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Battle takes place on a republic flagship, who wins?

1. Sabers

2. Blasters

3. Hand-to-Hand

4. Vibrosword

5. Force

6. All-Out

Krayt all pretty easily.

Oh yes, without a doubt. Armored or not.

Korr vs A'Sharad Hett (i.e. pre-Krayt) is a better fight.

Battle takes place on a republic flagship, who wins?

1. Sabers - Jaden Kor, Kor has fought and beat more duelists + sith alchemy. Hett will push him all the way though.

2. Blasters - Jaden -better arsenal, actually uses tech and not just force powers.

3. Hand-to-Hand - Kor again, ataru practitioner uses his fists more.

4. Vibrosword - Hett takes this, tusken side will give him a slight edge.

5. Force - Current Krayt would take this, except he drained himself fighting abeloth and expended a lot of energy vibrating past his comeupings.

6. All-Out - Kor, if its current. Kor is fresher.

Originally posted by Allankles
Battle takes place on a republic flagship, who wins?

1. Sabers - Jaden Kor, Kor has fought and beat more duelists + sith alchemy. Hett will push him all the way though.

2. Blasters - Jaden -better arsenal, actually uses tech and not just force powers.

3. Hand-to-Hand - Kor again, ataru practitioner uses his fists more.

4. Vibrosword - Hett takes this, tusken side will give him a slight edge.

5. Force - Current Krayt would take this, except he drained himself fighting abeloth and expended a lot of energy vibrating past his comeupings.

6. All-Out - Kor, if its current. Kor is fresher.

Korr*

Krayt takes sabers bro. Defeated more impressive opponents definitely.

Beg to differ. Kor has sabers locked, is actually the best saber tech in the order.

prove it.

His first lightsaber was made out of pure tech, hyper space technology actually. So... yeah, he be a bit different with the sabersz.

Originally posted by Allankles
His first lightsaber was made out of pure tech, hyper space technology actually. So... yeah, he be a bit different with the sabersz.

Proof or GTFO.

Apart from that, Krayt stomps him into the ground.

The crystal wouldn't be hard to get, a lot of tech in SW is powered by crystals, but the power source, hyper space tech, he had no other available source to use. It's basically, a-one-of-a-kind lightsaber.
A spacer's lightsaber.

Originally posted by Allankles
The crystal wouldn't be hard to get, a lot of tech in SW is powered by crystals, but the power source, hyper space tech, he had no other available source to use. It's basically, a-one-of-a-kind lightsaber.
A spacer's lightsaber.

Riiiight, that would be great an all, if.. You know.. You provided proof it was powered by some sort of 1-of-a-kind Hyperspace tech which somehow makes him better at fighting with a lightsaber than someone like Krayt, who has SHOWN he can take down people fairly in a saber duel.

Eeeh... As has been said... Kor was a saber prodigy, his dueling record speaks for itself.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me all about this dueling record that speaks for itself.

Krayt > Jaden in Sabers/Force/All Out.

Krayt is just straight out better in every way.

Originally posted by Allankles
Eeeh... As has been said... Kor was a saber prodigy, his dueling record speaks for itself.

Uh, he's good and all, but Krayt's literally the best of his era, and was something of a saber prodigy himself back when he was young.

Kor is one-of Luke's era's good duelists, but he can't stack up to Krayt's experience.

I mean, I don't see Kor doing something like replicating Krayt's fight against the Imperial Knights. Surrounded by the Emperor's four personal bodyguards, at least one and possibly all masters (but even if they weren't masters, the other three would still be hand-picked knights), and he just slaughtered them in two seconds.

The only ones that matter is Sabers, Combat, and Force. Besides in a physical fight, Krayt will simply kill Korr by touching him, anyway Krayt wins all categories fairly easily.

Krayt is good but is outdated. He's got nothing on Kor.

Originally posted by Allankles
Krayt is good but is outdated. He's got nothing on Kor.

Lmao.

Based on what, exactly? You've given us nothing but "Korr's a saberz pr0digy" and that means squat. Prove up. Krayt actually has good stuff to his name, give us something as impressive as Krayt's done.

