opinion because of his new knowledge of Legacy, but his also new heracy regarding Bane makes me suspect I don't want to know.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd say its not insignificant for your opponent to suffer and be worn down more every time you clash sabers.

Didn't Krayt get pwned by Muur's lightning?

Banes lightning is among the most powerful in the mythos. He can disintegrate rock with it. Can Krayt truly block it?

Throwing rocks and shattering stone isn't as impressive as disintegration of metal with his power greatly diminished.

What makes Cade so great?

He wasn't able to blitz Celeste Morne though. Blitzing these guys is good, but it doesn't put him above Bane. It doesn't even put him on the same level. Its one feat. Bane is consistently extremely fast and has great speed feats a plenty.

Hyperbole.

When did he doe this? Also Bane was fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers to Zannah. Which is above this feat by quite a bit imo.

Erm, a bit more than that I'd say. Lol. Zam did the math and it was really damn fast. And Bane was dodging individual drops while doing it and he didn't have the help of his precognition either. He'd be reacting to the rain by himself.

See what SIDIOUS 66 said. And Zannah didn't attack Bane because it was taking all her concentration to hold him. I seriously doubt Krayt would be able to do better and attack Bane while trying to affect him with his illusions.

I believe this was called out in a previous thread as Krayt does not have to ability to regenerate instantly.

And the same can be said on Banes abilities. If he hits him with TK or lightning Krayt is not going to be getting up before he is finished off.

Better skill, better strength, better speed, better TK and vastly superior lightning don't seem insignificant to me. It indicates that he is all around a superior combatant.

In what area? No offense but I'm not seeing a superiority in any area in regards to power. The only advantages he has are in techniques Bane does not possess, which do not indicate more power.

Thats an awful lot of arguablies.

As an aside I'd be curious of Tempests opinion because of his new knowledge of Legacy, but his also new heracy regarding Bane makes me suspect I don't want to know.

1. Except that Krayt is close to as strong as DoE Bane. While Bane is still among the strongest characters in the mythos--He isn't exactly in his peak in DoE. And Krayt is pretty fit himself.

2. While insurmountably weakened, yeah. After his resurrection his power increases exponentially.

3. Since when can DoE Bane disintegrate rock with Force Lightning? Anyway, Zannah was able to effortlessly block Bane's lightning, and physically she's hardly comparable to Krayt. And with Tutaminis, he effortlessly absorbed Wyyrlok's lightning--Which was powerful enough to kill creatures on contact.

4. His power greatly diminished? Orbalisk Bane's power is far beyond that of DoE Bane. I'm not arguing RoT Bane against Krayt, here. This is DoE Bane, and he's done nothing of that tier without Orbalisks.

5. Force-Wise, he's thrown an X-wing sized starship at Darth Talon pretty early in the series, a ways before his peak. That should be an indicator of his power right there. Plus, you know, being able to single-handedly defeat dozens of Sith Lords, and by the end of the series easily beat powerful Sith like Talon and Stryfe. He's also got Dark Transfer and is hugely proficient with it. Krayt kinda threw him around the room with TK.

6. The raindrop feat is his only truly great speed feat. He has other decent ones, but none of them amount to blitzing 3 high-status Imperial Knights while severely weakened.

7. Not at all.

8. Well, under descriptions of Soresu in a sourcebook (I'll look for which one later) that a true master of the form could deflect fire from up to 30 shooters. And considering that Kenobi is "the master of Soresu" I would say that he's included in that grouping. Also--Bane's feat of having a dozen afterimages is done with his Orbalisks. Nice try, but DoE Bane hasn't committed a speed feat of this caliber against Zannah in their final battle.

9. No help from precognition? This isn't stated anywhere. I call BS. Still, it's impressive especially seeing that he's not primarily a Soresu master.

