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Both at the height of their power

Setting: Kamino, where Vader fought Starkiller

Who wins?

Kun has some good accolades but so does Vader and has better feats as well. I say Vader wins.

Yeah, Vader in a close ass fight.

Kun. Vader's not winning a duel or a Force contest with him. Nor any combination of those things.

Nah, Vader's TK feats are better than Kun's force blasts and he's shown to be faster than Kun as well.

Vader's TK may start out as better than Kun's blasts, but his blasts double in power with each attack. And Kun has really impressive defenses iirc. And nah, I'd say Kun is faster than Vader, based on his Ulic fight.

Wha? Why his Ulic fight?

Vader has been stated to move faster than thought and was so fast that only beings like Yoda could percieve him IIRC. His TK allowed him to crush huge droids and casually send giant monsters flying side-ways just by casually swinging his arm. He also broke Phrik, and unbreakable metal that was so tough that when Aldeeran was destroyed that stuff remained intact.

Vader in a good fight also

Isn't the Yoda comparison thing just Ferus Olin saying that Vader is the fastest Force User he's ever seen in combat, except from Yoda?

Maybe, don't remember the quote all that well. Still pretty impressive since Ferus has seen many duelists, including Anakin before he became Vader, fight.

Originally posted by ILS
Wha? Why his Ulic fight?

Ulic is fast.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Vader has been stated to move faster than thought and was so fast that only beings like Yoda could percieve him IIRC. His TK allowed him to crush huge droids and casually send giant monsters flying side-ways just by casually swinging his arm. He also broke Phrik, and unbreakable metal that was so tough that when Aldeeran was destroyed that stuff remained intact.

Faster than thought is obviously hyperbolic. Ulic's moved fast enough to appear in multiple places at once and that was far before his prime where Kun stalemated him. Vader's speed is also really inconsistent.

Kun has created force barriers capable of repelling bombing runs. That's some impressive defense in my opinion. Vader won't be getting through his barriers before Kun amulet-owns him.

Source for Vader breaking Phrik? Kun has also broken through a wall of Mandalorian Iron.

All this talk of physical strength just got me thinking.

Grievous' blows were as forceful as any Mace Windu had ever had to block in LoE.

That includes Yoda.

I doubt Yoda went all out on him.

Yoda physically overpowered Sidious in a saberlock. The same Sidious who held off Maul and Savage with one arm each while laughing his ass off.

Meanwhile Grievous lost a saberlock to Ahsoka.

Thiz iz the zecond Vader V. Exar Kun...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l84bdr5CPlk

Yoda didn't over power Zidiouz.... Zidiouz let him be drive inzane by the Dark zide of the force and hiz hate of the Jedi...
In hiz background mind he wazhoping to wait than Yoda get tired to kill him like a ztupid goblin with no force power don't even able to walk....

(Yhea remeber with plagueiz Zidiouz love tragic end...)

Yoda has never physically overpowered Sidious, they're equals.

He was actually strained when holding them both off at the same time, as per Shadow Conspiracy, and a Force Rage enhanced Maul has nearly broken through Sidious' defences.

Meanwhile I don't give a shit

Originally posted by ILS
Yoda has never physically overpowered Sidious, they're equals.

He was actually strained when holding them both off at the same time, as per Shadow Conspiracy, and a Force Rage enhanced Maul has nearly broken through Sidious' defences.

Meanwhile I don't give a shit

Naw, he does. They saberlock and Yoda pushes Sidious' lightsaber back while Sidious' expression goes "oh shit!".

So? Holding off Savage with one hand even having to strain still indicates superior strength than GG can put out. Plus he really didn't look like he was straining and he was holding them off in the most impractical manner.

Ahsoka > Yoda bro. Accept the orange jailbait as your new lord and master.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ulic is fast.



Faster than thought is obviously hyperbolic. Ulic's moved fast enough to appear in multiple places at once and that was far before his prime where Kun stalemated him. Vader's speed is also really inconsistent.

Kun has created force barriers capable of repelling bombing runs. That's some impressive defense in my opinion. Vader won't be getting through his barriers before Kun amulet-owns him.

Source for Vader breaking Phrik? Kun has also broken through a wall of Mandalorian Iron.

Vader is also fast enough to block TIE fighter cannons and then crush them while flying in space and throw them back at another TIE fighter. So while it might be a bit exaggerated, I wouldn't say Hyperbolic.

Multiple places? Do you mean whenever the comic shows like him leaping and stuff? Vader has stuff like that too in the Dark times comic.

Vader's TK allowed him to blast through a huge stone fortress that the Rebels where hiding in and where confident that it can withstand heavy firepower from Imperials. He also proceeded to pick up a large Droid and crush it with pure TK. Vader while badly damaged was also able to raise up a Force barrier that protected him from Galen's explosion when the guy overloaded himself with the Force, and he took a Thermal Detonator to the chest once without any damage, and Thermal Detonators have been shown being capable of blowing up a huge shunk of a Skyhook in the Shadows of the Empire novel. I believe the source for Phrik was the Death Star Novel, I do know he broke a metal that Imperial scientists considered "Unbreakable."

Originally posted by Nephthys
Naw, he does. They saberlock and Yoda pushes Sidious' lightsaber back while Sidious' expression goes "oh shit!".