Krayt beats Korr armed with a wifflebat. Korr is good, but he is no match for Krayt.

As I said, I beg to differ. I think he's powerful but he's outdated, he is still stuck in the Vong Era. He better step up his arsenal before bringing his pms that way.And worse, he's a fallen jedi with a poor motivation for falling - the kind of guy just beggin to get his butt kicked.
And current Krayt would indeed get his butt kicked, u know 44 aby Krayt after being fatigued with the Abeloth issue.

Originally posted by Allankles
As I said, I beg to differ. I think he's powerful but he's outdated, he is still stuck in the Vong Era. He better step up his arsenal before bringing his pms that way.

You might like if he, say, removed his vong implants, gained a new uber-technique, got more powerful and generally stepped up his game in every respect?

Yeah, that sure would be neat, huh.

Originally posted by Petrus
Lmao.

Based on what, exactly? You've given us nothing but "Korr's a saberz pr0digy" and that means squat. Prove up. Krayt actually has good stuff to his name, give us something as impressive as Krayt's done.

His whole career... From year one to current has been full of good work, unlike Krayt who gets his butt kicked and gets himself zombified, because his primitive tusken ways can't make him think past morbid.

Give me a break, Kor is a weapons master peeps. He's going to be challenged by this guy but that's about it. The guy makes himself a loser and expects to get respect from Kor, please!

Originally posted by Nephthys
You might like if he, say, removed his vong implants, gained a new uber-technique, got more powerful and generally stepped up his game in every respect?

Yeah, that sure would be neat, huh.

Basically, yes. Krayt should move on, he's presently just a morbid sado masochist. The kind of guy Kor would annhilate, especially after Krayt pulled that stunt on him 3 years ago.

I... don't how how to talk to you.

Originally posted by Allankles
Basically, yes. Krayt should move on, he's presently just a morbid sado masochist. The kind of guy Kor would annhilate, especially after Krayt pulled that stunt on him 3 years ago.

Hmm mmm. Still, I think that if Krayt DID do that stuff, he could probably beat Korr quite easily.

Originally posted by Allankles
As I said, I beg to differ. I think he's powerful but he's outdated, he is still stuck in the Vong Era. He better step up his arsenal

His arsenal of force lightning, TK, dark transfer, force illusions, shatterpoints, force drain...

I'm curious where you think there is to expand to!




Uh, I *think* fighting Abeloth like that would be beyond Korr!

Kor and co. already know how to deal with vong warrior caste armor, and Kor has better armor since he's pals with D'Aye Azur Jamin, a fellow former apprentice of Katarn's. So, even in the armor stakes, he's got squat on Kor.

Originally posted by Allankles
Basically, yes.

The joke is he did just that.

Originally posted by Allankles
Kor and co. already know how to deal with vong warrior caste armor, and Kor has better armor since he's pals with D'Aye Azur Jamin, a fellow former apprentice of Katarn's. So, even in the armor stakes, he's got squat on Kor.


Krayt discarded his armor when he overcame his Vong growths and revived himself from death, a process that greatly increased his power.


And 'has fought people in armor' hardly says much when facing a much more powerful foe in armor

Originally posted by Q99
His arsenal of force lightning, TK, dark transfer, force illusions, shatterpoints, force drain...

I'm curious where you think there is to expand to!

Everyone has a force arsenal, but not everyone has a alternative weapons and tech arsenal. Not everyone has tesseracts, not everyone has weapons mods, and lightsaber mods.




Originally posted by Q99
Uh, I *think* fighting Abeloth like that would be beyond Korr!

Considering Kor fought a not too dissimilar Rakatan force entity designated 'Mother' and prevailed, I beg to differ there as well!

Originally posted by Q99
The joke is he did just that.




Krayt discarded his armor when he overcame his Vong growths and revived himself from death, a process that greatly increased his power.


And 'has fought people in armor' hardly says much when facing a much more powerful foe in armor



Btw, you do know that Jaden Korr was 'killed' by Iteration, a One Sith agent, right?

That was after he was killed first. He didn't do it on his own volution, the mark of the loser mad warrior.

