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Canderous as of KotOR II. Obi as of RotS.

Ordo has his trademark heavy repeater and armor, as well as a basic energy shield. Kenobi has only his lightsaber. The setting is utterly featureless and neutral. No nexus crap or PIS.

So Kenobi has no force?

Naturally he has the Force. You can't debate a Forceless Kenobi because no such thing is in canon.

I don't appreciate your trolling then.

But if Canderous can survive Nihilus, Kenobi should be a snap, right?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't appreciate your trolling.

Concession accepted.

http://media2.giphy.com/media/aR8L7unOhw7T2/giphy.gif

Kenobi>Jango.
Jango>Canderous.
Kenobi>Canderous.
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@DarthAnt66

If this thread doesn't teaches you anything, nothing else will. Heed the message this time.

The message is...?

XD

Wait, so this topic was dedicated to me? I feel honored.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The message is...?

Canderous' survival feat against Nihilus requires context. When that context is not present, and the same feat is used without it, the argument becomes weaker.

For example, in this thread there's nothing to prevent Kenobi from flattening Mandalore against a wall, tearing out an implant, shifting his medulla oblongata or whatever because he has TK. And Kenobi is nowhere near as impressive as HoT or Scourge.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The message is...?
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130815124007/transformers-legends/images/c/c4/Triple-facepalm.jpg

I will let SM do the talking for now.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Wait, so this topic was dedicated to me? I feel honored.

Surprise!

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq4hjliOIF1qdov8oo1_500.gif

I demand someone tell me the message or I will spam this thread with so much CW feats that it will make the Hero look like Jar-Jar.

Canderous has CW feats?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I demand someone tell me the message or I will spam this thread with so much CW feats that make the Hero look like Jar-Jar.
Did you notice SM's response right above my Facepalm based message?

I am so confused right now it's incredible.

The moral of the story is that you're an idiot.


No, but he's basically calling you out on your strawman in the TOR/KOTOR teams thread regarding Canderous's survival against Nihilus.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am so confused right now it's incredible.

K Let's do this:

1. Canderous did well against Darth Nihilus, despite not having any innate defense against the Force whatsoever.
2. The above is false, because Nihilus quickly froze Canderous.
3. Nihilus then became weaker by attempting to feed from the Exile, who is a Wound. This in turn made Nihilus weaker.
4. Cue gameplay battle, which has only the most nebulous affect on canon (since we can't confirm what specifically took place during). For all we know, Mandalore fired helplessly while Visas and Meetra dueled Nihilus to death.
5. Therefore, we cannot properly give him "props" for this battle because he had pretty much no utility during it. At least, nothing that can be actually measured.

/there.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The moral of the story is that you're an idiot.


No, but he's basically calling you out on your strawman in the TOR/KOTOR teams thread regarding Canderous's survival against Nihilus.

Ant's argument was not actually a strawman. She simply made the mistake of misrepresenting a feat without context. Strawman would imply that she instead misrepresented my argument, which is not the case.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am so confused right now it's incredible.
This thread and the other one (Revan versus Qui-Gon Jinn) are meant to showcase your idiocy in debates.

This the message:

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Canderous' survival feat against Nihilus requires context. When that context is not present, and the same feat is used without it, the argument becomes weaker.

For example, in this thread there's nothing to prevent Kenobi from flattening Mandalore against a wall, tearing out an implant, shifting his medulla oblongata or whatever because he has TK. And Kenobi is nowhere near as impressive as HoT or Scourge.

Nothing personal between you and me but you don't make sense very often specially in threads that do not involve your personal favorites.

You debate only in favor of your favorites without realizing how absurd your debating tactics may be, not put things in proper context as they should be. In contrast, Neph, SM, me and some others try to be consistent in our responses and debate in favor of any character as per merit.

This you need to understand. Sooner, better.

I LOL'ed.
Neph: The guy who puts the Hero with Yoda.
Stealth Moose: Self explanatory
SWL: The guy who puts Vitiate above everyone else.

Also, it was him and Temp debating Canderous, not me.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=594265&pagenumber=1 re-read the damn thread.
I swear, how many dumbasses are needed to realize something?
Current Tally: 4

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I LOL'ed.
Neph: The guy who puts the Hero with Yoda.
Stealth Moose: Self explanatory
SWL: The guy who puts Vitiate above everyone else.

