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who wins?

The way I see it, their in-combat force skills are too close to compare but Vitiate's force feats unrelated to combat are more impressive, so if its a force only fight, I will go with Vitiate.

EDIT: Just noticed that this is ROTS Sidious where I thought it was DE Sidious. Vitiate takes ROTS Sidious in force.

Sidious performs a ritual that tilts the darkside into his favor and then ragdolls Vitiate and cooks him with FL

Originally posted by carthage
Sidious performs a ritual that tilts the darkside into his favor and then ragdolls Vitiate and cooks him with FL

Performing rituals in the middle of heated combat.....you are like John Snow because you know nothing

Setting and prep?

While Vitiate is gathering power for his OMG mental/lightning attack, amused Sidious Force chokes him.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Performing rituals in the middle of heated combat.....you are like John Snow because you know nothing

Sidious doesn't need prep or a nexus to one shot Vitiate. When Vitiate can move like a "phantom", fade from reality, or blitz four Jedi masters call me. Vitiate needs a prep and nexus to do anything.

Originally posted by carthage
Sidious doesn't need prep or a nexus to one shot Vitiate. When Vitiate can move like a "phantom", fade from reality, or blitz four Jedi masters call me. Vitiate needs a prep and nexus to do anything.
That is beside the point.

That particular line of logic for Sidious beating Vitiate was ****ing stupid, and that's what Bantha was getting at.

No prep? Sidious
Prep? Vitiate.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
No prep? Sidious
Prep? Vitiate.

In an all out battle yes but not in a force only fight

I'm not sure what Vitiate would do differently to Sidious with preparations.

Originally posted by Sinious
In an all out battle yes but not in a force only fight

Disagree. Plagueis was more powerful than Sidious but once Sidious started to blast him with lightning it was game over. Sidious was able to blitz Yoda (albeit an off guard Yoda but still Yoda), Vitiate will be cake.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm not sure what Vitiate would do differently to Sidious with preparations.

Gigadrain? Dark Council light blast?

There's no way Vitiate could drain Palpatine, and that was only myth, it's likely hyperbole.

However, I would wager that this so called flash of light was a standard FLS, like he used to down the Strike Team.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
There's no way Vitiate could drain Palpatine, and that was only myth, it's likely hyperbole.

However, I would wager that this so called flash of light was a standard FLS, like he used to down the Strike Team.

I don't think so. They all vanished except for one who was then tortured. It seems more like teleportation or something.

lolnope

Originally posted by Emperordmb
That is beside the point.

That particular line of logic for Sidious beating Vitiate was ****ing stupid, and that's what Bantha was getting at.

Its 'stupid' because you put him on a pedestal he doesn't belong on. Sidious without prep has superior feats than Vitshit, and the fact you think otherwise is hilarious. Call me when Vitiate can actually perform feats without prep.

Originally posted by carthage
Its 'stupid' because you put him on a pedestal he doesn't belong on. Sidious without prep has superior feats than Vitshit, and the fact you think otherwise is hilarious. Call me when Vitiate can actually perform feats without prep.
This has nothing to do with me "putting Vitiate on a pedestal," when I don't even like Vitiate very much.

I never even said Vitiate would win this one or that he was Sidious's superior. I have Sidious ranked first on my Sith power list and I have Vitiate at fifth for ****'s sake.

I was merely pointing out that Bantha was pointing out that the reasoning you originally used for Vitiate winning was ****ing stupid, that reasoning being Sidious performing a ritual midcombat to tilt the force in his favor or some shit.

That is all I said, stop putting ****ing words in my mouth and acting like I'm saying things I'm not, you ignorant ****.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This has nothing to do with me "putting Vitiate on a pedestal," when I don't even like Vitiate very much.

I never even said Vitiate would win this one or that he was Sidious's superior. I have Sidious ranked first on my Sith power list and I have Vitiate at fifth for ****'s sake.

I was merely pointing out that Bantha was pointing out that the reasoning you originally used for Vitiate winning was ****ing stupid, that reasoning being Sidious performing a ritual midcombat to tilt the force in his favor or some shit.

That is all I said, stop putting ****ing words in my mouth and acting like I'm saying things I'm not, you ignorant ****.

My original reason was obviously sarcasm, calm down. No need to cuss at a poster bro

Originally posted by carthage
My original reason was obviously sarcasm, calm down.
Regardless of any sarcasm in your original reason, that's what Bantha was responding to, and that's all I was pointing out.

Originally posted by carthage
No need to cuss at a poster bro
I'm getting really tired of your shit Carthage. The horrendous logic you use in debates irritates me to know end, you have demonstrated judgement completely clouded by bias on numerous occasions, and you make threads and refer to some characters certain ways for the sole purpose of pissing people off. That in and of itself is bad enough on it's own.

But when you accuse me of holding opinions I don't even hold, and when you insinuate that I'm a dumbass for saying things I never even said, I reserve the right to say whatever the **** I want to you in regards to you putting words in my mouth.

The only "logic" I'm using is that Vitiate doesn't have 1/10th of the requisite feats to suggest he can compete with Palpatine. If you want to keep crying and wishing you had a response based on feats to contradict me, then by all means keep playing a martyr. You mad?