Originally posted by Allankles

Considering Kor fought and not too dissimilar Rakatan force entity designated Mother and prevailed, I beg to differ there as well!


Aside from Abeloth being one of the most powerful force entities of all time, Jaden Korr *didn't* beat Mother, but rather realized his team couldn't win directly so blew up the station instead.




Originally posted by Allankles
That was after he was killed first. He didn't do it on his own volution, the mark of the loser mad warrior.

He did it entirely on his own volution, he only did it at that point because he gained the tools to do so maybe half-an-hour before. That, and being pushed to extremes tends to bring out the strongest effort.

Also, Jaden didn't chose to be transfered into a clone of his own violation, his apprentice did it because a One Sith agent mortally wounded him.

This is hilarious by the way.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is hilarious by the way.

Yea, it really is.

Originally posted by Q99
Aside from Abeloth being one of the most powerful force entities of all time, Jaden Korr *didn't* beat Mother, but rather realized his team couldn't win directly so blew up the station instead.

Which makes her appear more powerful, not less!






Originally posted by Q99
He did it entirely on his own volution, he only did it at that point because he gained the tools to do so maybe half-an-hour before. That, and being pushed to extremes tends to bring out the strongest effort.

Eeh! The main excuse for his fall was always closely tied to his embrace of pain and his forcible merger with crab armor by Vergere and her goons. So... his clingin on to his pride at this disgraceful treatment was a bit much...to say the least.

Tres PMSy, basically. He would have been cooler if he was more like Jerec, and would have made more sense too.

Originally posted by Q99
Also, Jaden didn't chose to be transfered into a clone of his own violation, his apprentice did it because a One Sith agent mortally wounded him.

Which is not some barge of honor or some knock on Kor's power and ability - he went into the event blind and spare and suffered for it being the only Jedi there...it was extremely exhausting, basically a glorified assassination marathon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hmm mmm. Still, I think that if Krayt DID do that stuff, he could probably beat Korr quite easily.

Well at some points post 14 ABY maybe, sometimes even definitely. But he would have been getting physically weaker because of real aging and would have been physical weak by 44 ABY balancing things.

So that cooler version may have been at Palps level in power, but weaker as a fighter currently.

Now the vong crab armor, made him morbid and his time stasis deal makes him backward in terms of techniques and tech and many other things besides - In essence less cool than he would otherwise be.

Originally posted by Allankles
Which makes her appear more powerful, not less!



No it doesn't. Abeloth was a galaxy-wide threat who was faced down by force users stronger than Jaden's team.

Mother was dangerous, but a smaller threat and not nearly as cosmic in scope as Abeloth.




He'd already trained with a Sith holocron for decades before that. His fall was a desire for power to defeat his enemies. The embrace just put him over the edge and gave him the vision of the One Sith.




And yet you criticize Krayt for facing a legendary Sith in the body of a skilled KotoR Jedi master, a Imperial Knight master ambush, and Darth Wyyrlok.




Physically? He looked maybe in his 50s-60s. Less so than Dooku, and we know how little that held Dooku back. He did have force life extension techniques besides stasis.



Skill doesn't wear out with age And even when in stasis, he was in telepathic contact with his One Sith, who he had regularly seek out new techniques and sith knowledge for him.


It's not like he's an ancient sith who *just* woke up ala Darth Andeddu. He's a Sith who'd regularly wake up, train students, and update himself before going back into a healing stasis again.



And the vong armor, while it affected him, did not prevent him from still being strong enough to take on very powerful foes. The main drawback is mostly how much recovery time he needs after, but he still got into a prolonged fight with Morne/Muur, still slew four Imperial Knights at once, etc..

Originally posted by Allankles
Well at some points post 14 ABY maybe, sometimes even definitely. But he would have been getting physically weaker because of real aging and would have been physical weak by 44 ABY balancing things.

So that cooler version may have been at Palps level in power, but weaker as a fighter currently.

Now the vong crab armor, made him morbid and his time stasis deal makes him backward in terms of techniques and tech and many other things besides - In essence less cool than he would otherwise be.

