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Who is the superior sith?

Force
Sabers
All out

Force - Kun
Sabers - Dooku
All Out - Kun

Just my opinion

Tyranus with mid difficulty

Originally posted by carthage
Tyranus with mid difficulty

Not sure whats funny Dooku is a tier above Exar as a duelist, he is faster, more skilled and defeated superior opponents than Kun did

Originally posted by carthage
Not sure whats funny Dooku is a tier above Exar as a duelist, he is faster, more skilled and defeated superior opponents than Kun did

Prove Kun is superior

Prove Dooku can handle his sorcery and force attacks. He has very limited knowledge on ancient sith sorcery and Kun can apply it in combat excellently.

Kun has no illusion feats that he's ever displayed that can harm the Count. His feat in the senate while amazing, didnt affect the force sensitives. Any claim he can affect Dooku with illusions isnt supported by his feats. Dooku is also fast enough to dodge his amulet blasts

Dooku, Kun's Sith Sorcery won't really help him that much. Also I don't ever recall him using Sorcery in combat during his run in Tales of the Jedi.

He can't just keep dodging them and hope to stay on the offensive. Kun's display of blast and scream is above anything Dooku has done force wise. His other accomplishments also surpass him but you won't take it seriously since he didnt apply them in combat.

Also you use him feeding on the power of Luke's students but it shows how capable he is in the force.

Originally posted by Sinious
He can't just keep dodging them and hope to stay on the offensive. Kun's display of blast and scream is above anything Dooku has done force wise. His other accomplishments also surpass him but you won't take it seriously since he didnt apply them in combat.

Also you use him feeding on the power of Luke's students but it shows how capable he is in the force.
Though I agree Kun wins this, Ant proved in his debate against Carthage that Kun can't just repeatedly spam his blasts.

In what way? As a member of the Banite lineage, he has one of the greatest wealths of Sith knowledge in the mythos, including the holocron of Darth Andeddu.

Just because he himself doesn't have a talent for such skills, much like Bane, that doesn't mean he doesn't have working knowledge of it.



It's really difficult to say how well Exar Kun's sorcery would apply in a one on one battle, many of his greatest talents aren't applicable. Some examples:

-His mind-dominating spells, which both seemingly require preparation, and demonstrably have little effect on a honed Force User.

-Powers like Dark Side Tendrils, which in all media we've seen them appear in require a nexus of Dark Side energy to properly apply.

-All of his penchants as an Alchemist--One of his more dangerous traits was his enhancement and influence over dangerous Sithspawn like Massassi and Terentateks, which are not present in such a battle.

Exar Kun does still have dangerous powers to put into play, inclusive of powerful telekinetic application and Force Lightning--But in both cases Tyranus is even greater. He does have the ability to conjure blasts of pure Dark Side energy, but their destructive potential outside of the Yavin IV Temples is difficult to measure. Regardless, a notable trait about Exar Kun is his tendency not to rely on his Force Powers, and instead prefers the art of lightsaber to lightsaber dueling--A contest I don't think he could win when faced with one of the most skilled duelists we've seen to date.

Everything considered, I'd say it's very possible that Exar Kun could have the dominant edge over Tyranus considering he is certainly the more powerful and has the wider range of talents, but much of what we've seen from him is at best only arguably applicable in a neutral, one on one confrontation.

Dooku is able to hold down Ventress with one finger, who if its true is able to cause caves to collapse and start avalanches, which is comparable to Kun's rage blast of destroying a portion of the Massassi temple.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Though I agree Kun wins this, Ant proved in his debate against Carthage that Kun can't just repeatedly spam his blasts.

Kun never spammed his blasts in any of his feats.

Originally posted by Sinious
He can't just keep dodging them and hope to stay on the offensive. Kun's display of blast and scream is above anything Dooku has done force wise. His other accomplishments also surpass him but you won't take it seriously since he didnt apply them in combat.

Also you use him feeding on the power of Luke's students but it shows how capable he is in the force.