Once again, no focus on CONTEXT from you.

I don't put Sith Emperor above everybody else due to my favoritism of the character, canon information exists which implies as such. If this canon information gets challenged in explicit fashion in the future content, fair enough for me. However, don't expect this soon or in explicit fashion because Bioware isn't going to take dictations or change its stance easily.

I gave you a thousand quotes for Palpatine, and you ignore then, then refuse to believe it's in a limited point of view because of your mere fanboyism. Also once again, this:
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Also, it was him and Temp debating Canderous, not me.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=594265&pagenumber=1 re-read the damn thread.
I swear, how many dumbasses are needed to realize something?
Current Tally: 4

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Also, it was him and Temp debating Canderous, not me.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=594265&pagenumber=1 re-read the damn thread.
I swear, how many dumbasses are needed to realize something?
Current Tally: 4

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, they survived the assault on the Dark Temple, they're not going out that easy.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Canderous survived against Nihilus, and HK survives everything. They are going out easy.

As if HK and Canderous don't have heavy repeating blasters and extremely tough armor.

He would last long enough for aid.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Nihilus Force froze Canderous while fail-nom'ing Meetra. Pretty sure he didn't "survive" Nihilus anymore than T3 "survived" Vitiate.

However, heavy repeaters might be good for covering fire, but Scourge isn't a complete noob. He's got the most experience of any single fighter here, and is a certified badass by all rights. HoT and he pretty much make team two a contender. Revan is the only win card on his team.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Er... T3 was blown to smithereens; Canderous walked out alive. Does the presence of quotation marks around a word radically alter its definition?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130302074633/glee/images/1/1f/Hell-No.gif



Derp. Canderous only survived because Nihilus weakened himself by trying to nom the Exile. Otherwise, Nihilus effectively neutralized the entire boarding party - including Canderous - with a gesture.

Learn 2 Pay Attention.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/55c12c806d757d717688f3e2a506d1ea/tumblr_mgl16ewrZO1rslphyo1_400.gif

Way to go, slinging out insults.

^ You responded to Neph, using Canderous' "survival" of Nihilus as a feat. I checked you on it, because it lacked context. Temp white-knighted you just to troll me, because he is jealous of my manhoodintellect.

The point is that you made the faulty argument in the first place, and I called you on it. I didn't call you an idiot though; that honor goes to SWL and Newguy.

What I said was true.
He did survive against Nihilus.
Don't really get your point, just that I'm glad I chose Neph over you in marriage.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What I said was true.
He did survive against Nihilus.
Don't really get your point, just that I'm glad I chose Neph over you in marriage.

But it doesn't mean anything in the debate.

You can't measure his contribution, if any, because the entire fight is gameplay mechanics, which are N-canon.

You can't say he did anything before Nihilus was severely weakened, because Nihilus immediately froze him with the Force.

You can't say he's any good at killing super badass Sith because the fight doesn't offer any viable evidence.

If simply being there and "surviving" because of the benefit of others is a feat, suddenly C3P0 can solo stormtroopers because he survived the battle of the forest moon of Endor.

Got it now?

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/screencrush.com/files/2012/05/gif-21.gif

The point was he survived. Did I say it was a feat in terms of abilities? No.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Ant's argument was not actually a strawman. She simply made the mistake of misrepresenting a feat without context. Strawman would imply that she instead misrepresented my argument, which is not the case.

She?

Yeah, I just couldn't think of another word to define his fallacy.

who caaaaaaaares about this?

Okay, I'm adding two more points to the dumbass meter: 6
+1 point for calling me a "she"
+1 point to think saying Ordo survived Nihilus as my argument

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The point was he survived. Did I say it was a feat in terms of abilities? No.

The context in which you used it implied it was. Otherwise...

Why bring it up?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Okay, I'm adding two more points to the dumbass meter: 6
+1 point for calling me a "she"
+1 point to think saying Ordo survived Nihilus as my argument

You still have "female" set as your gender.

+1 for another dumbass point.

To show alongside HK they have a track record of surviving circumstances, even if it means getting frozen and hanging in the background.

I accept yours and SWL's concession.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You still have "female" set as your gender.
Because we still have some things to take care of tonight...

Originally posted by Nephthys
who caaaaaaaares about this?