I'm sorry, please step out and learn before you start comparing Mother to Abeloth and spouting useless nonsense without any sort of proof.

Krayt is the strongest Sith of his era, the fact he could fight alongside Luke against Abeloth shows that he's pretty damn beasty.

And for the love of Yoda, it's Korr. With two R's.

Krayt > Jaden in every single way.
Jaden loses. Jaden loses hard. There is no alternative.

Next you'll be saying that Jaden can top Luke.

Originally posted by Q99
No it doesn't. Abeloth was a galaxy-wide threat who was faced down by force users stronger than Jaden's team.

Mother was dangerous, but a smaller threat and not nearly as cosmic in scope as Abeloth.

Mother was a smaller threat because she was defeated early by Kor, 3 years previous to Abeloth. She just got taken out, before she could become a thorn. But she also had galaxy level power, since she could siphon the dreams and thoughts of sentients across the galaxy. And was only trapped by the Rakatan station itself, since it would be the practice of the Rakata to trap force entities and use their power to drive their machines.

Originally posted by Q99
No it doesn't. Abeloth was a galaxy-wide threat who was faced down by force users stronger than Jaden's team.

Mother was dangerous, but a smaller threat and not nearly as cosmic in scope as Abeloth.




Originally posted by Q99
He'd already trained with a Sith holocron for decades before that. His fall was a desire for power to defeat his enemies. The embrace just put him over the edge and gave him the vision of the One Sith.

Eeh! Excuses to hide that he was a wanabe Emperor.




Originally posted by Q99
And yet you criticize Krayt for facing a legendary Sith in the body of a skilled KotoR Jedi master, a Imperial Knight master ambush, and Darth Wyyrlok.

The type of people that Kor likes to spar, good matches those... good matches.




Originally posted by Q99
Physically? He looked maybe in his 50s-60s. Less so than Dooku, and we know how little that held Dooku back. He did have force life extension techniques besides stasis.

Jedi naturally have that yeah, one of the hallmarks of the Jedi actually, life extension.



Originally posted by Q99
Skill doesn't wear out with age And even when in stasis, he was in telepathic contact with his One Sith, who he had regularly seek out new techniques and sith knowledge for him.


It's not like he's an ancient sith who *just* woke up ala Darth Andeddu. He's a Sith who'd regularly wake up, train students, and update himself before going back into a healing stasis again.

Yeah we already know he ain't as backward as Andeddu, but he's still backward.



Originally posted by Q99
And the vong armor, while it affected him, did not prevent him from still being strong enough to take on very powerful foes. The main drawback is mostly how much recovery time he needs after, but he still got into a prolonged fight with Morne/Muur, still slew four Imperial Knights at once, etc..

It also overrides his higher functions from time to time, to self preserve. So he needs help, basically is what we're saying here. And if he doesn't need help, then he should show it with his actions.

So Jaden took it out when it was weak and did so indirectly. All the more example of the difference.

Krayt took out Abeloth while she was much stronger than Mother, by tag-teaming with Luke and handling things face to face.



Second most successful Sith in terms of making oneself galactic empire.

Your standards are dumb



Korr's never sparred with anyone like Muur, or Wyyrlok And just a reminder, that was Krayt facing all of them, not separately.



Then Jaden Korr must be really backwards, because Krayt is up to date on techniques of his era and later.

I'm not sure why you think 'backwards' matters, but Krayt's much more modern than Jaden, who's from many years before.



What are you talk about? It doesn't take over his higher functions. If he stopped struggling against it, it'd do so, but it's (obviously) never succeeded in doing so or that'd be it, no more Krayt.



So long story short, Krayt's a more up-to-date force user than Jaden who's taken on stronger foes, more foes, has a larger arsenal, is more experienced, and even had one of his agents have Jaden killed once.

Originally posted by Q99
So Jaden took it out when it was weak and did so indirectly. All the more example of the difference.

Krayt took out Abeloth while she was much stronger than Mother, by tag-teaming with Luke and handling things face to face.


Mother's raw force abilities are actually on the same level or beyond Abeloth's, she's just not as cunning or as mobile as the Abeloth entity. It's actually easier to duel Abeloth than Mother, given how they use their gifts.



