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Krayt's Hands vs. Jedi warriors

FORCE, SABERS, ALL OUT

Depa Solo's

Depa was near Mace level, wasn't she? Neither of the darths are that level.

On the flip side, neither of the Jedi have shown any force power to speak of. They both seem to be purely duelists, or close enough to it (notably, Mace felt her bladework surpassed his, yet without being fed by external fear he had the advantage, indicating he's got noticeably more strength in the force).

So, saber, Jedi, sith, force, all-out, likely Jedi though the Sith have a chance with their force abilities.

Depa solos.

Depa was not even remotely close to Mace's level.

Canon says otherwise.

Mace says otherwise, before fighting her while severely injured and not entering Vaapad.

Mace says so, specifically pointing to her "bladework", not her ability to win their duel. If he had said something to the tune of "I can't defeat her" or "I can't win this fight", then you could make an argument for him referring to that specific moment in time, where he's tired and injured. But since he refers specifically to her "mastery of Vapaad" and her skills, the conditions in that very moment are irrelevant. "Skill" isn't effected by temporary injuries and situations. Michael Jordan in his prime wouldn't be considered less skilled of a basketball player than normal if he were to break his leg.

EDIT- Also, skimming the book again, when he refers to her bladework surpassing his own, he's referring to an incident that happened in the past. So his current state doesn't matter. Just pointing that out for emphasis.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Mace says so, specifically pointing to her "bladework", not her ability to win their duel. If he had said something to the tune of "I can't defeat her" or "I can't win this fight", then you could make an argument for him referring to that specific moment in time, where he's tired and injured. But since he refers specifically to her "mastery of Vapaad" and her skills, the conditions in that very moment are irrelevant. "Skill" isn't effected by temporary injuries and situations. Michael Jordan in his prime wouldn't be considered less skilled of a basketball player than normal if he were to break his leg.
Injuries effect how well you're going to utilize your skill.

1. See my edit.

2. Yeah, it does. Which is why it's important to make the distinction between referring to skill level and the utilization of that skill. In Mace's case, he referred specifically to her skill compared to his, not her ability to use her skill compared to his ability to use his skill.

But this is immaterial since, as noted above, when he refers to her bladework surpassing his own he's referring to a past event, not the present. So whether he's injured or not in the moment doesn't matter.

Mace is a very generous guy.

We do have a few sources stating that besides Yoda, only Mace could fight him evenly. There's a reason Depa was never mentioned.

Team 2.

The only way the Siths win is if Depa's force defense isn't good, in short. Which isn't out of the question.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Mace is a very generous guy.

We do have a few sources stating that besides Yoda, only Mace could fight him evenly. There's a reason Depa was never mentioned.

That's not an argument.

That Mace and Yoda are the only two who can defeat Sideous has no bearing on Depa's dueling ability compared to his. She could be the better swordsman but lack the force mastery he possesses that allows him and Yoda to contend with Palpatine.

You're reaching pretty hard here, man.

No one ever mentioned Palpatine, bro.

Sorry, misread your post.

My point stands in regard to force mastery. Assuming the context is sabers only, provide these sources.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Sorry, misread your post.

My points stands in regard to force mastery. Assuming the context is sabers only, provide these sources.

Thank you, sir. Source?

Power of the Jedi sourcebook.

There's also this.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/12/124590/3504177-2248172-2156744_dooku_mace_super.jpg

Right on.

So, why do you think these sources indicate that Mace's admission of Depa's dueling skills having surpassed his own is invalid?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Right on.

So, why do you think these sources indicate that Mace's admission of Depa's dueling skills having surpassed his own is invalid?
If Depa's dueling skill surpassed Mace's, she would have been considered alongside Yoda and Dooku as to have the ability to beat him.

By the way, Nick Gillard says that as of AOTC, Mace was second to only Yoda in terms of skill.

If she's less powerful in the force, she may be technically more skilled but able to force-amp less.

Which is good for the sith here.

Talon solos.