It's almost six PM, so my interest will taper down to "non-existent" in a short amount of time.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Okay, I'm adding two more points to the dumbass meter: 6
+1 point for calling me a "she"
+1 point to think saying Ordo survived Nihilus as my argument

Well, you said Neph wears the pants. Given that he is the girliest man in the UK, I had to assume you were either halfway through your surgery or confused.

Also, yes, yes, it was your argument. I reread and requoted the thread. Keep squirming.

I am pretty sure I saw someone girlier than me. Once.

It was like looking at Sasquatch.

If you want my argument for Ordo, it was that he was thought of the best Mandalorian in the galaxy at the time in the Revan novel and his fight against those mandos. THAT would be my argument, the two words I put next to Mandalore's name was not my argument. I continue to accept your concession.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I gave you a thousand quotes for Palpatine, and you ignore then, then refuse to believe it's in a limited point of view because of your mere fanboyism. Also once again, this:
I pay attention to everything you mention, your accusation of fanboyism is laughable. I don't blindly subscribe to a position.

Your claim that Sidious > Vitiate is an unfounded assumption. Not a single accolade of Sidious validates this claim of yours because some of them are a product of personal favoritism of authors themselves or lack of attention from them to official works of BioWare and majority of those accolades predate Sith Emperor's introduction to the mythos and Sidious haven't ever been measured on the grand scale in power aspect like Sith Emperor have been as being most powerful among the Force-users in general.

Also, this gem is from you:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Canderous survived against Nihilus, and HK survives everything. They are going out easy.

HK cannot survive everything. And Canderous survived against Nihilus by virtue of support from Meetra and Visas. Canderous may also have maintained distance and fired from such a spot. This, however, doesn't guarantees his survival in every single combat situation.

And this one too:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Scourge can hold his own against HK, Jolee, and Canderous at the same time, but not defeat them as a whole. HK was good enough to take on a 4 manned Sith Strike team and Canderous is Mandalore with excellent regenerative features. I think they can hold their own against Scourge long enough for Bastila to kill Kira and aid them. If not, if you suggest Bastila fights Scourge, she will be backed up still by HK and Mandalore based on how much they despise Sith.

For all we know, Scourge might just blitz these opponents depending upon their position in proximity to him. This is a guy who have over a thousand Jedi and Sith kills under his belt and one of the (legit) finest duelists of the mythos.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
+1 for another dumbass point.

To show alongside HK they have a track record of surviving circumstances, even if it means getting frozen and hanging in the background.

I accept yours and SWL's concession.

Carbonite Han Solo versus C3P0, coming right up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
For all we know, Scourge might just blitz these opponents depending upon their position in proximity to him. This is a guy who have over a thousand Jedi and Sith kills under his belt and one of the (legit) finest duelists of the mythos.

HoT is more likely to blitz than Scourge.

Let's get serious now:
C3P0 can atleast hold his own against R2.
R2 can hold his own against Yoda.
Yoda is one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

Yep!

I take it you don't know what exaggeration is?

This thread is so full with dumbass it's incredible.
Dumbass chart: Overloaded.

@SWL, if you really feel the need to make such a big deal about a true statement (yes, he did survive), I'm going to dedicate the next hour finding everything you ever said wrong (not even true statements) and make a topic about it.

Only you would do that, Ant. You're so damn obsessive and quick to make grudges lol.

I'm scanning through all his posts atm. I shall enjoy this.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am pretty sure I saw someone girlier than me. Once.

It was like looking at Sasquatch.

I made a funny.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm scanning through all his posts atm. I shall enjoy this.
I never claimed that my posting record is without mistakes, but they are not intentional.

Their is not a single member here whose posting record is mistake-free. We all are human in the end.

However, the issue here is your approach to debates. You don't focus on the context of the arguments of others like you should, you just needlessly prolong a debate without trying to understand what others are suggesting and most often engage in needless point-scoring. You need to fix this problem within you.

To late. I already found 5. I'm no where near complete though. Lucky for you, your profile only lets me scavenger back 200 posts, I would do the whole 3000 if it let me.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
To late. I already found 5. I'm no where near complete though. Lucky for you, your profile only lets me scavenger back 200 posts, I would do the whole 3000 if it let me.
You need to drop your childish antics for your own good.

By the way, it would be amusing to see what you come up with. I have fine debating record in those 3000 posts, I no longer debate as actively in these days.

Now I have 9. I'm only on page two. I might need to spend two nights on this.