IIRC that wasnt a force scream so much as a TP feat when he contacted Vodo. I could be wrong on that though

When Kun fell to the Dark-side it was felt by Vodo and the Jedi around him, I don't think he actually let out a force scream that was felt by the Jedi across the Galaxy. Then again I need to re-read that arc, I mostly remember everything from the Sith War since I own that part of the storyline and Kun didn't do anything that impressed me, Ulic did stuff that was more impressive. Guess since he's the apprentice he can be power-scaled and applied to Kun though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
In what way? As a member of the Banite lineage, he has one of the greatest wealths of Sith knowledge in the mythos, including the holocron of Darth Andeddu.

Just because he himself doesn't have a talent for such skills, much like Bane, that doesn't mean he doesn't have working knowledge of it.




I don't know the details of how much knowledge Sidious actually shared with him but I know that ancient sith sorcery is trickier than what Dooku has ever put up with. He will be facing unfamiliar tactics where Dooku has nothing on his hand to surprise Kun. Perhaps this wouldn't matter against Yoda as he is considerably more powerful but Dooku won't be so invulnerable.

Bane is much more powerful than Dooku though.



I understand your point. Its a solid one and its tricky for everyone to measure how capable Kun actually is. His TOTJ mind-domination isnt gonna help him here though I'm not sure if its impossible for him to apply his skills in JA here. I really have to check more detailedly.

Has Dooku ever used lightning against an opponent who is his equal or superior while in combat? Since Vitiate not using his best feats all the time is used against him, I don't see why him not using his best feats against Anakin shouldn't matter and even if he uses them, its all up to how much of his powers can Kun use in this combat. Perhaps its up to a little speculation.



Which suggests his high capability in dueling don't you think? Considering he never had trouble cause he relied on his saber skills. If he sees that Dooku has the upper hand, he can always summon force attacks too.




And I don't think it would be an easy fight for either of them yet believe Kun is very well capable of using his abilities since no specific information is stated against it.

Originally posted by carthage
IIRC that wasnt a force scream so much as a TP feat when he contacted Vodo. I could be wrong on that though

It is said that it was his force scream that spread around the galaxy.

Is this JA ghost nexus Kun or normal Kun?

JA Kun lolstomps Dooku
and Tales of the Jedi Kun loses in a good fight imo.

Im not sure what makes you think JA Kun is irrelevant to TOTJ Kun. He is buffed in certain areas but also is in a disadvantageous position in other ways.

Yeah, JA Kun needs a strong force-user to do anything.

Exar Kun.

lol. Exar Kun destroys him.

no...

JA Kun did not have a nexus amp.

I could quote dump if you like, he'd only be at full power in his human form, this is made quite clear, though I'm still searching for the quote, but I am 100% on it.

He didn't even have Force energy reserves, he had to borrow it in order to use his dark powers, which he knows in his human form. He didn't just spontaneously grow a new set of skills.

by all means.

Again when he died he was near fully dependent on a nexus amp, but if you could substantiate the claim that all of his feats were from his own ability i,e not an external source like Luke's Praxeum students or the Yavin temple nexus I'm curious.

The Massassi temples on Yavin were designed to focus dark side energy, were they not?

They were

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The Massassi temples on Yavin were designed to focus dark side energy, were they not?

Just wanted to let you know that Bane and Revan are officially the new darlings of Legends Canon and that while all of your favourite characters' storylines are now over, Revan's and Bane's are still ongoing and they will be getting new feats and new plotlines and new outfits for as long as TOR continues to get story updates.

Not Revan, Revan merely was intended to be in the Mortis trilogy but was cut officially. Bane however is canon.

Originally posted by appletonia
Just wanted to let you know that Bane and Revan are officially the new darlings of Legends Canon and that while all of your favourite characters' storylines are now over, Revan's and Bane's are still ongoing and they will be getting new feats and new plotlines and new outfits for as long as TOR continues to get story updates.

Stop now you're gonna make them cry.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Not Revan, Revan merely was intended to be in the Mortis trilogy but was cut officially. Bane however is canon.

Talking about the new story update for TOR involving Revan.

O, sorry did not know that. What did it say?

These apparently, haven't watched them myself. Nephthys or DarthAnt might know more about it.

watch?v=7szur1TFre8
watch?v=hqOMXGeSNG8

I'm curious to see how strong he has become

Apple, its basically that they made the Temple of the Ancients pretty massive now. So Bane destroying it later on is more impressive that it was before.

Yes I know but don't tell Tempest that.