10. Well, that's what she believed. It even said in the novel that "she didn't want to take any chances". I think if she had attacked then she might have killed him. Perhaps not. Anyway, Wyyrlok was able to utilize this against a fully conscious Krayt. Though he was able to resist it in the end, Wyyrlok did have an opening, and lost it while chattering away. I believe Krayt's is of great enough caliber to at least be useful in this battle at some point or another.

11. I didn't say instantly. But considering Cade has healed moderate/minor wounds during combat, and that Krayt was stated to be an even greater master of Dark Transfer than he, I think that with any short pause in the battle he could heal something like a broken rib in the gap between clashes. And as I said, Bane's lightning isn't reaching Krayt, and considering that his TK attacks couldn't overwhelm Kas'im or Zannah I don't believe he could disable a powerful Sith Lord like Krayt with a simple TK attack so easily. A TK barrier could probably stop any immediate damage for the most part. However, there is no counter to a Dark Transfer assault.

12. Arguably better skill. He's not faster. He's probably better in TK, I'll give him that--Though Krayt's no slouch (refer to 5). And honestly, Bane's best non-orbalisk lightning feat is charring the flesh of a non-force sensative gaurd with his lightning. Krayt has instantly killed several Tu'kata beasts with a burst of lightning. I wouldn't say that's a vast difference.

13. Well, every area that Bane is superior to Krayt it's seemingly very close in power. (TK and FL, basically.) and Krayt's greater variety of powers that he's mastered to a high extent (Force Illusions, Dark Transfer) are powers that Bane cannot even utilize, and has little defense against. Plus, Krayt's feat of sending a signal to all in the galaxy that ever touched the Dark Side is a pretty immense power feat. A similar feat left Luke himself exhausted. And both mastered Essence Transfer, so I'm not going to factor that in. Bane's drain is practically inapplicable in combat according to the man himself.

14. Yeah, there is a lot of arguables. But what I'm saying is that Krayt is arguably close/even/better than Zannah in all of her areas of expertise, and on top of that he has talents that she is a novice of/doesn't even know about. She was practically an equal to DoE Bane (Slightly inferior, until Tendrils) and Krayt is better than her.

15. Unless he's read the final volume, I wouldn't want him to judge just yet. The final volume is where Krayt's "reborn" power is displayed. All of the other comics show an inferior, weakened version of Krayt.

I'd put Krayt ever so slightly above DoE Zannah after she killed Bane. (Since you know, Ro2 Sith gain a power boost after killing their masters?)

Not exactly. He engaged Muur in a lightning duel, then got a lightsaber through the neck, then got hit by Muur's lightning with his own added for good measure.

He did not lose in a direct lightning contest, he was stabbed from behind.




So powerful he can bring people back from death, shatterpoint, even when rusty threw a transport as a projectile, used TK to casually walk out of a *huge* explosions of a base he was in blowing up, that kind of stuff.



It depends on the wound. Dark Transfer has quickly healed some wounds, some take more effort. It turns a draw into a win, plus it can be used offensively to kill.



Nor could Vader, and Krayt fought a Morne who was over a century older and drawing on the Muur talisman.



It doesn't put him lower.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
5. Force-Wise, he's thrown an X-wing sized starship at Darth Talon pretty early in the series, a ways before his peak. That should be an indicator of his power right there. Plus, you know, being able to single-handedly defeat dozens of Sith Lords, and by the end of the series easily beat powerful Sith like Talon and Stryfe. He's also got Dark Transfer and is hugely proficient with it. Krayt kinda threw him around the room with TK.

Originally posted by Q99
So powerful he can bring people back from death, shatterpoint, even when rusty threw a transport as a projectile, used TK to casually walk out of a *huge* explosions of a base he was in blowing up, that kind of stuff.


I meant in terms of lightsaber skill.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I meant in terms of lightsaber skill.

In terms of lightsaber skill? In his era, he loses no one. He is hard-pressed by no-one. Wyyrlok, end-series Cade, and Morne-drawing-on-Muur can hold off for a bit, and of those Wyyrlok is the only one he wanted dead.