Originally posted by Q99
Second most successful Sith in terms of making oneself galactic empire.

His Empire is a joke, which is why it will not survive future retcons.


Originally posted by Q99
Your standards are dumb


Actually my standards are based on the guiding principles that inspired the Jedi and SW in the first place, these fights are fights Krayt loses, because he doesn't understand the depth of a life. He
has no concept it would seem, of the higher Jedi principles.


Originally posted by Q99
Korr's never sparred with anyone like Muur, or Wyyrlok And just a reminder, that was Krayt facing all of them, not separately.

They're about the same level as those for whom he has...So



Originally posted by Q99


I'm not sure why you think 'backwards' matters, but Krayt's much more modern than Jaden, who's from many years before.

Actually Krayt is older than Anakin Skywalker, and should have died a long time ago or done something to help with the growing no.
of crisis, he's basically a wannabe Emperor - doesn't have the
wisdom for the position and shouldn't even bother, get in line
or step down - The Jedi are done with his fake outrage.



Originally posted by Q99
What are you talk about? It doesn't take over his higher functions. If he stopped struggling against it, it'd do so, but it's (obviously) never succeeded in doing so or that'd be it, no more Krayt.

That's exactly what he would want if he was sane, no more Krayt!

He'd actually have the chance to become cooler and more powerful actually.



Originally posted by Q99
So long story short, Krayt's a more up-to-date force user than Jaden who's taken on stronger foes, more foes, has a larger arsenal, is more experienced, and even had one of his agents have Jaden killed once.

Having Jaden's body killed means that he is a bit of murderer and considering Jaden had only brought robes and blade to the fight against several force wielding adepts, it's not a surprise that the assassination marathon got to him.

What it means is that Krayt's Sith got lucky once, and blew their opportunity anyway. They were given a shot to rule, and didn't know how to, let the Jedi do their work - let the professionals do
their job.

Originally posted by Q99
So Jaden took it out when it was weak and did so indirectly. All the more example of the difference.

Krayt took out Abeloth while she was much stronger than Mother, by tag-teaming with Luke and handling things face to face.



Second most successful Sith in terms of making oneself galactic empire.

Your standards are dumb



Korr's never sparred with anyone like Muur, or Wyyrlok And just a reminder, that was Krayt facing all of them, not separately.



Then Jaden Korr must be really backwards, because Krayt is up to date on techniques of his era and later.

I'm not sure why you think 'backwards' matters, but Krayt's much more modern than Jaden, who's from many years before.



What are you talk about? It doesn't take over his higher functions. If he stopped struggling against it, it'd do so, but it's (obviously) never succeeded in doing so or that'd be it, no more Krayt.



So long story short, Krayt's a more up-to-date force user than Jaden who's taken on stronger foes, more foes, has a larger arsenal, is more experienced, and even had one of his agents have Jaden killed once. Isn't Iteration a clone of Jaden, and from his Padawan transferring his memories into it, he effectively BECOMES Jaden... Wait... No, by that Logic, the Starkiller Clone would be Galen Marek, so I just contradicted myself! Yay! c:

The clone of Jaden died essentially, its identity was erased by Kor's memories and consciousness and its life essence became fused with Kor's older spirit.

It was a non-force sensitive One Sith agent who inflicted the telling wounds, actually.



His Empire covers most of the galaxy. "Is a joke" seems to equal "you don't like it but don't actually have arguments."

And of course the new movies won't use it- they won't use Thrawn's little attempt either, or Clone Palpatine's, and you can bet the EU sith from the past aren't going to be mentioned. Nothing EU gets carried over. As long as the current EU goes on, though, it's going to stay in and stay one of the most impressive Sith conquests of all time.



He's a sith, so duh? Sith lose track of higher Jedi principles. Just like Vader and Revan and Dooku did.




You keep saying 'wannabe'. He was an Emperor. He succeeded in conquering most of the galaxy. One of the most successful in history.


Do you have any argument besides not liking him?




