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All of them are in there Primes.

Fight takes place on neutral ground

Which team wins?

The Sith. Hate to say it, but the girls are out of their depth.

If Nomi can provide her team with BM, then the Jedi stand a good chance.

Good point, I didn't think of that.

I'm so handsome.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
If Nomi can provide her team with BM, then the Jedi stand a good chance.
Kun won't give her much time to unleash such abilities, and her lightsaber skills are mediocre compared to his. Sith win.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Kun won't give her much time to unleash such abilities, and her lightsaber skills are mediocre compared to his. Sith win.
That's really convincing.

What era of Luke?

Originally posted by carthage
What era of Luke?
OP says that everyone is in their prime.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Sith. Hate to say it, but the girls are out of their depth.

No they ain't.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
That's really convincing.

I wasn't trying to convince, just state my opinion.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I wasn't trying to convince, just state my opinion.
I don't care about your opinion.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
If Nomi can provide her team with BM, then the Jedi stand a good chance.
On top of that Luke can provide battle-meld, which is > than battle meditation.

I care about Ants opinion.

Originally posted by Based
No they ain't.

Yeah they pretty much are.

I don't know...how much of a boost would BM give?

A random Ithorian with battle med made raskta lsu an equal to orbalisk bane, or close to an equal at least. Even assuming that Nomi's amp is equal to that of the ithorian (which it really isn't), It would still provide an incredibly significant amp.

Battle Meditation weakens your opponents as well. So its not just a straight amp. With BM, sure they can hang with these guys. But in a straight fight they're incomparable to the caliber of the dudes.

In direct combat, the only Jedi outclassed is Nomi. Luke and Yoda can respectively beat Sidious and Plagueis, and I'd give Satele the nod over Exar and Bane, unless Bane has his orbalisk armor.

Well I wouldn't. Satele can't take either imo. And this is Peak Bane as per the OP, so I'd imagine orbalisks.

I'm leaning towards the Sith, because of Kenyan running speed ftw.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't care about your opinion.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
I care about Ants opinion.

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Sidious drops Yoda.

Plagueis drops Satele with ease

Kun wtfpwns Sunrider

and Bane and Plagueis take out Luke.

How about this- all of the Jedi channel all their power through Nomi for a giant Wall of Light.

Total power of Jedi present > Total power of Sith present, so they win.


Even barring that, the Jedi will all benefit from battle meditation from Nomi and Luke. Which should shift some battles- Yoda w/ battlemed beats Plagueis. Luke w/ Battlemed clobbers Sids. Satele w/ battlemed should be in good shape against Bane. Nomi should be able to at least hold off Exar until one or more other sith have fallen.

The Sith are at a disadvantage due to lack of collective powers/buffs, and the Jedi have redundancy in that department.


Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Kun won't give her much time to unleash such abilities, and her lightsaber skills are mediocre compared to his.

'Time'? She'd used it mid fight before, it doesn't take time to set up and do, at least not for her.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Originally posted by Q99
How about this- all of the Jedi channel all their power through Nomi for a giant Wall of Light.

I would buy this if anyone but Nomi showed this ability. Plus Kun tanked it from the master of the art, so I doubt a collective effort would threaten all of the Sith at once.



I think Battle Meditation could be a factor here, but generally the Sith have more offensive powers. Even Luke thinks Sith are more dangerous and these are the elite. With Battle Meditation, I concede that Jedi could win. Without it, I think they will fall.



Given how fast Plagueis is (and IIRC, more dangerous as a duelist than even Sidious) this likely won't happen quickly. Yoda is all about overwhelming via speed, and against anyone who can stall him, he'll become less effective.

If I wrote this fan-fic, I'd just have Plagueis run away, making Yoda chase him, because Sith are trolls.



Sure.



Maybe. Bane is a hell of a lot stronger than her, and has higher showings.



Extremely doubtful. Nomi has never been shown to be in Kun's league, and he is much stronger in the Force than Ulic. This is probably the worst match up here.



True, but the Sith are individually much stronger than most of the Jedi (Yoda/Skywalker being the exceptions) and once one Jedi falls, the collective effort of the group falters or loses momentum. And the most likely to fall would be Nomi, who is woefully outmatched against anyone on the Sith Team. Satele also would be hard pressed, considering her performance against Malgus and the fact that she is explicitly out of her prime. Yoda is wicked strong, but has finite energy, and needs to overcome multiple opponents if either lady falls. Luke is the keystone to his entire group's success.



This is true. But if she's dead, it won't matter.

Eh, I disagree there too. Aside from Luke beating their best, and Yoda probably beating their second best, Satele is a seriously powerful warrior in her own right, she is hardly much less stronger than Bane or Exar, and Nomi is a giant force prodigy herself and master level duelist, with force techniques specific to combating darkside powers.


In the Clone Wars time, Nomi was remembered as one of the strongest Jedi ever, Beldorion mentioned her and Thon in the same breath as Yoda.



Worse case, we're talking two jedi stronger/two sith stronger *before* battle meditation kicks in, and I'm not even sure there's much gap in the latter.




I'mma going to need major cites for the idea that Kun is *that* much faster than her.

Exar did not have an ease time when he was faced with masters less powerful than Nomi.

She's not going to let him close into melee and then lose before doing anything, and in ranged force powers, she's got WoL, she doesn't have to worry about his amulet.

