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The Spirit of Marka Ragnos appears and decrees that the winner of this fight shall be the new Dark Lord of the Sith.

Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus vs Exar Kun vs Reborn Krayt

Setting is neutral ground. All characters are peak. Who is the new Dark Lord?

I have Vader>Malgus, but aside from that, I'm not sure where I place everyone else.

I think Malgus is a bit weaker than Krayt and Vader where Exar Kun is above both.

So I'd say Exar Kun takes this but its a very close one.

ROTJ Vader should take first comfortably

Krayt 2nd

Kun 3rd

Malgus 4th

First, they turn to Ragnos and destroy him, because some old spirit doesn't get to decide who's sith lord, strength does.

Who would you have winning?

Vader is the best here?

I'm siding with Kun.

It's a close enough fight that I think any of them *could* win.

Exar Kun has the wider array of defensive and offensive techniques.

Malgus sits below everyone here, Vader loses out in Force Prowess to both Krayt and Kun. Kun has seemingly better knowledge of sorcery than Krayt does, so Kun.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Exar Kun has the wider array of defensive and offensive techniques.



What's he got for defense above the norm? Offense, he has amulet blasts...

I think Vader and Kun have the best chances here based on their specializations. Defensive/tank capabilities and unpredictability are two of the most important things in a fight like this. Kun's style is the most unpredictable, and Vader's has the best defense paired with his armor. I'd say Vader is the second most unpredictable fighter while Kun is probably the weakest tank here, so I'd give this one to Vader.

Krayt's got good force defense and his self-healing going for him, defensively.

Originally posted by Q99
What's he got for defense above the norm? Offense, he has amulet blasts...

Force Barriers powerful enough to only be defeated by a Sith spirit in Freedon Nadd and an Ancient Jedi Master with a millennium of prep for such an occasion.

Shown the ability to successfully defend against Sith Sorcery such as Keto's and is immune to Force Drain.

He also has the ability to freeze lightsabers on the spot. A black variant of lightning that surpassed lightsaber conduction and an offensive Essence Transfer technique(which is strikingly similar to Dark Transfer).

Yea, but I'd expect most everyone here is stronger than Freedon's spirit...

Those are the only two people that ever even attempted to use TK on Exar, I'd add lol.

Kun's Blasts would kill Krayt before he could react

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Krayt would blitz Kun broski.

What is this nonsense.

He is faster though. But Kun's saber feats are better, Vodo with a stick >> Darth Wyyrlok

I doubt someone as powerful as Kun, who called Luke's lightsaber ability "quaint" is going to be blitzed by anyone.

He may or may not get blitzed. But Krayt has superior dueling feats, is faster, is more skilled, and dark transfer/superior speed > Kun's blasts.

Would be a close fight though.

I do not think any of these four are blitzable by anyone.

Originally posted by carthage
He may or may not get blitzed. But Krayt has superior dueling feats, is faster, is more skilled, and dark transfer/superior speed > Kun's blasts.

Would be a close fight though.

Kun leaves after-images in his duels, just like Krayt does, so I don't see how either of them has the speed advantage.

I also don't see how he is more skilled as a Niman duelist than the guy who is the poster boy of the form.

Dark Transfer is likely also only going to make things ten times worse for Krayt, Kun can Force Drain him to death from the inside out, whilst being unaffected by any of Krayt's techniques.

Kun however has black lightning that evidently surpasses lightsaber conduction, can freeze the lightsabers of all three of his opponents, Force Blast them, rend their essences from their body and more...

Krayt can't exactly compete with that.

What the ****.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What the ****.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What the ****.
Yep LOL

I actually know what he's talking about, but he's way off. It wasn't the lightning that froze the lightsabers, it was the Tendrils.

Originally posted by AncientPower

Dark Transfer is likely also only going to make things ten times worse for Krayt, Kun can Force Drain him to death from the inside out, whilst being unaffected by any of Krayt's techniques.

What? I'm not sure how one 'force drains him from the inside out' or what that is supposed to do with Dark Transfer.

It's a shatterpoint-based technique, Kun has shatterpoints, if Krayt grabs him and uses it I don't see what force drain has to do with anything.

Krayt also has force drain btw- He used it against Abeloth.





Krayt has excellent force defense and has bare-hand deflected lightning. He also broke through Wyyrlok's sorcery. He knows essence transfer, so even in the unlikely event his essence was rent, it'd just pop back in.

*Sigh* I see knowledge of Exar Kun is retrained to just Force Blast around here:



Exar Kun was controlling him directly, filling the lack of his own Force energy with Kyp's own energies and fueling his powers:



Again this is only Kun at partial strength, as stated by Vodo Siosk Baas.