Originally posted by appletonia
Just wanted to let you know that Bane and Revan are officially the new darlings of Legends Canon and that while all of your favourite characters' storylines are now over, Revan's and Bane's are still ongoing and they will be getting new feats and new plotlines and new outfits for as long as TOR continues to get story updates.

lol

watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=28SB39QTVPw#t=1887

"Our idea was that we wanted to see the Emperor and Vader just kicking ass together in ways we haven't seen before, because they're two really awesome, powerful guys."

http://media.tumblr.com/382b2e74510f0c02842e939ff5683e54/tumblr_inline_n8lo2mrqkx1rbt4gq.gif

I can't wait for that book, maybe they'll finally copulate and give birth to the child I've always wanted to see.

Ah, the tragedy of playing against Palps. He's the quintessential Star Wars villain, the most important and successful. Bane, Vitiate, Revan... all dust motes in comparison and no one's going to remember them in another 15 years.

Revan probably imo given how he came close to the next generation of SW fans.

Nah. No one cares about Revan except for a small pocket of heretics who will soon be wiped out. There's a reason people write books about Sidious kicking ass and why people at Celebration VI lose their shit when Sidious appears on a trailer, cackling and choking out b1tches. People love Sidious because he's smarter and stronger and better than everyone else. No one cares about the Banes, Vitiates, Nihiluses.

Apart from the storyline and the fact Sidious is a central figure in the OT/PT narrative, those "heretics" are en masse a large enveloping miasma of teenagers/young adults who are eagerly awaiting the next story arc for him. Does this make Revan as essential to the franchise as Sidious/Vader/Luke/Yoda, no- but does it earn him a spot among the pantheon (due to hype) it probably does to be frank.

That and the fact his figurine sells for like 50$ bucks on Ebay.

These are some pretty weak burns, Temp.

Those are burns right?

Indulge the blasphemers; let them prostrate themselves before their false god. They pale next to the enlightened masses who live in accordance to the truth.

The fact that you interpret these words to be insults is proof enough of your insecurity. You know I'm right. No one cares about Bane or Vitiate.

Except... you apparently. Since you feel the need to go out of your way to shit on them out of some fragile ego thing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except... you apparently. Since you feel the need to go out of your way to shit on them out of some fragile ego thing.

The only one of us who evinces irritability is you, my son. My words are gentle and compassionate; yours resonate with frustration. Your aura is clouded with anger.

You seem reluctant to acknowledge the obvious truth that Sidious is more important than the likes of Bane, Vitiate, and Nihilus.

I wish I could soothe you in this regard; but perhaps you should start liking cooler characters? 131

Nah, I'm having a good time watching the new Nostalgia Critic review. Nic Cage is crazy, man. But you sure seem buttmad about something shitting all over the forum. Mad I took down your dog i mean boy carthage?

This is all fictional stuff, bro. No one is important. Your inability to grasp that is quite sad.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, I'm having a good time watching the new Nostalgia Critic review. Nic Cage is crazy, man. But you sure seem buttmad about something shitting all over the forum. Mad I took down your dog i mean boy carthage?

This is all fictional stuff, bro. No one is important. Your inability to grasp that is quite sad.

> says fictional stuff is unimportant
> has spent 7+ years & 35k posts debating and arguing over "unimportant" stuff
> is demonstrably lying & angry

Conclusion:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/20201042.jpg

It never was important though. It's just a silly hobby.

Like, does it really matter which SW character beats which in a fight? Absolutely ****ing not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It never was important though. It's just a silly hobby.

Like, does it really matter which SW character beats which in a fight? Absolutely ****ing not.

> dedicates an enormous amount of time, effort, and energy across 7 years to a hobby
> arbitrarily declares hobby to be "unimportant" and concludes another poster has yet to grasp that "fact" because reasons
> also reprimands aforementioned poster for not dedicating more time, effort, and energy into the "unimportant" enterprise {my personal favorite!}
> denies being upset
> is, in fact, quite upset

the weird thing is how you obsessively want everyone to like Sidious as their favorite and declare him>>>>>everyone else. It's kinda weird tbh.