Not without learning self-revival first... which he did do, at which point he did revive (but he would've increased in power even without the revival, learning the techniques was key).


You don't seem to know much about the character or how 'death' works.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Battle takes place on a republic flagship, who wins?

1. Sabers

2. Blasters

3. Hand-to-Hand

4. Vibrosword

5. Force

6. All-Out
You forgot to mention following:

07. Fists

08. Kicks

09. Pillows

10. Sticks

11. Farts

Originally posted by Allankles
Mother's raw force abilities are actually on the same level or beyond Abeloth's, she's just not as cunning or as mobile as the Abeloth entity. It's actually easier to duel Abeloth than Mother, given how they use their gifts.





His Empire is a joke, which is why it will not survive future retcons.




Actually my standards are based on the guiding principles that inspired the Jedi and SW in the first place, these fights are fights Krayt loses, because he doesn't understand the depth of a life. He
has no concept it would seem, of the higher Jedi principles.




They're about the same level as those for whom he has...So





Actually Krayt is older than Anakin Skywalker, and should have died a long time ago or done something to help with the growing no.
of crisis, he's basically a wannabe Emperor - doesn't have the
wisdom for the position and shouldn't even bother, get in line
or step down - The Jedi are done with his fake outrage.





That's exactly what he would want if he was sane, no more Krayt!

He'd actually have the chance to become cooler and more powerful actually.





Having Jaden's body killed means that he is a bit of murderer and considering Jaden had only brought robes and blade to the fight against several force wielding adepts, it's not a surprise that the assassination marathon got to him.

What it means is that Krayt's Sith got lucky once, and blew their opportunity anyway. They were given a shot to rule, and didn't know how to, let the Jedi do their work - let the professionals do
their job.
No Rakatan is on Abeloth's level.
The Ones are the GOD'S of the star wars universe, The Father himself is the second strongest force-user that ever existed, first would've been full-potential Anakin.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
No Rakatan is on Abeloth's level.
The Ones are the GOD'S of the star wars universe, The Father himself is the second strongest force-user that ever existed, first would've been full-potential Anakin.


Yes. No mere old creature is going to be on a level of a cosmic entity tied to the balance of the force.


Centerpoint Station and the Maw- a shell of black holes- was made to contain her.

Mother was just on a much smaller scale all around.

How is this even a debate? Krayt wouldn't even need a stick to take down Korr. Krayt's force abilities defeat Korr totally, alone. Don't even start with lightsabers.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
No Rakatan is on Abeloth's level.
The Ones are the GOD'S of the star wars universe, The Father himself is the second strongest force-user that ever existed, first would've been full-potential Anakin.

She's not a Rakatan, but a force entity trapped in a Rakatan station for millenia, gathering force energy from the dark side, and siphoning energy and intelligence galaxy wide by sifting the dreams and thoughts of sentient life in the galaxy.

So powerwise, she was on the same scale as Abeloth, but was actually more primordial in her thinking, making her a smaller threat than Abeloth.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes. No mere old creature is going to be on a level of a cosmic entity tied to the balance of the force.


Centerpoint Station and the Maw- a shell of black holes- was made to contain her.

Mother was just on a much smaller scale all around.

Mother was trapped by the Rakatan similarly, since the Rakatan's were different from the Ones, and actually overthrew the Ones as top dogs when they got their numbers up in the Infinite Empire.

So the Rakatan's force based tech is a match for One tech, since both are ancient races of celestials - one older, the other younger (Rakatans were a second born race, more physically tied).

Originally posted by Q99
It was a non-force sensitive One Sith agent who inflicted the telling wounds, actually.



His Empire covers most of the galaxy. "Is a joke" seems to equal "you don't like it but don't actually have arguments."

And of course the new movies won't use it- they won't use Thrawn's little attempt either, or Clone Palpatine's, and you can bet the EU sith from the past aren't going to be mentioned. Nothing EU gets carried over. As long as the current EU goes on, though, it's going to stay in and stay one of the most impressive Sith conquests of all time.



He's a sith, so duh? Sith lose track of higher Jedi principles. Just like Vader and Revan and Dooku did.