Notably, we see other force-users in the era who are quite skilled. Antares Draco killed 7 sith warriors mobbing him at once (after he'd already killed two minutes earlier), and he's less than Cade. There's a bit where we see five Sith cut down a Jedi master and a knight, and then Shado and Sazen slay them in moments. And there's a few other times when we see people who are two, maybe three good-sized tiers lower than Krayt kill force users- some who just scored kills themselves- like it's going out of fashion.

Urgh, no I meant what has Cade done that makes him so great in lightsaber skill! What makes Krayt beating Cade so great!


Ahahahaha facepalm

This might be a split actually.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Urgh, no I meant what has Cade done that makes him so great in lightsaber skill! What makes Krayt beating Cade so great!


Ahahahaha facepalm

He raped Talon pretty damn badly in the last volume. Stalemated/was beating Imperial Knight: Draco in a lightsaber duel, and the same Draco later defeated Roan Fel--Former Emperor of the Galaxy, and leader of the Imperial Knights. He's also cut his way through dozens of Sith on his way to Krayt, and pretty early in the series defeated Darth Nihl--Who in turn killed Kol Skywalker. It's needless to say that Cade was the best duelist in the galaxy sans Krayt by the last volume.

And Krayt isn't even hard pressed by him, from what we see in the comic. They duel for a couple pages, Krayt casually taking a clear advantage, then sent Cade crashing across the room with a TK attack.

Originally posted by Nephthys

When did he doe this? Also Bane was fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers to Zannah. Which is above this feat by quite a bit imo.
This was under the effects of Orbalisks. Considering DoE Zannah was able to fight Bane, it seems likely he couldn't display that power and speed without the Orbalisks.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Erm, a bit more than that I'd say. Lol. Zam did the math and it was really damn fast. And Bane was dodging individual drops while doing it and he didn't have the help of his precognition either. He'd be reacting to the rain by himself.
There's water drops every 1-2 inch of distance between the next drop, but Bane doesn't know art of the small in order to fit through that gap.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Urgh, no I meant what has Cade done that makes him so great in lightsaber skill! What makes Krayt beating Cade so great!


I suppose the easiest way to put it is, Cade fights... pretty much everyone.


I mean, here's a list of his major opponents:
Darth Talon, Darth Nihl, Darth Stryfe, Wolf Sazen, Shado Vao, Antares Draco, Ganner Krieg, Darth Maladi

And I'm probably forgetting one or two others.


He's stronger than any of them, and all of whom, in turn, have been in impressive other fights, either killing other masters, defeating large numbers of force users at once in saber, or similar. He's even done well in two-on-one fights against people on that list.


Most of the featured Jedi/Sith/Imperial Knights in Legacy are demonstrated to be very good with a saber, have feats to back it up, and beat just about everyone not on said list, often good quantities of everyone not on that list. I think probably 4~5 of the above have double-digit lightsaber kill counts, talking purely on panel fights.




Plus Cade's also killed a good deal of minor sith himself- his time between the end of the main series and War is literally as a Sith-hunter, collecting Sith bounties for the Hutts. Including ones who mention having killed Jedi masters, plural, before.

NewGuy, IIRC, you gave Krayt an edge over Dooku as well. So my question is, who would you consider to be the better combatant out of Dooku and DOE Bane?

I think I'd go with Dooku, though I'm not positive.

Legacy is fairly easy to rate internally. Cade fights many characters, and a lot of these characters also fight each other for cross-reference. It's one of the longer comics, and the three-way conflict results in more fights than most. 80% of the major Jedi/Sith/Imperial Knights are in a web of having fought each other.

Krayt seems to be the only one who achieved real immortality...Temporarily..

Vitiate.

Darth Bane after a decent fight, IMO. Sidious regarded Bane and Plagueis as among his strongest predecessors which should mean something.

