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Who wins? Going with Talon.

Well Talon is hotter.. so... she wins cause reasons.

Talon kicks his ass.

Kas'im needs a respect thread.

Kas'im

dies

of old age after killing Talon

He would've already been dead thousands of years before she even existed. Talon is a demonstrably better duelist, Kas'im has never beaten anyone with feats.

He dies.

Yea he only defeated one of the most powerful Sith lords alive at the time, who, according to you, had all of the advantages

Talon's actually beaten opponents, Kas'im is nothing but hype.

Congrats you just ignored me pointing out someone who Kas'im beat. Not acknowledging facts is one of your strong points

He didn't beat Trainee Bane, he got driven back, attacked again, and then got killed by Trainee Bane's nexus TK wave after failing to kill Bane with Jar kai sabers.

Please tell me how that means he can take on Talon, when he's never actually even won an all out duel against anyone.

Originally posted by carthage
He didn't beat Trainee Bane, he got driven back, attacked again, and then got killed by Trainee Bane's nexus TK wave after failing to kill Bane with Jar kai sabers.

Please tell me how that means he can take on Talon, when he's never actually even won an all out duel against anyone. I refuse to debate with you until you stop calling Bane a trainee and acknowledge him for what he was. On of the highest ranking dark lords of the Sith at the time. Fully trained

Just acknowledge the fact that Kas'im has never beaten anyone with feats, like you failed to do in the Bane vs. Krayt thread.

He has though. He stalemated Bane who was on of the most powerful Sith in the empire and according to you Bane had all the advantages and only beat him because of superior force strength

Kas'im.

Originally posted by carthage
dies

Originally posted by Nephthys
of old age after killing Talon

Talon is good, but not that good. Kas'im 360 no scopes her Lekku off

Also, Am i the only who thought of the insane theory someone made a while back on TOF after reading this? i lol'ed hard

inb4 carthage lowballs Kas'im by calling Bane a "trainee"

Inb4 Fated runs away from the thread and claims to concede to nothing.

Kas'im-sama.

gets killed by the duelist that actually beat people

Kas'im takes this one.

Originally posted by carthage
Inb4 Fated runs away from the thread and claims to concede to nothing.

http://www.memedonkey.com/pictures/thumbs/29/thumb-yoda-much-anger-i-sense-in-you-29826.jpg

You just mad that Tempest was wrecking you in that Sidious thread.

He didn't wreck me I wasn't even arguing with him lol.

He fears me.. and all that I represent..

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I refuse to debate with you until you stop calling Bane a trainee and acknowledge him for what he was. On of the highest ranking dark lords of the Sith at the time. Fully trained
Lol.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy

Also, Am i the only who thought of the insane theory someone made a while back on TOF after reading this? i lol'ed hard.

One of my greatest works. I should post that here.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I refuse to debate with you until you stop calling Bane a trainee and acknowledge him for what he was. On of the highest ranking dark lords of the Sith at the time. Fully trained

lol

I never asked Bantha to a debate, he just refuses to accept that Kas'im is fodder and that its hilarious people actually think he can beat Talon in spite of just barely holding on against Bane. Kas'im still has no showings to put him above Talon, as Bane is still less skilled than her to begin with (at that point) in his career as a Sith

Still haven't seen you concede that Bane isn't just a trainee

But Kas'im invented hundreds of new sequences for Lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by The Merchant
But Kas'im invented hundreds of new sequences for Lightsaber combat. don't waist your energy typing hun. I already tried this approach, Carthage doesn't care about Kas'im's "technical skill", as he calls it

Because Kas'im's technical skill doesn't make him a skilled duelist lmao.

Those are two different things.

I will remember that if you ever try and bring up a characters accolades in a debate

Wh-what's the difference Carthage-san?

The difference is, if you count Kas'im accolades, he can't refute that Kas'im is great and by extension Bane. And Carthage HATES Darth bane

Kas'im has only Bane's opinion and Kas'im's technical knowledge isn't the same as his showings in dueling in which he has nil apart from failing to kill Bane.

IDK. The most impressive person in the whole of Bane's era was Raskta to me at least. And I wouldn't place her above Adi Gallia or Luminara Unduli.

Technical skill means little. You can learn and master every technique by the book and still get bitten by someone who knows a few techniques but has better experience and talent at utilizing them effectively.

Yeah but Kas'im was using that skill to teach a large number of students to go to war. He can't be all that bad.

