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1. Darth Maul (TPM)
2. Count Dooku (AOTC)
3. General Grievous (ROTS)
4. Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
5. Darth Vader (ANH)

Two hours of rest after each fight, all fights take place where Obi-Wan faced them.

Ok... Dooku and Maul should be higher up than Grievous.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ok... Dooku and Maul should be higher up than Grievous.

That being said, Revan at his height probably takes them all.

1. Loses in a good fight
2. Gets wtfpwned
3. Wins solidly
4. Loses soundly
5. Dies a horrible death

Revan most likely clears

Originally posted by carthage
1. Loses in a good fight
2. Gets wtfpwned
3. Wins solidly
4. Loses soundly
5. Dies a horrible death
I can't wait to see what Ant has to say about this...

Originally posted by carthage
1. Loses in a good fight
2. Gets wtfpwned
3. Wins solidly
4. Loses soundly
5. Dies a horrible death

http://shaunmatheson.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/south-park-drugs-are-bad.jpg

Basically anything that goes against common sense.

Originally posted by carthage
1. Loses in a good fight
2. Gets wtfpwned
3. Wins solidly
4. Loses soundly
5. Dies a horrible death

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What an awesome gif, haha

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ok... Dooku and Maul should be higher up than Grievous.

It's chronological order of when Obi faced them.

Originally posted by Based
It's chronological order of when Obi faced them.

I understand your reasoning now.

1. I see this playing out similarly to when ANH Vader faced Maul. While in an environment where Revan could play to his strengths and use the surroundings to attack with the Force, he has a good chance at winning. However, seeing how his battle takes place in an enclosed chamber with no surrounding objects, Maul probably takes a majority.

2. Dooku solidly, he's a considerably better duelist and I don't see how Revan would gain any sort of significant advantages against him via the Force.

3. May go with Revan here. While Grievous is likely the better duelist, Revan is more than capable of holding out and unlike Grievous has the advantage of the Force over him.

5. Should actually be pretty close this time--Vader is definitely more powerful, but Revan has a wider range of Force attacks and their skill and speed levels should be comparable enough. May side with Vader for a slight majority just because if his strength and durability, paired with his aggressive technique.

So I will do this in order of strength

1. Grievous (ROTS)
2. Maul (TPM)
3. Darth Vader (ANH)
4. Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
5. Darth Tyranus (ROTS)
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1. Revan crushes
2. Revan takes it with difficulty, depending on his willingness to use the force offensively.
3. This is where Revan begins to struggle. Vader is on par with Revan force power wise and saber wise. Revan has got him on mobility though which may ultimately prove to be Vader's undoing.
4. Djem So will push him, Anakin has shown the ability to outright tank the force powers of Tyranus. The difference is Skywalker will push through Niman's defences way easier than Djem So. Skywalker has a good shot, but Revan likely takes it.
5. He dies here. Revan may have the count beat in the force, but not by a margin large enough to make up for Dooku being the premier master of Makashi.

Losses to Anakin due to limited rest, if not he clears.


Uh...precognition?

"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."

Every Jedi has precognition, especially one who could stand his ground against someone as fast as Yoda. Your quote means little when comparing Revan to one of the best duelists we've seen amongst the Sith.

Feat-to-feat, Revan gets wasted by everyone in the gauntlet whose name doesn't start with a G.

Probably clears, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Every Jedi has precognition, especially one who could stand his ground against someone as fast as Yoda. Your quote means little when comparing Revan to one of the best duelists we've seen amongst the Sith.

The specific context is Battle Precognition, which is noted as being an extremely rare and specialized form of dueling precog. Context is important.

Meetra also had this power, and Nyriss still socked her. I again doubt that his precog is so much better than Tyranus's that it can make up for his inferiority as a swordsman.

Not sure how he makes it past ANH Vader without getting laughably torn apart.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Meetra also had this power, and Nyriss still socked her. I again doubt that his precog is so much better than Tyranus's that it can make up for his inferiority as a swordsman.