Only a loser would believe that any of this stuff actually matters or is important in any way. Which not-real character can beat which other not-real character is only as important as our own investment in it. In the grand scheme of things, its thoroughly unimportant. Next to real issues, its pointless.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
the weird thing is how you obsessively want everyone to like Sidious as their favorite and declare him>>>>>everyone else. It's kinda weird tbh.

mmm

You seem angry, my son. Did my words strike a resonant chord deep within?

http://i.imgur.com/T47zq8S.gif

nah... I take solace in the fact that there are at least four characters solidly more powerful than Sidious.

Come on guys, let's just get along.

Does it bother you that none of them are Bane?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which not-real character can beat which other not-real character is only as important as our own investment in it.

Your personal investment in an enterprise determines its import, yes? For example, it's evident that a man who dedicates 7+ years and 35k+ posts to arguing over which not-real character can beat which other not-real character has invested a great deal into such a discussion and therefore finds it important.

For that same person to arbitrarily scoff at such investment (and simultaneously scoff at another person for not currently committing to a comparable investment) seems peculiar and indicative of chronic butthurt.

tl;dr version: you're being absolutely silly and there's no way you can defend your position here. time to concede that you interpret my words to be taunting in nature and they've gotten you riled up.

still love you, though.

Damn, Tempest is just calling everyone out.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Does it bother you that none of them are Bane?
Bane is not actually my favorite character as a matter of fact. My favorite character however is above Sidious.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bane is not actually my favorite character as a matter of fact. My favorite character however is above Sidious.

http://www.banklawyersblog.com/.a/6a00d8341c652b53ef011168e57cea970c-800wi

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bane is not actually my favorite character as a matter of fact. My favorite character however is above Sidious.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140704082222/candy-crush-saga/images/d/df/Funny-Laughing-Meme-3.png

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Sith:
1. Bane
2. Plagueis
3. Sidious

M

Bane is my second favorite character, and my favorite character is not a Sith.

My favorite character is actually in fact the Son of Mortis.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bane is not actually my favorite character as a matter of fact. My favorite character however is above Sidious.

Is Tilotny your favourite character as well??

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bane is my second favorite character, and my favorite character is not a Sith.

My favorite character is actually in fact the Son of Mortis.

Saving face in order to hide your covert fanboyism in the face of Bane's obvious inadequacy in front of Sidious?

Coz that's totally not what you posted here, bro.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t601232.html

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Does it bother you that none of them are Bane?



Your personal investment in an enterprise determines its import, yes? For example, it's evident that a man who dedicates 7+ years and 35k+ posts to arguing over which not-real character can beat which other not-real character has invested a great deal into such a discussion and therefore finds it important.

For that same person to arbitrarily scoff at such investment (and simultaneously scoff at another person for not currently committing to a comparable investment) seems peculiar and indicative of chronic butthurt.

tl;dr version: you're being absolutely silly and there's no way you can defend your position here. time to concede that you interpret my words to be taunting in nature and they've gotten you riled up.

still love you, though.

Riiiight, except I can step back from my personal investment and objectively evaluate that this hobby isn't actually significant or important at all. This am I able to detach myself from it and freely admit that it really doesn't matter at all if Sidious is the best or most "important" or whatever the ****.

I wasn't scoffing at you, merely pointing out the fallacy of getting worked up over which character is more "important" than the others in a fictional world that has no real significance or relevance to real life at all. Its arguing over which imaginary person is betterer than the other imaginary people. It may be fun to do, but it's pretty silly act as if it's some big deal.

The only that's getting me marginally worked up, is your increasingly irritating habit of accusing me of being angry when I'm not. Stop it. It actually IS getting me annoyed.

Originally posted by carthage
Saving face in order to hide your covert fanboyism in the face of Bane's obvious inadequacy in front of Sidious?

Coz that's totally not what you posted here, bro.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t601232.html
The Son of Mortis is not a Jedi or Sith, therefore he does not fall on either of those lists.

And ever since the Mortis Trilogy came out, the Son has always been my favorite character.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Riiiight, except I can step back from my personal investment and objectively evaluate that this hobby isn't actually significant or important at all. This am I able to detach myself from it and freely admit that it really doesn't matter at all if Sidious is the best or most "important" or whatever the ****.