Which is kind of what happened, the only reason Bane even lost that duel was because of Kas'im's utilization of Jar Kai. He probably could've beaten him by virtue of the nexus and his familiarity with all aspects of Kas'im's style. Not a notable victory but it would've looked better on paper than only beating featless trainees

Except Kas'im was the greatest warrior of the Sith to the point where people laughed at the suggestion of being on his level. And he obviously knew how to use his skills effectively, considering he mastered every inch of the forms and created sequences and moves for them, not to mention that fought with Bane over and over again so its not as if he doesn't know how to freaking fight.

Kas'im should beat Talon really based on his accolades. Never really considered Talon all that great, good but not amazing.

You think Kas'im was stronger than Kaan?

Hmmm, interesting. I think Kaan could beat Kas'im/

Originally posted by NewGuy01
You think Kas'im was stronger than Kaan?

Githany laughed in Kaan's face at the suggestion that anyone could beat Bane after he'd defeated Kas'im and the dude didn't object. I've no doubt Kaan could likely control him with his telepathy though.

And Githany wasn't even aware of Kas'im's full skill and ability when she said that. And she was practically orgasming at Kaan's power when she said that to his face.

Exactly. Kas'im was, quite clearly, under Kaan's mental influence. How exactly could he even fight him?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except Kas'im was the greatest warrior of the Sith to the point where people laughed at the suggestion of being on his level. And he obviously knew how to use his skills effectively, considering he mastered every inch of the forms and created sequences and moves for them, not to mention that fought with Bane over and over again so its not as if he doesn't know how to freaking fight.

Except knowing how to fight doesn't make him better than Talon who has beaten individuals with their own showings .

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Exactly. Kas'im was, quite clearly, under Kaan's mental influence. How exactly could he even fight him?

I said Kas'im was the Sith's greatest warrior, which would still be true even if Kaan could control his mind. Mental influence ain't got nothing to do with it.

My friend yesterday competed at amateur kick boxing. Won first fight and lost second. Both his opponents had right foot forward, when orthodox posture is left foot forward. Seemingly small difference but it got him completely off guard as all his combos and defense were designed to counter orthodox fighters and he had no unorthodox sparring partners.

While it is very impressive for Bane to hold his own in that situation, it is equally unimpressive for Kasim to be unable to make a short work of a less skilled opponent even with unknown style advantage.

Originally posted by carthage
Except knowing how to fight doesn't make him better than Talon who has beaten individuals with their own showings .

Knowing how to fight better than Talon does though. His mastery of all forms gives him a decisive advantage.

Originally posted by Arhael
My friend yesterday competed at amateur kick boxing. Won first fight and lost second. Both his opponents had right foot forward, when orthodox posture is left foot forward. Seemingly small difference but it got him completely off guard as all his combos and defense were designed to counter orthodox fighters and he had no unorthodox sparring partners.

While it is very impressive for Bane to hold his own in that situation, it is equally unimpressive for Kasim to be unable to make a short work of a less skilled opponent even with unknown style advantage.

Originally posted by Arhael
My friend yesterday competed at amateur kick boxing. Won first fight and lost second. Both his opponents had right foot forward, when orthodox posture is left foot forward. Seemingly small difference but it got him completely off guard as all his combos and defense were designed to counter orthodox fighters and he had no unorthodox sparring partners.

While it is very impressive for Bane to hold his own in that situation, it is equally unimpressive for Kasim to be unable to make a short work of a less skilled opponent even with unknown style advantage.

Lightsaber fighting is a bit different from kickboxing when you factor in precognition and the power of the Force. Bane was more powerful than Kas'im and could still use the force to predict his attacks, so of course he wasn't completely demolished and was able to retreat.

I don't think you should real-life examples in general.

Yeah, but even before then there was no real clear advantage in the saber duel. Bane held his own due to familiarity with Kas'ims style, and Kas'im couldn't best him due to his own incompetence/Bane's knowledge of his form.

Originally posted by The Merchant
I don't think you should real-life examples in general.

this, so much of this.

Originally posted by carthage
Yeah, but even before then there was no real clear advantage in the saber duel. Bane held his own due to familiarity with Kas'ims style, and Kas'im couldn't best him due to his own incompetence/Bane's knowledge of his form.

You keep bringing this up as if Kas'im wasn't the one who taught Bane everything he knew and also had familiarity with Bane's form. Bane's knowledge of Kas'im's style (not that he actually had a style so much as he had every style) was mentioned as the reason Kas'im couldn't turn the fight around against Bane's power advantage, not actually as an advantage of Bane's:

"The outcome was inevitable. Bane was simply too strong in the Force. Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas'im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now. Over the course of his training Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all."

And since Bane was freaking winning I'm pretty sure the advantage was his.