Meetra has that power, but even shown by the Handmaiden, it is no where close to the likes of Revan, who can anticipate the likes months ahead. Revan precognition is unbelievable.
Dooku's Makashi is an incredibly "by the book" type of form, something someone like Revan dreams to face against, despite Dooku's prowess. Combine Revan's force abilities, and he takes Dooku. Must I mention Makashi is heavily based on footwork, and Revan has numerous powers (lightning, force lightning storms, etc) that can make such footwork poor/off balanced as he duels Dooku?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Meetra has that power, but even shown by the Handmaiden, it is no where close to the likes of Revan, who can anticipate the likes months ahead. Revan precognition is unbelievable.


So, if he saw every move Vitiate made a month before it happened, he should have have dodged all of his spam attacks, and defeated him with ridiculous ease.

It's obvious hyperbole that doesn't really make any sense. I think a better comparison would be the battle precog of Raskta Lsu, which was rather impressive as well upon re-reading the text.

Vitiate is renowned as one who is fantastic at mental infiltration, add in his dark side presence, the demanding outcome of the plot, and Drew's awful writing, you will see your answer on why.

Revan drops a meteor on them all.

/thread.

Dooku will swat it away with his cane

Pimp cane?

How else do you think he kept Savage check?

No matter the thread, it seems like *someone* is trying to low-ball Dooku and/or Makashi. Ridic.

Shock collar.

Originally posted by Galan007
*someone*
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130420213435/glee/images/4/4d/Tell_me_loki.gif

http://chan.catiewayne.com/z/src/136399580124.gif

Its not me.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
So I will do this in order of strength

1. Grievous (ROTS)
2. Maul (TPM)
3. Darth Vader (ANH)
4. Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
5. Darth Tyranus (ROTS)

Originally posted by Galan007
No matter the thread, it seems like *someone* is trying to low-ball Dooku and/or Makashi. Ridic.

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7ccd/pkf6t2wdollpqg16g.jpg

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130420213435/glee/images/4/4d/Tell_me_loki.gif Lol, t'was a general "someone". It just seems like people are very quick to downplay Dooku/Makashi without considering the facts: Dooku is one of the single most powerful Force-users the Jedi/Sith have ever produced. Moreover, he is also one of the most skilled swordsmen in galactic history.

It particularly irks me when these same people act as though Makashi -the single best saber-to-saber form of combat in existence- is relatively easy to overcome. It isn't. People tend to cling to the "week aganst kynetik energeh!@!!" statement as though it supersedes the plethora of Dooku's(and by proxy: Makashi's) showings to the contrary. It doesn't. Hell, Sourcebooks/novels have also stated that Makashi can't defend well against blaster bolts. However, the effortlessness in which Dooku can deflect the aforementioned would certainly paint an entirely different picture of the form.

/rant

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
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I definitely hear you. Regarding technical ability, Dooku is the best duelist in the entire mythos, but that's because his stand-in was a master swordsman.

It isn't really the best saber form IIRC, it has its weakness and while Dooku was an incredible fighter he still succumbed to the weaknesses of the style i,e being driven to the ground by power based attacks. He never really ever had the offensive power of his contemporaries either, he just defended and countered and brought them down in that fashion.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, t'was a general "someone". It just seems like people are very quick to downplay Dooku/Makashi without considering the facts: Dooku is one of the single most powerful Force-users the Jedi/Sith have ever produced. Moreover, he is also one of the most skilled swordsmen in galactic history.

It particularly irks me when these same people act as though Makashi -the single best saber-to-saber form of combat in existence- is relatively easy to overcome. It isn't. People tend to cling to the "week aganst kynetik energeh!@!!" statement as though it supersedes the plethora of Dooku's(and by proxy: Makashi's) showings to the contrary. It doesn't. Hell, Sourcebooks/novels have also stated that Makashi can't defend well against blaster bolts. However, the effortlessness in which Dooku can deflect the aforementioned would certainly paint an entirely different picture of the form.

/rant

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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I definitely hear you. Regarding technical ability, Dooku is the best duelist in the entire mythos, but that's because his stand-in was a master swordsman.