You keep saying 'wannabe'. He was an Emperor. He succeeded in conquering most of the galaxy. One of the most successful in history.


Do you have any argument besides not liking him?




Not without learning self-revival first... which he did do, at which point he did revive (but he would've increased in power even without the revival, learning the techniques was key).


You don't seem to know much about the character or how 'death' works.

His so-called-Empire is a joke, it's culture, structure and purpose are a joke - vis-a-vis, retarded.

He's just a new school Darth Bane, big, strong, fast but ultimately shallow and thus a failure.

Originally posted by Q99
It was a non-force sensitive One Sith agent who inflicted the telling wounds, actually.


Eeh! Nyss Nenn is actually force sensitive.

'Cept for leading an order for a century and the galaxy for a decade in what is a giant success in the history of the sith.

I mean, do you consider every Sith less successful than Krayt a failure? Because that's a very, very long list.




Yea, you're just repeating 'joke' without being able to back it up with squat. Which, ironically, makes you a joke.



Originally posted by Allankles
Eeh! Nyss Nenn is actually force sensitive.

Not according to wookiepedia, they just had their species' natural abilities.

Jaden hasn't dueled anyone of note in lightsaber combat. Krayt owns him.

Originally posted by Q99
'Cept for leading an order for a century and the galaxy for a decade in what is a giant success in the history of the sith.

I mean, do you consider every Sith less successful than Krayt a failure? Because that's a very, very long list.




Yea, you're just repeating 'joke' without being able to back it up with squat. Which, ironically, makes you a joke.





Not according to wookiepedia, they just had their species' natural abilities.

His Sith are a joke and lack vision.
His vision is a travesty, his motivations are phony, and he's about to become irrelevant.

In a war with the Jedi and in a battle with Kor, he'd lose
because unlike Marka Ragnos he doesn't have even a scrap of the moral law to back him up, but the Jedi do and all of it.

So no, Krayt refused to respect the Return of the Jedi, and will fall!

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Jaden hasn't dueled anyone of note in lightsaber combat. Krayt owns him.

Sceptre wielding Tavion, Alora, Sith Spirit of Marka Ragnos, plenty of Jedi in sparring at the academy, One Sith agents,...

Krayt's really just a follower compared to Jaden as a duelist, Kor is actually also more inventive.

Originally posted by Allankles
Sceptre wielding Tavion, Alora, Sith Spirit of Marka Ragnos, plenty of Jedi in sparring at the academy, One Sith agents,...

Krayt's really just a follower compared to Jaden as a duelist, Kor is actually also more inventive.

Dude. Just stop. Krayt stomps Jaden. There is no way he wins against Krayt. Krayt is far beyond his league, no matter what you think.

Kor's skills with a lightsaber are demonstratably better than Krayt
it is Krayt who has never been shown to be anything special beyond
"above average", Kor is the legend here by demonstrated evidence.

So Krayt needs to step up, but since he doesn't even know the the principles of the Art of War, what do you expect.

Kor by KO, via shockboxing and ataru.

Krayt has shown better feats with a saber than Jaden ever has.

Krayt has better showings with the Force.

Korr isn't a legend. He's an above average Jedi in a time of legends, like Luke, Katarn and Jacen/Jaina. He's not that good!

The Art of War has nothing to do with this. I've read it, has Jaden? I don't think he has. Unless, you know, China exists in a galaxy far, far away.

Stop blowing Jaden and get over being his fanboy. Jaden gets stomped.

Krayt doesn't know squat - and Jaden is actually the preeminent fighter of his generations Jedi, not some follower.

And yes an Emperor would know the principles of the art of war,
they're universal.
Asharad was always a simple warrior, gifted but not especially known for inventiveness.
Kor is actually a tech geek and a fighter, scary combo dogg!

This is KRAYT.

HE IS BETTER THAN JADEN. Fact.

That's not a fact, and never was....so

Hah! That is so dumb.

Krayt's vision conquered the galaxy and shook it to it's core, and had lasting effect.


You must really think little of Ragnos if you don't even think Krayt's massive impact counts, because Ragnos had almost none in comparison.