Cade Talon wins. Superior feats in nearly every category. Losing to a Bane that would have got killed by Skreev is not impressive.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Cade wins. Superior feats in nearly every category. Losing to a Bane that would have got killed by Skreev is not impressive.

This isn't Cade Vs Kas'im you moron. :facepalm:

Even worse considering he's the OP...

I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further.
Replace Cade with Talon and my point still stands pretty firm.

His familiarity of Bane's form wasn't enough to give him any advantage, hence his ridiculously low showing of resorting to Jar Kai. His skill wasn't enough to utterly take Bane out, I mean the guy knows "every style" yet can't devise a new form to kill Bane or come up with something expected? Ok.

Talon is still the better duelist given her showings against Vao and Sazen, Kas'im has nothing to compare at the end of the day. His skill wasn't enough to kill an early Darth Bane, and it won't be enough to beat a more skilled duelist.

Talon casually beat Vao and Sazen, who in returned slaughtered literally an army of Sith Warriors.
Unless Kas'im has got feats I am not aware of, her combat abilities vastly outstrips a Skreev.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Talon casually beat Vao and Sazen, who in returned slaughtered literally an army of Sith Warriors.
Unless Kas'im has got feats I am not aware of, her combat abilities vastly outstrips a Skreev.

How many of those Sith warriors have actual feats that represent a level of power and skill comparable to that of Banes?(cue the"featless" remark from Carthage) Talon is good, but not that good.

Originally posted by carthage
His familiarity of Bane's form wasn't enough to give him any advantage, hence his ridiculously low showing of resorting to Jar Kai. His skill wasn't enough to utterly take Bane out, I mean the guy knows "every style" yet can't devise a new form to kill Bane or come up with something expected? Ok.

Talon is still the better duelist given her showings against Vao and Sazen, Kas'im has nothing to compare at the end of the day. His skill wasn't enough to kill an early Darth Bane, and it won't be enough to beat a more skilled duelist.

It would give him the exact same advantage that Bane got, he knew how to counter and nullify all of Bane's moves. It's just that since Bane was more powerful, he was able to do that better. And goddamn these double standards. You shit on Bane for not being able to beat Kas'im through skill and now you shit on Kas'im for not being able to take Bane out through skill, suggesting he should have invented a new ****ing form on the fly while in a lightsaber fight. Jesus, I don't know why even a single person takes you seriously.

Kas'im is a better duelist because he lightsaber mastery far eclipses Talon's. Talon got easily pwned by a trainee Cade, she sucks!1!1

Originally posted by Nephthys
And goddamn these double standards.

http://ipo.totfarm.com/pics/pic_11987776143935.jpg

I know right? I love being able to point out double standards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It would give him the exact same advantage that Bane got, he knew how to counter and nullify all of Bane's moves. It's just that since Bane was more powerful, he was able to do that better. And goddamn these double standards. You shit on Bane for not being able to beat Kas'im through skill and now you shit on Kas'im for not being able to take Bane out through skill, suggesting he should have invented a new ****ing form on the fly while in a lightsaber fight. Jesus, I don't know why even a single person takes you seriously.

Kas'im is a better duelist because he lightsaber mastery far eclipses Talon's. Talon got easily pwned by a trainee Cade, she sucks!1!1

Excuses, Excuses. For all of your harping of Kas'im's skill and going on about irrelevant tangents. She still beat Vao and Sazen whereas Kas'im beat no one. Like it or not she is the demonstrably better duelist, whereas Kas'ims skill as a duelist is lacking as technical mastery isn't the same as dueling skill. Which you forget every time and think technical skill is an adequate replacement. You have no problem bashing Drallig who was fighting an infinitely superior duelist in Anakin, but will fellate over Kas'im due to his involvement with Bane. Now who has the obvious double standards? Jesus, I don't know why even a single person takes you seriously

Also lmfao @ Bashing Bane when I stated he could've likely beaten Kas'im if he didn't use Jar Kai:

Originally posted by carthage
Which is kind of what happened, the only reason Bane even lost that duel was because of Kas'im's utilization of Jar Kai. He probably could've beaten him by virtue of the nexus and his familiarity with all aspects of Kas'im's style.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I know right? I love being able to point out double standards.

It's obvious you don't like being on the receiving end of them, though.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/27800000/Grinch-Smile-GIF-the-grinch-27844611-500-363.gif

You gunna take that Neph?

Originally posted by The Merchant
You gunna take that Neph?

From me? Yes. That's what people do.

From carthage? Probably not.

