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Mauls the weak link.

Falls at 1.

They fall at 1.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
They fall at 1.

I'm not sure if Barsen'thor can take Maul down. Maul is also a force-beast and should be a better duelist.

Revan vs Vader and HoT vs Dooku would be close, but I give the overall edge to Sidious's apprentices.

Good thread! Team Jedi is an interesting match for these three.

Originally posted by Stigma
I'm not sure if Barsen'thor can take Maul down. Maul is also a force-beast and should be a better duelist.

Maul's more of a TK beast than a Force beast, and the Barsen'thor should have no problem dealing with his TK.

Doubtful. While Vader might be able to handle Revan 1 on 1, the HoT can definitely deal with Dooku before Vader could finish Revan.

Maul really isn't comparable to 'Thor, Force-wise.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
They fall at 1.

They stomp 1.

Barsen is featless as a duelist, and a one off TK showing doesn't prove he/she can hang with high tier duelists like Vader or Tyranus. Revan gets telekinetically destroyed by Vader, and Hero isn't carrying his team to victory.

They stomp 2 as well.

Clear

The Barsen'thor has more than a one-off TK showing.

Vader alone should be sufficient for an unamped/unboosted Vitiate. But I agree they'll have more difficulty with the Sith, Malgus should be able to hold of either. Scourge is fodder to any of them though

The Barsen'thor beating an ancient Sith Lord who was drawing on the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters, while wounded and after fighting through his capital ship is a superior feat to anything Maul has done. She'd kick his ass.

It also goes without saying that the TOR Sith team win.

Mace's TK showings in CW cartoon are also superior to Sidious' from the movies. Nihilus' drain showings are also superior to anything that other Sith Lords have ever shown. Sometimes, that kind of "feats" means nothing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Barsen'thor beating an ancient Sith Lord who was drawing on the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters, while wounded and after fighting through his capital ship is a superior feat to anything Maul has done. She'd kick his ass.

It also goes without saying that the TOR Sith team win.



Barsen has defeated no one with feats, and lacks any saber skills to suggest he is even better than Obi Wan ROTS. Unless you have anything more substantial than beating some random fodder Sith, Barsen has got nothing on either of the three as duelists.

Maul can easily outduel Barsen, he doesn't need the force to kick Barsen's ass.

Originally posted by Zett
Mace's TK showings in CW cartoon are also superior to Sidious' from the movies. Nihilus' drain showings are also superior to anything that other Sith Lords have ever shown. Sometimes, that kind of "feats" means nothing.

Mace's TK feats were done in a cartoon that was heavily stylised and exaggerated. Every character was performing feats superior to those of Sidious. And Nihilus' drain showing straight up is superior to anything that any other Sith Lord has shown.

You can't just ignore the feat for no reason, bro.

Originally posted by carthage
Barsen has defeated no one with feats, and lacks any saber skills to suggest he is even better than Obi Wan ROTS. Unless you have anything more substantial than beating some random fodder Sith, Barsen has got nothing on either of the three as duelists.

Maul can easily outduel Barsen, he doesn't need the force to kick Barsen's ass.

Gee, it's almost as if the Barsen'thor is a combatant who focuses on fighting with the Force or something, durrr!

She will toss him around before it becomes a lightsaber duel. And she has dodged lightning and blitzed large Rakatan war droids.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Mace's TK feats were done in a cartoon that was heavily stylised and exaggerated. Every character was performing feats superior to those of Sidious. And Nihilus' drain showing straight up is superior to anything that any other Sith Lord has shown.

You can't just ignore the feat for no reason, bro.

Was OCW retconned?

Maybe.

Retconed? Why? It's not even a canon anymore.

For no reason? I have my own reasons. Movies and TCW are some kind of determinant. If someone will show a far superior (or even superior) feats to any: Yoda or Sidious - the most powerful practitioners of light and dark side of the Force- , I'll treat it as a bullshit. That's my own right, and your is to disagree with me. But I'll not change my mind.