So? Holding off Savage with one hand even having to strain still indicates superior strength than GG can put out. Plus he really didn't look like he was straining and he was holding them off in the most impractical manner.

Ahsoka > Yoda bro. Accept the orange jailbait as your new lord and master. So by your logic, pushing someone back in a saber lock means you are irrefutably stronger than them physically? Sweet. I wonder when this will turn into a double standard.

Not necessarily, Grievous's strength feats are probably equal to whatever you could mention for Sidious. It doesn't matter what you think he looked like, the novel says Sidious was strained.

Maybe when she's older.

The Kun vs. Vader video on youtube has Kun taking it, barely.

The novel says Sidious was strained Through The Force but smiled anyway.

Therefore Sidious smiling can not be used to say he wasn't straining.

A few months after being weakened on Muustifar Vader speed blitzed Sing, who, when fighting, had a sphere of light around her because she was moving her lightsaber so fast.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
The Kun vs. Vader video on youtube has Kun taking it, barely. jensaarai1 is an idiot, as are most youtubers. See one of the following for proof.
Vader vs Yoda
Zannah vs Tholme

I wouldn't say he's an idiot, he just focuses on really unimportant things rather than using feats and accolades. I mean no one really cares what materials the hilt of a Saber is really made of because that's unimportant to the fight.

There was one Antoine made where he said Malgus would lose to Bane because of his armor lmao.

Malgus' armor would kill Bane because of how heavy it is

Bane can also beat Malgus because he knows more force powers, and he has a doctorate in Sith force abilities

Originally posted by carthage
Bane can also beat Malgus because he knows more force powers, and he has a doctorate in Sith force abilities you must really like Bane era characters because you can't seem to shut up about them. Either that or else your just targeting them out of insane amounts of spite

Originally posted by WildBantha88
you must really like Bane era characters because you can't seem to shut up about them. Either that or else your just targeting them out of insane amounts of spite He was critiquing Antoine's video, not necessarily Bane. You should try and build up to your emotional outbursts instead of blowing a gasket so quickly.

Originally posted by ILS
He was critiquing Antoine's video, not necessarily Bane. You should try and build up to your emotional outbursts instead of blowing a gasket so quickly. you should look at Carthage's other activity on the forums before you defend him

I'm aware of what he says about Bane, but it has nothing to do with what he said in this instance.

He isnt happy that I bring out bad examples of SW commentary by Youtube video guys. Are you a fan of Antoine Bandele Bantha?

Exar Kun wins, his powers are far beyond Vader's, Force Blast is far from his only power and Vader is no expert on Sorcery.

Telekinesis? Kun has shrugged off a Sever Force attack from the technique's most experienced practitioner.

He was effortlessly bubbling against starfighter attacks whilst casually walking.

He has never been TKd by anyone.

His strength feats are immense as are his speed feats.

He is acknowledged as one of the two greatest focal points of the Dark Side Luke ever faced, not Vader.

Kun's powers are supreme as he displayed with his drain feats and feats as a weak spirit.

Kun is stated to be more powerful than Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd, Tulak Hord, the exiles and more, perhaps most important is the fact he was more powerful than Vitiate fifty years before the Revan novel.

To be fair, Luke never considered his father a 'focal point of darkness.' Lucky for him he was right, because the 2nd death star wouldn't have gone so well for poor Luke had Vader been anything remotely resembling a focal point of darkness. Indeed, he was pretty grey for most of that fight...which actually crossed the line into the light, becoming Anakin and finding redemption. Exar Kun was never in any danger of redemption.

It is a narrator statement not a Luke opinion.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Ahsoka > Yoda bro. Accept the orange jailbait as your new lord and master.

Profiled lmao

Even if it is a narrator statement, the fact remains that a man who finds redemption is probably the least dark of the Sith Lords. Other then other redeemed Sith, naturally. Of which there are not many at all.

When Yoda says 'forever will it dominate your destiny' he's right 99% of the time.

Originally posted by carthage
Profiled lmao Same.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Exar Kun wins, his powers are far beyond Vader's, Force Blast is far from his only power and Vader is no expert on Sorcery.

Telekinesis? Kun has shrugged off a Sever Force attack from the technique's most experienced practitioner.

He was effortlessly bubbling against starfighter attacks whilst casually walking.

He has never been TKd by anyone.

His strength feats are immense as are his speed feats.

He is acknowledged as one of the two greatest focal points of the Dark Side Luke ever faced, not Vader.

Kun's powers are supreme as he displayed with his drain feats and feats as a weak spirit.

Kun is stated to be more powerful than Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd, Tulak Hord, the exiles and more, perhaps most important is the fact he was more powerful than Vitiate fifty years before the Revan novel.

Elected byt the piritz of the ancientz zithz lordz .......

Just as hyperbolic as Kun saying his rage was amplfied by 1000x in TOTJ? Nice double standard there, and no it isn't hyperbolic Vader has better speed feats than Kun. Kun has moved in a blur and appeared to wield 6-7 lightsabers, Vader has moved fast enough to appear to teleport, moved fast enough to appear from thin air, deflected turret fire, deflected omnidirectional blaster fire, blitzed Roan Lands, fought faster than Ferus Olin could perceive, and has blitzed Jedi. Also Vader has appeared to be four places at once as well

He is plainly faster than Kun in combat speed