Neph is mad because Kas'im has no dueling feats to put him above Talon who has beaten Vao and Sazen. So instead he goes on irrelevant analyses of Kas'ims technical mastery as if it makes up for his lack of showings as a duelist

Lol

Technical mastery is a decisive advantage only when combatants are comparable with the Force. Or, I suppose, if the other guy is a complete and total greenie. The Inquisitor is a great example of a guy who's clearly a technical master (dude is so familiar with the combat forms that he can identify a form and it's specific instructor after a brief exchange) but, per Filoni, he'd get wrecked by Obi-Wan.

Huh, you know those are pretty valid points.

Originally posted by carthage
Excuses, Excuses. For all of your harping of Kas'im's skill and going on about irrelevant tangents. She still beat Vao and Sazen whereas Kas'im beat no one. Like it or not she is the demonstrably better duelist, whereas Kas'ims skill as a duelist is lacking as technical mastery isn't the same as dueling skill. Which you forget every time and think technical skill is an adequate replacement. You have no problem bashing Drallig who was fighting an infinitely superior duelist in Anakin, but will fellate over Kas'im due to his involvement with Bane. Now who has the obvious double standards? Jesus, I don't know why even a single person takes you seriously

Also lmfao @ Bashing Bane when I stated he could've likely beaten Kas'im if he didn't use Jar Kai:

I'm not making any excuses, theres nothing to excuse. Nice of you to concede on your incorrect point about Bane's familiarity of Kas'im style though. Your standards of people only being good if they beat someone holds no water for me, so Talon isn't the demonstrably better duelist. Kas'im is, since he demonstrably has a stronger grasp of lightsaber combat than her.

I don't bash Drallig, I just say that he clearly can't compete with high level duelists so his technical mastery is rendered irrelevant, like Tempest said. Kas'im has no problems on that front since his speed, power and combat ability allows him to compete. He was the best Sith Warrior of the brotherhood, while Drallig was just a good instructor. Nice try though.

I'm talking about you bashing him in another thread, child.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
How many of those Sith warriors have actual feats that represent a level of power and skill comparable to that of Banes?(cue the"featless" remark from Carthage) Talon is good, but not that good.
I don't think I can respond to this post without either quoting Tempest's double-standards picture or being grossly omniscient. :mmm:
That being said, they display blurs with their lightsaber blades (speed), and are powerful enough for some of them to be Darths, such as Darth Havok.
Taking on and defeating dozens of Sith Warriors while simultaneously avoiding lightsaber blades and force attacks everywhere and forming attacks of your own is impressive.
In addition, many showed skill in Jar'kai and intense acrobatic feats. Bane has really no feats at this point to suggest he can handle all these Sith Warriors, let alone Darth Talon.

I'm glad they hold no water to you, seeing as how I go by showings and all you do is wank. Kas'im's technical mastery mean nothing to me by the same extension, Talon is a better duelist because she has the feats to back it up-whereas Kas'im has all hype and hot air. If Kas'im is the "better duelist" than prove it with people he's beaten, that's the same challenge I issued to Bantha and it applies to you as well



They're both blademasters:check, they're both knowledgeable of most aspects of lightsaber combat: check, Kas'im is from Bane's era, has just as few showings as a duelist/is equally hyped as Drallig yet even as lauded as a "warrior" has killed no one but you dismiss Drallig because he's PT and didn't fight Bane: CHECK

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't think I can respond to this post without either quoting Tempest's double-standards picture or being grossly omniscient. :mmm:
That being said, they display blurs with their lightsaber blades (speed), and are powerful enough for some of them to be Darths, such as Darth Havok.
Taking on and defeating dozens of Sith Warriors while simultaneously avoiding lightsaber blades and force attacks everywhere and forming attacks of your own is impressive.
In addition, many showed skill in Jar'kai and intense acrobatic feats. Bane has really no feats at this point to suggest he can handle all these Sith Warriors, let alone Darth Talon.
And, I'm also confused over why you imply I am defending carthage in this position, and in return try to use his arguments against me.
It's illogical because 1.) I didn't read his arguments. 2.) I'm not allowed to agree with him atm (sigh). 3.) You are doing some big DS of your own.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't think I can respond to this post without either quoting Tempest's double-standards picture or being grossly omniscient. :mmm:
That being said, they display blurs with their lightsaber blades (speed), and are powerful enough for some of them to be Darths, such as Darth Havok.
Taking on and defeating dozens of Sith Warriors while simultaneously avoiding lightsaber blades and force attacks everywhere and forming attacks of your own is impressive.
In addition, many showed skill in Jar'kai and intense acrobatic feats. Bane has really no feats at this point to suggest he can handle all these Sith Warriors, let alone Darth Talon.