Originally posted by Zett
Mace's TK showings in CW cartoon are also superior to Sidious' from the movies. Nihilus' drain showings are also superior to anything that other Sith Lords have ever shown. Sometimes, that kind of "feats" means nothing.



Yep we have to powerscale.

Although feats are important, can't go by feats alone.

^
That's it. And movies and TCW are the most important sources of SW's powerscale. Personally, I don't like TCW much. I've always considered "Republic" comics and Luceno's books as the best sources of canon after movies. But now it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Zett
For no reason? I have my own reasons. Movies and TCW are some kind of determinant. If someone will show a far superior (or even superior) feats to any: Yoda or Sidious - the most powerful practitioners of light and dark side of the Force- , I'll treat it as a bullshit. That's my own right, and your is to disagree with me. But I'll not change my mind.

So you're ignoring it because you think it's superior to what Yoda and Sidious would be capable of? Even I don't think that. It's not a bullshit feat and while you do have the right to ignore it if you want, I have the right to criticise you for doing so for shitty reasons and to not take you seriously.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER


Yep we have to powerscale.

Although feats are important, can't go by feats alone.
What exactly has been done in TOR that hasn't been done in the original saga?

Oh god, Sidious was able to speed blitz a 3 high level Jedi masters. That's a great feat. He could levitate a few pods simultaneously and throws them onto Yoda, fine. He shown a nice lightning skills.
But - for example - Nihilus was able to hold an entire spaceship by TK. He was able to destroy the life in the whole planet by his voice as I remember (am I wrong?). He was able to destroy many Jedi masters, while being many kilometers away from them.

There is a lot of examples with Vitiate as well. As I said, movies and TCW are my powerscale - of some feats are far above those which I can see in the movies, that's a BS for me. You can ignore me, I dont care man. Or you can just discuss with me a fights between guys from the same era - then it wont be problematic, I guess.

Goood, let the wank flow through you.

I guess we all forgot the part where Palpatine destroys an entire fleet in a matter of seconds. But hey, Vitiate can eat a planet in ten days with help from 8,000 people. And Nihilus can hold a ship together in space.

Originally posted by Zett
Nihilus was able to hold an entire spaceship by TK.

Tobin: This ship... is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet...that is a measure of his power.
Canderous Ordo: This ship is barely holding itself together. The structural damage should have destroyed it long ago.
Tobin: He holds it together.
―Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords

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"Darth Nihilus began his Jedi purge by obliterating the planet of Katarr, where a secret conclave of the most powerful Jedi were taking place."
―The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I guess we all forgot the part where Palpatine destroys an entire fleet in a matter of seconds.

Nope, it's just an exaggeration of the same scale, like we could see in old CW. An exaggeration =/- logical feat. I'm glad that shitsources like DE aren't a canon anymore. On the other hand, it's a pity that some great materials like "Republic" or Luceno's books are not a parts of canon too ;/

@DarthAnt

I swear if I had any lulz left to give, you could have them. This is the EU subforum, you know. We scale people up, not down.

That's stupid imo. Ok, I guess it's not a place for me then. HF guys

Don't just go. :C

Later Zett.

See you at Comicvine

Originally posted by Zett
That's stupid imo. Ok, I guess it's not a place for me then. HF guys
I mean it only makes PT characters look better. Embrace it.

bump

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Mauls the weak link.

Falls at 1.

Freshest was ahead of his time.

For the love of god; Sidious speedblitzed those three Jedi Masters because they didn't use Force speed nor expected that Sidious would spin-attack them. That's one of the reasons Windu kept up with him: he had the opportunity to access the Force speed power. That's the reason why even Maul couldn't see Sidious when he fought him alongside his brother; Sidious Force-dominated him and didn't allow him to utilize the Force speed power.
That's why Anakin couldn't see both Windu and Sidious in the office room. Because he wasn't accessing the Force speed power. That's why Leia couldn't see Luke and Sidious' fight on the Eclipse when they were too fast; because she wasn't accessing the Force speed power.

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Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
That's the reason why even Maul couldn't see Sidious when he fought him alongside his brother;




That like... never happened.