Ragnos ruled a tiny empire not a fraction as mighty as Krayt's with not even close to the impact, and you're arguing a sith because of 'moral law'? I don't think you know what being a 'sith' is about ^^ Darth Krayt accomplished more than Ragnos and his immediate successors combined.








To go roughly chronologically,
Aurra Sing (as a padawan!), Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, ship full of Vong (unarmed), Abeloth, Celeste Morne, Karness Muur, Darth Wyyrlok, Cade Skywalker.


Your idea of who's not 'above average' is laughable ^^




Originally posted by Allankles
And yes an Emperor would know the principles of the art of war,
they're universal.

So Krayt knows it in spades.





So your argument is that Korr is a better... mechanic....?


Also, you do know that A'Sharad spent decades operating in space as a solo bounty hunter with a bionic arm, right? He had a very varied life.



Do you actually know anything about Krayt besides that he used to be A'Sharad? You don't seem to have a clue as to what he's done as A'Sharad or Krayt.




No he's not. He's a master, but Luke's the most preeminent, followed by Kyle, Saba, the Solos, Corran, and the other top of the council people.

There really are no words. Next you'll be saying Jaden can beat Yoda, or Sidious.

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
There really are no words. Next you'll be saying Jaden can beat Yoda, or Sidious.


Apparently he thinks conquering the galaxy doesn't count for much, so dissing Sidious would be par for the course. Sidious lacked 'moral law' after all!

Originally posted by Q99
Apparently he thinks conquering the galaxy doesn't count for much, so dissing Sidious would be par for the course. Sidious lacked 'moral law' after all!

I'll address the rest of your points in due time. But yes and no.
Palpatine held the moral law as a Senator and was actually at one point, a messiah type figure for the Jedi as well, as in a force adept leader who knows his head from his ass as a leader.

So Palps also went through a turning and a change of heart and lost the moral law.

Which is why by the time of the end of the clone wars, he had completely
fallen, become a base caricature of his former self, which is why his
Imperial regime lasted only about 20-30 years.

He became paranoid of the Jedi too soon, basically is what happened to Palpatine of Naboo, but he was already rotten before he met the Jedi, so... it was also too late to help him, in a sense!

The size of an Empire does not determine its significance.
Palpatines Empire was too multifaceted for one man or military order to rule and it fell in on itself.
So it is with Krayt's, and Krayt's is more primitive, in a future time, so it's fall was written in the stars, so to speak, and its retcon was inevitable.

So, in a fight, because that's what this forum is about..

Jaden or Sidious in a fight?

Make the thread, set up the scenario that means prep or not, then dudes can talk.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t587846.html

Enjoy.

Originally posted by Allankles
The size of an Empire does not determine its significance.
Palpatines Empire was too multifaceted for one man or military order to rule and it fell in on itself.
So it is with Krayt's, and Krayt's is more primitive, in a future time, so it's fall was written in the stars, so to speak, and its retcon was inevitable.

Krayt's is more advanced. Why do you keep saying more primitive when it's later and more forward?


And you also keep saying retcon- it's in exactly the same danger as Thrawn, Clone Palps, etc..


You keep asserting things without explaining yourself, and saying other things that have no relevance.

Respond with explanation or we'll just take it as concession that you admit to having no argument.





The Jedi never knew he was a force adept, and he was always a Sith. Decades before he became Naboo's senator, he was a Sith to the core.


His regime lasted because he was killed, not for any other reason. Same reason Krayt's ultimately fell.

Vader wins.

Krayt blitzes him

Agreed.

Lol. I hardly think Krayt's ending someone with such incredible TK. That said Krayt wins via sabers yeah.

Krayt would stomp him with ease, I fail how to see this is a fight.

He's also faster, infinitely more skilled, has vastly more powerful force abilities, and ragdolled a guy that threw a ship before his prime/killed an Entire ship of Vong

He would stomp Jaden so bad, that he'd look like a wrinkly bald guy with Alice cooper paint and had the title "Sith'ari"

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Lol. I hardly think Krayt's ending someone with such incredible TK. That said Krayt wins via sabers yeah.