Other than obliterating a massive temple, disintegrating people with lightning, ragdolling Qordis, resisting Kaan when a hundred Sith Lords couldn't, moving fast enough that a room of the best Sith apprentices in the empire couldn't see him and defeating the best Sith of his era.

All nexus feats (apart from the Qoordis thing) and Kaan's resistance feat. And regarding Bane's nexus temple feat, Revan's ships already leveled massive portions of it with blaster bolts. Bane destroyed nothing put randomly strewn piles of rubble

Originally posted by Nephthys
Other than obliterating a massive temple, disintegrating people with lightning, moving fast enough that a room of the best Sith apprentices in the empire couldn't see him and defeating the best Sith of his era.
I'm betting money Fated won't call you out on the same argument he called me out on. :mmm: Who knows, maybe he will surprise us?

I edited in some moar feats. I don't know how you could suggest that Bane couldn't handle some fodder Sith, by the time of the Kas'im fight he was clearly the most powerful Sith alive and the best fighter to boot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I edited in some moar feats. I don't know how you could suggest that Bane couldn't handle some fodder Sith, by the time of the Kas'im fight he was clearly the most powerful Sith alive and the best fighter to boot.
Ik. I'm studying for a Rome exam tomorrow, so I can't really emerge into a full-scale debate.
That being said, I'm just hanging around to see if Fated blames you for what he blamed me.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't think I can respond to this post without either quoting Tempest's double-standards picture or being grossly omniscient. :mmm:

If you're referring to me and the Reborn, that accolade comes directly from the Sith Vs Jedi essential guide, and I never stated that the Reborn are equal to someone like malak.



Not to lowball your feat, but a lot of people do that in comics, plus, there's nothing to suggest that all of them have such speed, just because one or two guys moved in blurs during a part of the comics, doesn't mean they all can.



It's impressive, their is strength in numbers. However just how skilled would these Sith warriors be?



Except you know, being taught everything by Kas'im - almost everything and then beating him back at the temple of ancients.

Being taught by Kas'im isn't a feat lmao, beating two skilled Jedi like Sazen and Vao are two feats that put Talon above Kas'im.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
If you're referring to me and the Reborn, that accolade comes directly from the Sith Vs Jedi essential guide, and I never stated that the Reborn are equal to someone like malak.



Not to lowball your feat, but a lot of people do that in comics, plus, there's nothing to suggest that all of them have such speed, just because one or two guys moved in blurs during a part of the comics, doesn't mean they all can.



It's impressive, their is strength in numbers. However just how skilled would these Sith warriors be?



Except you know, being taught everything by Kas'im - almost everything and then beating him back at the temple of ancients.
Aha! He didn't. Essentially, I'm going to just quote Nephthys here as a response and see if he gets where I am going with this:
Originally posted by Nephthys
Other than obliterating a massive temple, disintegrating people with lightning, ragdolling Qordis, resisting Kaan when a hundred Sith Lords couldn't, moving fast enough that a room of the best Sith apprentices in the empire couldn't see him and defeating the best Sith of his era.

Wait Neph, I'm not allowed to do a Fated vs Fated debate, right? Or am I allowed to do that?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lightsaber fighting is a bit different from kickboxing when you factor in precognition and the power of the Force. Bane was more powerful than Kas'im and could still use the force to predict his attacks, so of course he wasn't completely demolished and was able to retreat.
It was just an example. If you want SW example, then you should go no farther, than Jaina getting owned by Boba Fett during training.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ik. I'm studying for a Rome exam tomorrow, so I can't really emerge into a full-scale debate.
That being said, I'm just hanging around to see if Fated blames you for what he blamed me.

It's simple logic bro. The students at Bane's academy were said to be as powerful and skilled as fully fledged Sith Lords, and Bane was far and away better than any of them when he left. Yet Kas'im still judged his abilities as such that he was surprised when he couldn't blitz Bane off the bat. So it's pretty darn clear that Kas'im and Bane were far above the rank and file Sith that you're talking about and could easily do what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's simple logic bro. The students at Bane's academy were said to be as powerful and skilled as fully fledged Sith Lords, and Bane was far and away better than any of them when he left. Yet Kas'im still judged his abilities as such that he was surprised when he couldn't blitz Bane off the bat. So it's pretty darn clear that Kas'im and Bane were far above the rank and file Sith that you're talking about and could easily do what you're talking about.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ik. I'm studying for a Rome exam tomorrow, so I can't really emerge into a full-scale debate.
That being said, I'm just hanging around to see if Fated blames you for what he blamed me.

Or you could just disagree and not make a big deal out of it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm just hanging around to see if Fated blames you for what he blamed me.