Waiting....

I will make a thread about your foolishness soon as well. *** for tat.

12. There were numerous in your debate against Q99. However, there is no reason to post them until I get them all. Wait about 45 minutes and I'll tell you how far I am.

I'm sure you will get a lot.
However I'm not the one who decides to make a topic to call out someone whos wrong (while what I said was right), implying they themselves are never wrong. Consider this a "lesson." However, I don't like to lose, so I will beat you.

I am not intimated. I am confident that I will blow your stupidity out of water. Don't worry.

This is petty and stupid.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is petty and stupid.
Intrepid37 warned me that this guy is a TROLL, I think he is right.

He stepped out of the line once and had to apologize. He is still not getting the message yet.

Sorry bae, gotta kick this guys ass. Our honeymoon is postponed.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sorry bae, gotta kick this guys ass. Our honeymoon is postponed.
Spam less and post. We shall see.

Hell, might just include every debate you had saying Vitiate>Sidious
/autowin

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/00650.gif

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Hell, might just include every debate you had saying Vitiate>Sidious
/autowin
Let me help you:-

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t587136.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t588273.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t594243.html

I have nothing to hide.

You really need to get some life. Taking Star Wars too seriously won't do your health much good.

Thank you. You are to generous. Not counting those, I am currently at 31. Ready to concede?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Thank you. You are to generous. Not counting those, I am currently at 31. Ready to concede?
Bring it on, son.

My debating preferences aren't hidden here, I have nothing to hide. You producing some of my posts to throw at my face isn't going to do you any good or help you get applause. Just keep this in mind.

http://media.giphy.com/media/oD3lTi5VxNJaU/giphy.gif

Nope. The point is sheer revenge. Hell, I'll probably just pm you it.
This is personal. Your still cool though, just in the need of an ass-kicking.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://media.giphy.com/media/oD3lTi5VxNJaU/giphy.gif
http://www.justpushstart.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SWTOR-Revan.jpg

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nope. The point is sheer revenge. Hell, I'll probably just pm you it.
This is personal. Your still cool though, just in the need of an ass-kicking.
Looks like I struck a nerve pretty badly in this thread.

Curious Question: How many do you currently have for me?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Curious Question: How many do you currently have for me?
Bah, I am going to watch Game of Thrones S04E3 first and then get back to you.

By the way, I am not gathering data on you. No need, since your record speaks for itself (in negative way to be honest).

I will address your expected point-scoring thread/response towards me and will decide my course of action on the basis of how this development proceeds.

What is the point of this, exactly?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
What is the point of this, exactly?
Point-scoring attempt from OP

Fair enough. I will be generous enough not to send it to you.
However if you do actually want me to send you what I gathered, I can certainly, however it will be via pm, because making a topic on it is pointless.


His idea that he is the embodiment of perfection.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Fair enough. I will be generous enough not to send it to you.
However if you do actually want me to send you what I gathered, I can certainly, however it will be via pm, because making a topic on it is pointless.
Ok, PM it is.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His idea that he is the embodiment of perfection.
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsi7lo1FT61qii6tmo1_500.gif

That girl is hot. Who is she?
Expect a PM tomorrow, because I have to proof read everything I found to make sure it's valid, and then I need to read 200 pages of a book I been procrastinating om.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That girl is hot. Who is she?
Expect a PM tomorrow, because I have to proof read everything I found to make sure it's valid, and then I need to read 200 pages of a book I been procrastinating om.
Emma Stone

Do send me PM. I am curious about what you intend to point out.

The girl from Spiderman?

Okay, expect a pm by 5pm ET tomorrow.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The girl from Spiderman?

Okay, expect a pm by 5pm ET tomorrow.
The Amazing Spiderman to be precise.

Here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1297015/?ref_=tt_cl_t4

I call dibs.
Also, reply to me on that other topic.

You guys are dumb. I like Darthant more than Legend though, so go stomp him.

Yay! Fan support. Thank you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Intrepid37 warned me that this guy is a TROLL, I think he is right.


I think the whole lot of you, every last side of this argument, are better than Intrepid.

Even though Canderous is a badass I think Kenobi would be able to win. He has fought Jango Fett, who is probably equal or superior to Canderous.

Originally posted by Q99
I think the whole lot of you, every last side of this argument, are better than Intrepid.

Truth.