I wasn't scoffing at you, merely pointing out the fallacy of getting worked up over which character is more "important" than the others in a fictional world that has no real significance or relevance to real life at all. Its arguing over which imaginary person is betterer than the other imaginary people. It may be fun to do, but it's pretty silly act as if it's some big deal.

No one claimed that this or any of it was "objectively significant and/or important in the grand scheme of things."

It's strange how threads on here usually fall apart.

Then why did you have a problem with my statement that it wasn't important?

Also I edited. Please stop accusing me of being angry.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Son of Mortis is not a Jedi or Sith, therefore he does not fall on either of those lists.

And ever since the Mortis Trilogy came out, the Son has always been my favorite character.

Its hard not to like a character Sam Witwer voices.

Dooku is always judged unfairly, when put up against a sorcerer. Sorcery in combat hardly matters.

Mother Talzin showed all sorts of fancy stuff, yet, it doesn't put her above Sidious, who wasn't into sorcery at the time. She couldn't defeat Windu either, who people tend to lowball as well, when it comes to Force.

Dooku might not have done any omg rituals but he was powerful enough not to get ragdolled by Yoda.

Kun might have advantage from those Amulets but that doesn't prevent Dooku from catching him off guard with a Force choke or TK like he demonstrated on numerous occasions.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then why did you have a problem with my statement that it wasn't important?

Also I edited. Please stop accusing me of being angry.

Because it's as important in the relevant context as anything else. No one said it mattered offline.

I've never seen someone pride himself by being a legit troll. This is really weird.

He's right on the money, Neph is angry and he is just showing Neph's rage grow in all of its glory.

Oh and Kun still dies to Dooku

Whether Neph is angry or not doesn't matter. The fact that he admits he is desperately trying to make people mad over and over again with his each post proves what his role here is. I respect his knowledge which separates him from you but he prides himself with his trolling which makes him like you and that says a lot by itself.

Oh, I don't think so.

wtf

I'm not trolling.

Originally posted by Nephthys
wtf

You are officially a troll, it seems.

I was talking about The Tempest

Meant that whether he actually makes you mad or not is not the point here.

Originally posted by Sinious
I was talking about The Tempest

Why would you accuse Neph of trolling?

Originally posted by Nephthys
wtf

I'm not trolling.
Context is your friend.

Yeah rereading what you said, it's actually clear you meant him. Poor Neph lol

No Sinious is blatantly accusing Neph of trolling.

Neph vs Sinious

*Sinious has morals on
*Neph is bloodlusted

I don't have blood.

Is it on a nexus? Cause that makes a huge difference.

Does Neph get orbalisk armor?

Also Sinious might need prep because he is weak

I don't need prep. I can one-shot troll strike teams on daily basis.

You're not fighting a "Troll" strike team

You're fighting a bloodlusted Orbalisk Neph with prep.

LOL

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Context is your friend.

Context tells me you're in a fight with Neph

Hence why Trocity established the parameters here:

Originally posted by Trocity
Neph vs Sinious

*Sinious has morals on
*Neph is bloodlusted


How much context do you need in a fight to the death? You have morals on and you have the option of prep along with your nexus for rituals.

Trocity didn't say if there is a nexus or not though

There is indeed a nexus for this fight.

I don't think Neph can take Sinious's illusions.

Nexus doesn't exist in a setting where Neph fights.

Is Neph a wound in the force?

Why would he be? I see nothing to suggest he is anywhere else.

Dooku still destroying I see.

Originally posted by Trocity
Force - Kun
Sabers - Dooku
All Out - Kun

Just my opinion

Agreed.

Dooku still takes Kun with a degree of difficulty

Kun has a whole bag of tricks that would run rings around the Count any day of the week, i am creating a respect thread for Kun so he gets said respect.

Silver2467 already has one.

I think Silvers is missing some quotes from the TOTJ handbook. Also Ant had some quotes from SWF I remember, one where it states Kun had actually beaten Vodo multiple times before

And Vodo probably beat Exar even more times than that. There was some clear superiority going on in their first fight.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Silver2467 already has one.

Yes he does, but it is not complete I am afraid to say.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kun has a whole bag of tricks that would run rings around the Count any day of the week, i am creating a respect thread for Kun so he gets said respect.

Good, I was thinking the same. I can give you help if you want.