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, I disagree there too. Aside from Luke beating their best, and Yoda probably beating their second best, Satele is a seriously powerful warrior in her own right, she is hardly much less stronger than Bane or Exar, and Nomi is a giant force prodigy herself, with techniques specific to combating darkside powers.

Except that said abilities were shown not to work on Sith of Kun's level of power. So unless you think Kun is the strongest Sith on his team, it's doubtful the abilities will do anything. Nomi's biggest showing was severing Ulic in a moment of emotional crisis for both, and Ulic was explicitly inferior to Kun in the Force (hence why he was titled 'apprentice' by Ragnos and why Kun no-sold the same ability from Odan-Urr).

The whole idea that the Jedi will Voltron-Wall-of-Light is an unsupported assumption at best, because the ability is relatively unknown outside of TotJ storylines, and because it is not shown to be infallible. This assertion requires more evidence.

Additionally, all this "they are such-and-such" is nice, but there needs to be some measures of ability. Bane's raw strength and speed are neatly showcased. Kun's almost-peerless dueling abilities, brute strength and speed, and esoteric Force powers are detailed. Plagueis is a lightning bruiser of the highest order, and Sidious is the most dangerous Sith of his era, able to stall Yoda for a good amount of time despite being overwhelmed in sabers. This is not going to be a situation where they are all stomped because the Jedi use the magical power of friendship.



She likely had high raw potential and such. However, so did Kar Vastor. Using strictly her on-panel showings, Nomi is a high-tier warrior, but I wouldn't say she can easily or casually defeat any of the listed Sith here. For all of her talked-up potential, Nomi has defeated zero genuine Sith Lords, and that's kind of an issue here. Additionally, Thon is noted for having tons of esoteric knowledge, which is why he is especially venerated.



I'm leaning more towards the Sith. They are individually too powerful to be dismissed with the Wall of Light, and again that ability remains known only to Nomi at this point to the best of my knowledge.

Really, BM is the only ace card for the Jedi here.

EDIT: I reread the OP and Satele is in her prime, so strike what I said above about her being out of it.

Originally posted by Q99
I'mma going to need major cites for the idea that Kun is *that* much faster than her.

*Blink*

I'm not sure where I made this claim.



No, he just raised his hand and murdered Odan-Urr, ragdolled Sylvar while freezing the entire senate chamber and toyed with Vodo before ending him the moment he was done with the fight.

He really struggled.



What is this nonsense? Suddenly WoL is this no-sell for anything Dark Side? Kun is exponentially more powerful than her boyfriend. She might be the strongest Jedi above Yavin IV, but she's not individually more powerful than Kun. Kun is the best duelist in the Order aside from Ulic (Nomi is not favorably compared to either, simply given the nebulous title of 'expert') and has shown higher levels of Force power and mastery than anyone else on-panel.

The fact that he remains undefeated as a Sith Lord is a testament to his prowess.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well I wouldn't. Satele can't take either imo. And this is Peak Bane as per the OP, so I'd imagine orbalisks.
Satele does have a trump card under her belt, she can block a lightsaber with bare hands. With this capability, she can possibly disarm her opponent by destroying the lightsaber and also augment her own powers to overwhelm even a superior opponent with sheer might afterwards. Satele isn't some damsel in distress here.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Except that said abilities were shown not to work on Sith of Kun's level of power.

Just because old, weak Odan Urr failed to effect Kun doesn't mean young, strong Nomi will.

Sith win.

Edit: Is this DE Sidious?

Yup.

Also, I wouldn't say BM is the Jedi's only ace card here. They do have Luke mother****ing Skywalker.

Originally posted by ares834
Sith win.

Edit: Is this DE Sidious?

You're right. DE Sids stacks it even more in their favor.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Just because old, weak Odan Urr failed to effect Kun doesn't mean young, strong Nomi will.

But there's nothing to indicate conclusively that she can touch him either. Odan-Urr mastered the technique during the genocides of the Great Hyperspace War; Nomi basically listened to him talk about it and somehow learned it, because exposition sucks.

Again, the idea that Wall of Light is this "Sith maiming uber power" needs to be dispelled.

Well it is the best offensive technique the Jedi have.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well it is the best offensive technique the Jedi have.

No. Judgment Hax Lightning from Luke is the best thing they have. If the setting had cars, I'd say Yoda starts throwing them liberally.

Electric Judgement can't be combined with the power of other Jedi to create a giga laser of doom. Also I'd still say Wall of Light is the best since its non-lethal and is a pure concentration of Light Side energy.

1. Electric Judgment should be combineable, like some kind of Jedi Death Star lazr.

2. Because writers have the consistency of snowballs, WoL isn't explicitly known by anyone but Nomi. However, you could argue that she could mention it and the others would magically know the technique and master it, because Nomi did the same, and then you can similarly say they all overwhelm all of the Sith instantly without any difficulty whatsoever, because Nomi is stronger than Odan-Urr.

Etc. etc.

Well it hasn't been. And I dunno how you'd combine lightning like that without a ritual.

Doesn't Yoda know it? Isn't he stated to know all the Lightside techniques? And couldn't Luke use Battlemeld to link their minds and power to pull off a hroup use of WoL?

Battlemeld, probably. Yoda hasn't shown use of WoL, despite it being insanely useful, so I find the assertion that he knows it subject to the burden of proof.

Hasn't post ROTJ been beaten by relatively unknown characters like Desann and other darkside adepts?

Originally posted by Emperordmb


The guy in the pic is talking to his GF bro... *Implication*