I would not say that this contest is utterly in favor of Bane though; Krayt may have a chance under some circumstances at minimum.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Bane after a decent fight, IMO. Sidious regarded Bane and Plagueis as among his strongest predecessors which should mean something.



I think it mainly means that Bane's from a time when he could act openly and thus had the most actions to talk about, and Plagueis is the one he had direct experience with. The point was to build strength over time, after all.



Darth Krayt worked directly from the learning of one of top the Hundred Year Darkness Sith, and they were massive badasses. Which should also mean something.

The point was not to simply become more powerful. Bane was more powerful than any Jedi in his era. Or any two Jedi in his era. If all they needed were personal strength Banes time was the best time for the RoT Sith. There was no Yoda or Mace Windu to stand in their way.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The point was not to simply become more powerful. Bane was more powerful than any Jedi in his era. Or any two Jedi in his era. If all they needed were personal strength Banes time was the best time for the RoT Sith. There was no Yoda or Mace Windu to stand in their way.

Though I don't think the 'any two' would've been true pre-Thought Bomb.

But interesting concept- most RoT sith being stronger in some other fashion, only growing back to the high levels of personal strength towards the end.

Hmm, perhaps. Lord Hoth never struck me as all that great though. Not better than Raskta or anything. Even Farfalla was described as having perfect lightsaber form and Bane beat him ass pretty easily.

I think its a concept with some merit. Zannah wasn't conventionally strong in battle but was powerful in Sorcery. Cognus was strong not because of any noted affinity with the Force (That I know of. I don't believe her power was stated as exceptional) but rather because of a unique ability she possessed that weakened others. And Millennial possessed advanced precognitive ability. Plagueis himself expanded in other areas like his midichlorian manipulation. Then came Sidious who was both conventionally strong and apparently possessed the same ability as Cognus(?) and had impressive precog, seemingly possessing all the strengths of the previous Sith.

Of course theres other aspects I'm talking about, in terms of destabilizing the Republic, building power bases and contacts, amassing agents, unbalancing the Force etc.

We never saw him fight, so it's hard to tell.

Also, there could've been other Jedi Lords there who were skilled but just not mentioned- they had Kaan cornered, and Kaan had all the remaining strong Sith with him. I didn't get the impression the Jedi army was that much bigger but it was winning.

Vitiate's immortality was predicated upon the millions of souls he "ate" during his ritual. Krayt went from old to young, sick to healed, same body, everything.

What about Set Harth?

Originally posted by Q99
We never saw him fight, so it's hard to tell.

Also, there could've been other Jedi Lords there who were skilled but just not mentioned- they had Kaan cornered, and Kaan had all the remaining strong Sith with him. I didn't get the impression the Jedi army was that much bigger but it was winning.

We do. Just briefly.

Could've doesn't amount to much imo.

Considering how few Jedi we know about in the era, and how many of their best warriors were there at the final site to be killed, it doesn't strike me as unlikely, though.



He used clones and essence transfer.

Originally posted by Q99
Considering how few Jedi we know about in the era, and how many of their best warriors were there at the final site to be killed, it doesn't strike me as unlikely, though.


He used clones and essence transfer.

But we already saw their best in Raskta. I'm pretty sure theres no one better than her. And without Battle Meditation Bane could probably beat even two of her.

I know. Does that stop him from counting or something?

Originally posted by Nephthys
But we already saw their best in Raskta. I'm pretty sure theres no one better than her. And without Battle Meditation Bane could probably beat even two of her.

Oh, I really doubt that! Battle Meditation helps, but not *that* much, and she was enjoying her battle. Two of her would've won.

And just because she was the best doesn't mean there weren't others close.






It's a lesser form of 'immortality.' Anyone with essence transfer and a checkbook can do it and it's vulnerable to mundane sabotage.


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There's also Darth Andeddu. It requires his holocron, his original body, and a force user stupid enough to put the former on the latter. The life force then drains from the force user and reanimates his body. More reliant on outside props than some, but it brought him back after something like 7k years.