There's a difference, the Sith warriors move a blur typical of comics, they didn't move too fast for Shado or the other dude to see, while Kas'im has struck ten times per second(cue the nexus screams) and moved faster than any in the sith academy could perceive.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
There's a difference, the Sith warriors move a blur typical of comics, they didn't move too fast for Shado or the other dude to see, while Kas'im has struck ten times per second(cue the nexus screams) and moved faster than any in the sith academy could perceive.
That's not what I was referring to, Kitty.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Or you could just disagree and not make a big deal out of it.
Ight, I'll do that. See, striving to be better.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
There's a difference, the Sith warriors move a blur typical of comics, they didn't move too fast for Shado or the other dude to see, while Kas'im has struck ten times per second(cue the nexus screams) and moved faster than any in the sith academy could perceive.

How do you know he can even replicate combat speed like that at any point? What makes him faster than Talon moving in a blur? Where Kas'im trained Bane was specifically mentioned by Qoordis to focus darkside energies, and Lehon where he fought Bane was a potent darkside nexus. You can't ignore any of that.

Oh you did reply.

Originally posted by carthage
I'm glad they hold no water to you, seeing as how I go by showings and all you do is wank. Kas'im's technical mastery mean nothing to me by the same extension, Talon is a better duelist because she has the feats to back it up-whereas Kas'im has all hype and hot air. If Kas'im is the "better duelist" than prove it with people he's beaten, that's the same challenge I issued to Bantha and it applies to you as well



They're both blademasters:check, they're both knowledgeable of most aspects of lightsaber combat: check, Kas'im is from Bane's era, has just as few showings as a duelist/is equally hyped as Drallig yet even as lauded as a "warrior" has killed no one but you dismiss Drallig because he's PT and didn't fight Bane: CHECK

Pffft, typical carthage. I don't care about your dumb challenge. And I don't go by wank, you go by lowball. It's not hot air that Kas'im really did master every aspect of lightsaber combat (and he specifically proves that his skills in actual combat were still excellent at one point, so don't go on about him lacking real combat skill, lol), that he really did have a good enough grasp of them to invent thousands of sequences based on them and he clearly was a warrior above all other Sith of his time.

Lmao. They have legs: check. Wow, they are similar. No, carthage. Theres no point continuing this.

Weh

Originally posted by carthage
What makes him faster than Talon moving in a blur?

Kopecz ran down a hallway and killed an entire squad of the Republic's best troops before all but one could fire more than once. And Kas'im is better than him by a fair bit.

Dismissing comics speed example, yet, fully embracing example from an author that over-wankes every character of his by default. What an irony.

I dont think Carthage is willing to admit that Bane isn't just a trainee

All this just to say Kas'im has no dueling feats to place him over Talon? How is it lowballing to say that Kas'im has beaten no one on par with Vao or Sazen? You literally bring up Kas'im's "lightsaber mastery" every time, that doesn't make him a better duelist it just means he knows more forms. You literally fail miserably every time at making that distinction, whether willingly or unwillingly it doesn't really matter. It's not lowballing to state Kas'im has no showings as a duelist to compare, it's a statement of fact which seems lost on everyone but you and DMB.



Didn't you just state he couldn't do the same in combat against Bane in spite of his supposedly 00BER technical master. LMFAO. Talk about willful ignorance

facepalm2

Originally posted by carthage
How do you know he can even replicate combat speed like that at any point? What makes him faster than Talon moving in a blur? Where Kas'im trained Bane was specifically mentioned by Qoordis to focus darkside energies, and Lehon where he fought Bane was a potent darkside nexus. You can't ignore any of that.

Yet, the Jedi temple is said to be a powerful nexus as well, Yoda and Mace must have gotten big amps when dealing with Sidious, Dantooine is supposedly a light side Nexus, so i guess all of Mace's feat on there are all Nexus feats. If we apply that logic to bane, then we should apply it to everyone as well, Kolar, tiin and Fisto were on corousant, so they had to be amped, yet they lost to Sidious? what plebs!!


That was sarcasm btw.
Nothing says that Bane was drawing on a Nexus, nor does it state anything for Kas'im doing the same thing and if that were the case - that's a big "if", they would both be equally amplified by the nexus' "supposed" energies

#Getwrecked

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's not what I was referring to, Kitty.

Then be clear on what you think my "alleged" double-standards are.

You don't need to draw on a nexus to get amped, just look at at Whie's example on Vjun in Dark Rendezvous . He never "drew" on it and even admitted if it wasn't for the nexus on Vjun he couldn't manipulate a skeleton as easily


-Dark Rendezvous


It's not an "if" Kas'im and Bane were amped, and Kas'im's speed on Lehon is not something he can replicate at any point offworld.