So Exar Kun used Kyp Durron as a prolonged source of energy to fuel his powers? Laem.

Yes, because he himself as an essence has no Force energy reserves, what is clear though is that even at partial strength, Exar Kun can do shit like this to characters like DE Luke.

So badass. I'm putting him Mortis level.

Nice switching of the goal posts there. But thanks for conceding the point.

Exar Kun retains these abilities and was still only at partial strength, glad you agree.

Kun tears the essences from their bodies, GG.

Conceding the point? We weren't in a debate.

Kun or Krayt win.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Kun or Krayt win.

How does that work?

Dark Transfer or Amulet spam. Pick your haxxx.

lol, that seems fair I guess. I'm still siding Kun here.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kun leaves after-images in his duels, just like Krayt does, so I don't see how either of them has the speed advantage.

It isn't just that, though. Quinlan Vos can also leave afterimages. Darth Krayt, however, has blitzed 4 of the most skilled Imperial Knights in the galaxy while they had him completely surrounded, (360 sweep,) in a dying state due to his Vong Implants. All before having his power redoubled through his rebirth.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I also don't see how he is more skilled as a Niman duelist than the guy who is the poster boy of the form.

I gotta say--this is pretty lame. Kun was the first great Niman duelist, therefore he's above any other Niman user? There are so many examples proving your statement wrong. He duels aggressively? So does Krayt. Kun's skill with the blade is hyped and harped on moreso than Krayt's, I'll admit, but utterly eviscerating of the best IK's in the galaxy while heavily weakened and still before his prime + dominating Cade Skywalker is already more than what Kun has to his name in terms of lightsaber feats.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Dark Transfer is likely also only going to make things ten times worse for Krayt, Kun can Force Drain him to death from the inside out, whilst being unaffected by any of Krayt's techniques.

Oh lord.

In case you didn't know, Krayt has demonstrated quite a bit more prowess than Kun has in force drain sans a prepared ritual. He kinda, y'know, drained the shit out of Abeloth.

And Dark Transfer would prove ineffective because......reasons? No technique would affect Exar Kun?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kun however has black lightning that evidently surpasses lightsaber conduction, can freeze the lightsabers of all three of his opponents, Force Blast them, rend their essences from their body and more...

....Lightning that phases through sabers?

he isn't doing any of those things.....unless they stand there and let him do it. Out of all those things you listed, force blast is still his best chance.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Krayt can't exactly compete with that.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
It isn't just that, though. Quinlan Vos can also leave afterimages. Darth Krayt, however, has blitzed 4 of the most skilled Imperial Knights in the galaxy while they had him completely surrounded, (360 sweep,) in a dying state due to his Vong Implants. All before having his power redoubled through his rebirth.



I gotta say--this is pretty lame. Kun was the first great Niman duelist, therefore he's above any other Niman user? There are so many examples proving your statement wrong. He duels aggressively? So does Krayt. Kun's skill with the blade is hyped and harped on moreso than Krayt's, I'll admit, but utterly eviscerating of the best IK's in the galaxy while heavily weakened and still before his prime + dominating Cade Skywalker is already more than what Kun has to his name in terms of lightsaber feats.



Oh lord.

In case you didn't know, Krayt has demonstrated quite a bit more prowess than Kun has in force drain sans a prepared ritual. He kinda, y'know, drained the shit out of Abeloth.

And Dark Transfer would prove ineffective because......reasons? No technique would affect Exar Kun?



....Lightning that phases through sabers?

he isn't doing any of those things.....unless they stand there and let him do it. Out of all those things you listed, force blast is still his best chance.





Quinlan Vos was an exceptional duelist himself, he isn't some Darth Bandon.

I would direct you to the fact that Kun defeated and stalemated two of the best Djem So duelists in the history of the Order(PotJ), despite not being a power duelist.

In NUMEROUS sources is Exar Kun given as the example of the Niman duelist, the best. Not Krayt but Exar Kun.

Exar Kun with a GLARE burned Gantoris from the inside out. Draining him completely, taking advantage of his opponent's own rage.

Actually Dark Transfer would be a positive for Exar Kun because he knows how to effect the material world as an Essence, you're forgetting that he knows how to anchor himself to Dark Side structures(in this case Korriban).

Once in said state, he would destroy them all in this manner because none of them have the Light Side capabilities to destroy him in this form(requires WoL).

Your source for that claim? Kyp literally just waved and Luke's lightsaber was rendered useless... honestly did you even read the above quotes?

He can tear all of their essences from their body and destroy said Essences with his Force Blast(Like he did to Freedon Nadd).