Originally posted by carthage
It isn't really the best saber form IIRC Where lightsaber/lightsaber combat is concerned, that's how Makashi has always been touted...

Fightsaber:
http://i.imgur.com/uIWdS2T.jpg

Essential Guide:
http://i.imgur.com/uGF3F7S.jpg

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
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Basically, Makashi isn't the apex of saber combat because Gilliard didn't know forms existed and Stover is a bad writer.


Originally posted by Galan007
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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Basically, Makashi isn't the apex of saber combat because Gilliard didn't know forms existed and Stover is a bad writer.




http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h82/smnsys/Animations/LoPanPwnt.gif Couldn't have said it better myself.


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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Stover is a bad writer.

Stover is awesome.

My only issue with the RotS novelization is that it has huge inconsistencies with the film, which irritates me. However, he has still produced some of the best reads in existence.

The prevailing theory is that Moose is perturbed by the fact that Stover is wanking PT characters; if Stover were to write a TOTJ/KotOR/TOR-era novel and wank those characters to the same extent, the Moose would be orgasmic.

Anyway, Stover is excellent and the ROTS novel was based on an earlier interpretation of the script. Not to mention he was given enormous latitude by Lucas to tell an appropriate companion piece.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The prevailing theory is that Moose is perturbed by the fact that Stover is wanking PT characters; if Stover were to write a TOTJ/KotOR/TOR-era novel and wank those characters to the same extent, the Moose would be orgasmic.

Anyway, Stover is excellent and the ROTS novel was based on an earlier interpretation of the script. Not to mention he was given enormous latitude by Lucas to tell an appropriate companion piece.

Actually, I'm bothered by how poor the RotS novelisation is compared to the final form of the movie, how much hyperbole it delves in, and how bad it is compared to Shatterpoint, which was really good.

If I was upset because it hurts my bias, that would be dumb, because apparently Stover!Dooku can use the universe to hurl chairs and therefore he wins every time unless someone swings at him really really hard.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Actually, I'm bothered by how poor the RotS novelisation is compared to the final form of the movie, how much hyperbole it delves in, and how bad it is compared to Shatterpoint, which was really good.

Stover's hardly flawless and I do share, to some extent, your dislike of his liberal use of purple prose. That said, I do think a great deal of your umbrage comes from the fact that he's very generous to characters like Sidious, Mace, Dooku, etc.

You certainly don't express similar outrage when non-movie characters are hilariously wanked. Cf. Karpyshyn's Bane.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
If I was upset because it hurts my bias, that would be dumb, because apparently Stover!Dooku can use the universe to hurl chairs and therefore he wins every time unless someone swings at him really really hard.

Stover's biggest misfire with Dooku was turning him into a raging bigot. The rest is acceptable.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Actually, I'm bothered by how poor the RotS novelisation is

wut

In all fairness to Dooku, that chair looked heavy as phuck.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Stover's hardly flawless and I do share, to some extent, your dislike of his liberal use of purple prose. That said, I do think a great deal of your umbrage comes from the fact that he's very generous to characters like Sidious, Mace, Dooku, etc.

You certainly don't express similar outrage when non-movie characters are hilariously wanked. Cf. Karpyshyn's Bane.



Stover's biggest misfire with Dooku was turning him into a raging bigot. The rest is acceptable.

Actually, I didn't yet read Bane; I have read Stover's works. So my experience is limited. I've been very candid with how terrible I think Revan is, even though Nyriss is OP, Vitiate has some showings, and Revan is some kind of Daoism Force God with the mind of a sit-com dad.

Comparatively, Drew's ME novels are awesome.

I don't care for the Dooku-bigot angle either. It doesn't jive well with his characterisation as Yoda's brightest fallen pupil and seems to be inconsistent with other EU/movie showings. Dark Rendezvous, on the other hand, handles their relationship beautifully.

Originally posted by Nephthys
wut

Specifically, it's full of purple prose nonsense, hyperbole, and anything pertaining to action (which is really all we talk about here) is painfully inaccurate.