#getcorrected

Also with regards to the Jedi temple, is there even such a thing as a lightsided nexus? I always thought of it as being a neutral one, no matter really.

Nothing in that quote implies Whie wasn't drawing on the nexus on purpose.

There is nothing say he was drawing on it at all, just that he was amped in the presence regardless lol.

Even Scout who was weak in the force was made stronger there.

The notion that you have to "Draw on it" is nonsense you use to cling desperately to the notion Bane wasn't amped for his Nexus temple feat/all of his feats in general on nexuses

If they have midichlorians, they are getting amped by the concentrated energies.
They have midichlorians, and hence were amped.

Originally posted by carthage
There is nothing say he was drawing on it at all, just that he was amped in the presence regardless lol.

Hence why it's a pointless example to bring up. It doesn't indicate anything one way or the other.

Originally posted by Nephthys
http://payload.cargocollective.com/1/2/88042/1097272/grasping%20at%20straws.jpg

He even said he would have to concentrate harder to do it off world, indicating that without the amp it would be harder. He was amped regardless, and no there is no evidence he had to "Draw on the power" at all. He even credits his ability to lift them due to being on the nexus. You have no case

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If they have midichlorians, they are getting amped by the concentrated energies.
They have midichlorians, and hence were amped.

Would that mean that Revan was drawing on the power of the SF, the dark energies of Lehon, the dark power of Korriban and the energies of Dromund Kass? If they all have Midi-chlorians and they are in a place of concentrated energy, then everyone would be amped by Nexus'

Another one:

"This planet is a Dark Side conduit. A call on the Force brings forth an exponential flood!"

-Darth Sidious, on Byss

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Would that mean that Revan was drawing on the power of the SF, the dark energies of Lehon, the dark power of Korriban and the energies of Dromund Kass? If they all have Midi-chlorians and they are in a place of concentrated energy, then everyone would be amped by Nexus'
Your proving my argument without knowing it. Rather instead here, Revan would be hindered by Darkside energies since he calls on the Lightside of the Force.

He calls on both.

Not in KotOR (now with the new expansion).

Revan is a joke tbh. "He calls on the dark side now, now he calls on the light, now he calls on both, now he rides unicorns and farts rainbows." They keep dicking with his character because he is a money maker but in doing so they have ruined him

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Revan is a joke tbh. "He calls on the dark side now, now he calls on the light, now he calls on both, now he rides unicorns and farts rainbows." They keep dicking with his character because he is a money maker but in doing so they have ruined him

Yeah, pretty much all of this

Originally posted by Nephthys
He calls on both.

and this.

I accept your concession.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I accept your concession.

I concede nothing. plus, even if i did believe the"he was LS" point you made, there is also Dromund Kass

Two ways we can continue this:
1.) We can have a debate on KotOR Revan and what energies he drew off of. You will lose the debate and time.
2.) You concede on what energies we drew on, and I will make a statement covering Revan in Kaas City.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Two ways we can continue this:
1.) We can have a debate on KotOR Revan and what energies he drew off of. You will lose the debate and time.

Accept, pumpkin, I'm merely applying that flawed nexus! logic to Revan as an example, I've said it time and time again, I won't believe that "Bane drew on a Nexus!1" unless it was stated specifically by the author in novel or a SW source(I.e Essential guide) I am not one to use the Nexus argument, and you know that.



First off. I think you mean "he" I don't remember being in the SW universe :mmm:

Secondly, read the statement above. by your logic, simply by being in a Nexus makes one instinctively draw on it, that would also apply to Revan in this case as well. I reiterate, i was using Revan as an example.

Honestly, I thought you'd get that i was doing that, considering i was using B-team and many others as examples also in regards to both of those two statement. "In your dreams."

I'm reading your post trying to determine if your trolling or just ignoring canon. Care to clarify?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm reading your post trying to determine if your trolling or just ignoring canon. Care to clarify?

Care to specify?

Because I read your post 4 times and had no clue what you were saying other then statements that were false.

I think it makes sense that if someone is on a powerful Force nexus then they would instinctively get some amp from it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because I read your post 4 times and had no clue what you were saying other then statements that were false.

If you're referring to my statement that included B-team, i was mocking Carthage's flawed logic and applying to other characters. Also, it would help if you, you know, specified which post you're referring to.

I couldn't even understand what you were trying to say with the B-Team. Sorry.

http://r28.imgfast.net/users/2811/36/97/52/smiles/3510670175.gif

Forget it , just.. just go look at the Revan posters and shirts.