Originally posted by carthage
The only "logic" I'm using is that Vitiate doesn't have 1/10th of the requisite feats to suggest he can compete with Palpatine. If you want to keep crying and wishing you had a response based on feats to contradict me, then by all means keep playing a martyr. You mad?
I never even made an argument for Vitiate being able to win this. That was pretty much the entire point of my last two posts you daft ****. You are putting words in my mouth that I have never said, and now you are calling me a dumbass for them.

Calm down dude.

Originally posted by carthage
Calm down dude.
I'm not going to back down to you. You are completely misrepresenting my words and opinions in a way that is either a deliberate attempt to make me look like a dumbass, or you are actually ignorant enough to not have grasped what I have tried to explain multiple times.

Either way I reserve the full right to call you out on it.

Dude it was a sarcastic comment that you're taking literal as if its a representation of an actual argument. Feel free to call me out on it and rage.. I am not implying anything, you're dragging this on unnecessarily

Originally posted by carthage
Dude it was a sarcastic comment that you're taking literal as if its a representation of an actual argument. Feel free to call me out on it and rage.. I am not implying anything, you're dragging this on unnecessarily
That's not even what I'm talking about you troll. I'm talking about how you keep implying that I'm a dumbass for saying/thinking Vitiate>Sidious, even though I never even said anything remotely close to such a thing.

I am calling you out on the fact that you choose to accuse me of and call me a dumbass for things I don't even say, think, or believe.

I'm not calling you a dumbass. You're mad over a sarcastic statement I made, and you refuse to just admit you were wrong and now you're dragging this on longer than you need to. I don't believe you think Vitiate is stronger, its just he has no feats to suggest he can take Palpatine. There is no need to get angry over a general statement.

Originally posted by carthage
I'm not calling you a dumbass. You're mad over a sarcastic statement I made, and you refuse to just admit you were wrong and now you're dragging this on longer than you need to. I don't believe you think Vitiate is stronger, its just he has no feats to suggest he can take Palpatine. There is no need to get angry over a general statement.

when ever you say something stupid and someone calls you out on it you say its sarcasm... either you are the most sarcastic smuck on the internet or else your really dumb....pick your poison

He could call me out, but it was a sarcastic comment and Emperor has a history of being a drama queen.

I give up on you.... your beyond redemption

Its obvious sarcasm when Palpatine didn't do a ritual by himself, and even as dimwitted as Emperor is he knows its not applicable in combat. Do you folks ever take the time to read a post instead of being so reactive? Lol.

Originally posted by carthage
I'm not calling you a dumbass. You're mad over a sarcastic statement I made, and you refuse to just admit you were wrong and now you're dragging this on longer than you need to.
I am not mad over a sarcastic remark you made. I was merely pointing out that that was what Bantha was calling you out on, and not your verdict as you seemed to think he was disagreeing with you on. You are the one who dragged this out by accusing me of saying stuff I never even said.

Originally posted by carthage
I don't believe you think Vitiate is stronger, its just he has no feats to suggest he can take Palpatine.
Your last few quotes involve you mocking me because you think I have Vitiate>Sidious, despite me explaining the contrary numerous times. Do these very recent posts ring any sort of a bell:
Originally posted by carthage
Its 'stupid' because you put him on a pedestal he doesn't belong on. Sidious without prep has superior feats than Vitshit, and the fact you think otherwise is hilarious.
Originally posted by carthage
Vitiate doesn't have 1/10th of the requisite feats to suggest he can compete with Palpatine. If you want to keep crying and wishing you had a response based on feats to contradict me, then by all means keep playing a martyr. You mad?
From these two quotes, you were very clearly implying that I believed that Vitiate>Sidious, and you were mocking me for it, despite the fact that I explained that that wasn't my opinion numerous times.


Originally posted by carthage
There is no need to get angry over a general statement.
How many times do I need to say this to get it through that thick ****ing skull of yours?

I am not angry that you think Sidious>Vitiate, and I in fact place Sidious above Vitiate myself.

I am not angry about that sarcastic remark you made. I was merely pointing out that another member was calling BS on your logic, and not your verdict as you seemed to believe.

I am angry about you misrepresenting my opinions and accusing me of holding opinions that I don't even hold and saying things that I never even said, despite me explaining that that wasn't what I said/believed numerous times.

It's that ****ing simple!

@ carthage: I try not to read anything you type....it hurts my brain 90% of the time

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I try not to read anything you type....it hurts my brain 90% of the time

I don't blame you bro. Emperor's posts make my brain hurt too.

Originally posted by carthage
I don't blame you bro. Emperor's posts make my brain hurt too. notice the "@ carthage"

Originally posted by WildBantha88
@ carthage: I try not to read anything you type....it hurts my brain 90% of the time
I know right?!! Reading his posts makes me feel hungover.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I know right?!! Reading his posts makes me feel hungover.

I'm not the one trying to justify Vitiate >> Sidious though

Originally posted by carthage
I'm not the one trying to justify Vitiate >> Sidious though
Neither am I you ****ing dipshit!!! That's what I've been explaining for the past five ****ing posts you ****ing troll!!!