Originally posted by Galan007
In all fairness to Dooku, that chair looked heavy as phuck.

Serenno marble.

It was almost certainly reinforced with Serenno rebar to boot. Likely had the density of a white dwarf or two.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Specifically, it's full of purple prose nonsense, hyperbole, and anything pertaining to action (which is really all we talk about here) is painfully inaccurate.

The purple prose and hyperbole is what makes it so enjoyable to read. We just roll our eyes because its so hard to analyse for these discussions. The fight scenes are ****ing awesome though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The purple prose and hyperbole is what makes it so enjoyable to read. We just roll our eyes because its so hard to analyse for these discussions. The fight scenes are ****ing awesome though.

Alright, let me rephrase:

It is fun to read.

It is horrific to analyze.

There.

It's a good read when you remove it almost entirely from the context of the film. Imo, if a novel is adapted from a film(or vice versa) the works should line-up with one another for the most part. In this case, they really don't. That's why I find the novel irritating.

Fun fact- I read the ANH novelisation before the THX remastered version came out, and it accurately showed the cut content added in said version.

Still, the best Star Wars book remains Dark Rendezvous.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose


Fun fact- I read the ANH novelisation before the THX remastered version came out, and it accurately showed the cut content added in said version. Did the novel accurately depict Hamill's b*tchmade tone and overall demeanor? If not, it won't line-up with the film.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Still, the best Star Wars book remains Dark Rendezvous.

On a different note, has anyone here read FotJ: Apocalypse? It seems fun/action packed, and evidently incorporates bits from TCW, so I considered buying it. Worth while? Also, I've not read any of the FotJ novels--would they be required reading before I delve into Apocalypse?

Have you seen Mark Hamill lately? He looks old.

http://i.imgur.com/N4mtHUi.jpg

Yeah, really let himself go after he collapsed the Empire. mmm

Originally posted by Galan007


On a different note, has anyone here read FotJ: Apocalypse? It seems fun/action packed, and evidently incorporates bits from TCW, so I considered buying it. Worth while? Also, I've not read any of the FotJ novels--would they be required reading before I delve into Apocalypse?

I've read it; it's awful, absolutely awful. And yes, the other books are essential to the series.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/N4mtHUi.jpg

Yeah, really let himself go after he collapsed the Empire. mmm

The war broke him.

Originally posted by ares834
I've read it; it's awful, absolutely awful. And yes, the other books are essential to the series. http://i.imgur.com/btErSnW.jpg

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The war broke him. He's still the hero the galaxy deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

I've always found Luke to be a very boring character.

Luke was infinitely more interesting and moral than Anakin.

On a different note, has anyone here read FotJ: Apocalypse? It seems fun/action packed, and evidently incorporates bits from TCW, so I considered buying it. Worth while? Also, I've not read any of the FotJ novels--would they be required reading before I delve into Apocalypse?
I read the entire series, and I loved it so much. They are my favorite Star Wars books (which is something to say since I have a collection of over 200).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I read the entire series, and I loved it so much. They are my favorite Star Wars books (which is something to say since I have a collection of over 200).

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FOTJ was retarded.

Revan clears this gauntlet.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

Stover's biggest misfire with Dooku was turning him into a raging bigot. The rest is acceptable.

Glad someone brought this up. Absolutely ridiculous considering the CIS, and the fact that he clearly admired Yoda to the umph degree when he was a Jedi. Guess Sidious really passed dat speciesism onto his apprentice.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Glad someone brought this up. Absolutely ridiculous considering the CIS, and the fact that he clearly admired Yoda to the umph degree when he was a Jedi. Guess Sidious really passed dat speciesism onto his apprentice.

Allegations of Palpatine's xenophobia are as absurd as Dooku's. The pre-TPM EU perpetuated the notion; then TPM comes along and Palpatine's chosen apprentice is a nonhuman and he interacts with aliens at all times without rancor (pun intended). I subscribe to the notion that the Emperor viewed everyone as pawns and wasn't inclined to hate any one group more than another (at least on the basis of species).

Sidious manipulated everyone equally. He ain't rassist.