Even though i literally just explained what I was trying to do, but whatevsies.

I am, and you didn't.

Originally posted by carthage
He even said he would have to concentrate harder to do it off world, indicating that without the amp it would be harder. He was amped regardless, and no there is no evidence he had to "Draw on the power" at all. He even credits his ability to lift them due to being on the nexus. You have no case

Yes.... that's how an amp works. I'm not saying he wasn't amped, the issue is whether he was amped automatically or by drawing on it. The text makes no mention either way. So I have no case because there is no case because this isn't evidence that actually proves anything.

But I can post evidence too:

"He called upon the power of the temple itself, feeding on it to bolster his own abilities as he created a deadly field around his body." - Dynasty of Evil.

Seems pretty clear that Bane's consciously calling upon the nexus when he hadn't been before that point.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am, and you didn't.

If you're referring to my statement that included B-team, i was mocking Carthage's flawed logic and applying to other characters. Also, it would help if you, you know, specified which post you're referring to.

Honestly, I thought you'd get that i was doing that, considering i was using B-team and many others as examples

Point numero uno: I was using that flawed logic that Carthage is known for and applying to other characters in a similar fashion, foolish and mocking fashion.

Point numero dos: I cited, Mace Windu's fight with the droid army on Dantooine, Yoda, Mace and B-team being in close proximity to the Jedi temple in their respective fights against Grevious as pure examples and applied said flawed logic to them.

Point numero tres: I never use or cling to the Nexus argument, I don't even mention it in my respect thread even though i could so easily do it and wank Jaden even more, I've acknowledged when a character has used a Nexus, because it's been specifically stated by the book, the sw source or the character him/her/itself. You know this, i was simply using Revan, yoda and Mace as examples and applying that logic to them.

Are we clear or do I need to write a bigger essay? whatever the case, this was just to explain and clarify what i was trying to do, don't reply to this.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm reading your post and trying to have determined your trolling or just ignoring canon.

Still love you though. <3

It doesn't really matter either way. If you're drawing on the Force on a nexus, you're drawing on the nexus. A nexus is not an object or a container, it's just an area where the Force itself is unusually strong. That is it's definition.

None of the Bane fans want to believe that though

Originally posted by NewGuy01
It doesn't really matter either way. If you're drawing on the Force on a nexus, you're drawing on the nexus. A nexus is not an object or a container, it's just an area where the Force itself is unusually strong. That is it's definition.
Precisely.

They're looking for them stating the obvious that they're "drawing on the power of the nexus" similar to the post Bane made of Bane on Prakith. Overlooking the fact that merely the act of using the force, in an area of strong force concentration (nexus) while amped by said energies is 'drawing on it'. I think that's where the misunderstanding lies with the issue.

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Bane fans cried out in denial.

Well they're specifically asking for the text to saying "Drawing on the nexus", as if its some inert substance they can tap into at will. Which is ridiculous because I've posted text where Bane always states that he's in a place 'strong in the darkside'- or in another similar context. They don't have to state that they're "Drawing on it" all you have to do is use the force in an area of strong concentration of it- and you're using it (the nexus).

I love how despite me clarifying my intentions. You persist with that Ant. I also find it hilarious how the guy who uses a Video Game guide as a way to make an argument says I ignore Canon, when he uses a Non-canon source.

*double-standards intensify*

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*double-standards intensify*

http://www.lily.fi/sites/lily/files/user/7909/2014/04/rolleyes.gif

It'll take a lot more than that to rile me up, but do keep trying pumpkin.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
http://www.lily.fi/sites/lily/files/user/7909/2014/04/rolleyes.gif

It'll take a lot more than that to rile me up, but do keep trying pumpkin.
We have honestly reached a point where you insult members more then I insult members.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We have honestly reached a point where you insult members more then I insult members.

Nope. That point will never be reached.

Actually, I might just do a tally. In the last 3-5 days, I can guarantee he insulted more then I do.
Give me an hour to gather up all the posts and count. This will be a day long remembered.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Actually, I might just do a tally. In the last 3-5 days, I can guarantee he insulted more then I do.
Give me an hour to gather up all the posts and count. This will be a day long remembered.

Provoking people so they insult you is pretty pitiful.

I didn't even provoke Fated, though.

Jack, your making me out to be the bad guy here.
I'm just tired of the "your a dick" statements from Fated when I'm not even being a dick and he is.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't think I can respond to this post without either quoting Tempest's double-standards picture or being grossly omniscient. :mmm:

Comments like this one are definitely necessary.