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Setting: Dagobah swamps, near Yoda's hut

Which team prevails?

Hmmmm. Might go with team 1.

Team 1.

Team 2 doesn't stand a chance.

Originally posted by Arhael
Team 2 doesn't stand a chance.

Team 1. Though Caedus may not survive the battle, his uncle sure will.

Team 2.... Revan quazi equal luke zkywalker....

Zo cadeuz V.Z EMPEROR MALGUZ + HoT....

Hmhm... And the game mechanic of unvulnerability of Malguz iz actually in fact a part of the RP and in the RP he relly die az he did in the MMO... Even if thiz not totaly true unvulnerability....
It'z like Baraaz emperor voice wich O.Z.... Part of the R.P....

I concur.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Team 2.... Revan quazi equal luke zkywalker....

Zo cadeuz V.Z EMPEROR MALGUZ + HoT....

Hmhm... And the game mechanic of unvulnerability of Malguz iz actually in fact a part of the RP and in the RP he relly die az he did in the MMO... Even if thiz not totaly true unvulnerability....
It'z like Baraaz emperor voice wich O.Z.... Part of the R.P....
Wow, you released your thoughts in their purest form just like Revan did with light and dark.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Team 2.... Revan quazi equal luke zkywalker....

Zo cadeuz V.Z EMPEROR MALGUZ + HoT....

Hmhm... And the game mechanic of unvulnerability of Malguz iz actually in fact a part of the RP and in the RP he relly die az he did in the MMO... Even if thiz not totaly true unvulnerability....
It'z like Baraaz emperor voice wich O.Z.... Part of the R.P.... Oh my.

Team 1 in a bloodbath

...I'm going to keep maintaining Team 1. It is a rule of the universe that kriffing with Skywalkers and Solos is a good recipe for getting killed.

Team 1 in an almost stomp.

Nah, it would be a good fight.

Team 1. Revan can beat Caedus but Malgus and HoT can't take Luke.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Team 1. Revan can beat Caedus but Malgus and HoT can't take Luke. But Revan could probably take Luke

Caedus is better than anyone team 1 imo.
EDIT: Team 1? Lol brain fart.


Top five Sith Lord? Check.
One of the greatest ever duelists? Check.
Extreme esoteric knowledge? Check.
Battle Meld? Check.
Battle Meditation usable during combat? Check.
Shatterpoint? Check.

Team him with FOTJ Luke and battle meld/battle med them and they could clean ten man teams.

Nah, sorry bro. Admittedly if Revan's dueling abilities were closer to Jacen's, he could probably pull it off, but Caedus has still got him firmly.

Also, Malgus/HoT vs Luke should be a good fight--But I agree, Luke should win.

EDIT: Let's not being Battle Meld into the picture, that's just unfair.

Originally posted by ILS
But Revan could probably take Luke

Lolwut? Luke is twice as powerful as Sidious.

TBH Luke may even solo this.

Luke isn't even remotely close to being twice as powerful as Sidious.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nah, sorry bro. Admittedly if Revan's dueling abilities were closer to Jacen's, he could probably pull it off, but Caedus has still got him firmly.
Dueling is dictated mainly by Force Augmentation of speed and accuracy. Revan's command of the Force allows him to do this to perfection: "Revan opened fire with his blasters, drawing on the Force to augment his accuracy. His first volley dropped an enemy soldier charging toward him; his second took out a sniper half hidden on a ridge over twenty meters away. But he knew the battle wouldn't be won by blasters alone." ―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

George Lucas stated that Anakin's full potential was 200% of Sidious but Vader only achieved about 80%. He also stated that Luke fulfilked his father's potential after ROTJ.

Hence Luke being powerful enough to be uneffected by a black hole, smashing armies of Vong with literal Force Stomps, telekinetically dominating Caedus without gesturing. Let's not forget tanking AT-AT shots and ragdolling said walkers.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Lolwut? Luke is twice as powerful as Sidious.

TBH Luke may even solo this. When has Luke ever dealt with someone who can teleport though? Or with Revan's level of precog?

Don't get me wrong, Luke is more powerful for sure, but with Revan seeing several steps ahead of Luke and being able to teleport he can win some kind of majority. Luke just isn't used to that fighting style.

Now if they had a rematch Luke would win for sure but first time around, I'm backing Revan for a slight win.

Mara's danger sense was superior to Luke's yet she knew without a doubt she didn't have even half of his power, he would win every time.

Oh and Abeloth, her powers make Revan look amatuer hour and Luke still killed her.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Mara's danger sense was superior to Luke's yet she knew without a doubt she didn't have even half of his power, he would win every time.

Oh and Abeloth, her powers make Revan look amatuer hour and Luke still killed her.

Right but you're getting away from the point bro, if Revan has substantially superior foresight and can teleport he can get Luke in a position and backstab him before he can defend properly, because he just isn't prepared for that fighting style the first time around.

I love how Fated thumbs that up despite not reading virtually a single novel of that era besides the ones with Korr.

Oh get off of Xtasy's ass Ant!

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Oh get off of Xtasy's ass Ant!
http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/3156199618.gif It is funny though.

I'm not joking.

Oh shit.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not joking.
Oh snap guys, he is serious.
*slowly backs away, terrified*

Spare me DMB. Be a merciful leader. You are... too... powerful... for... Bane dies.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO SNAPPPPPPPPP

Originally posted by AncientPower
George Lucas stated that Anakin's full potential was 200% of Sidious but Vader only achieved about 80%. He also stated that Luke fulfilked his father's potential after ROTJ.

Hence Luke being powerful enough to be uneffected by a black hole, smashing armies of Vong with literal Force Stomps, telekinetically dominating Caedus without gesturing. Let's not forget tanking AT-AT shots and ragdolling said walkers.

So you're telling me that the difference between Luke and Sidious is five times the difference between Sidious and Vader? Yeah, no.

I'm not the one telling you, George did.

Nah, what George said doesn't contradict me. Anakin had the potential to be more or less twice as strong as the Emperor, but even left to his own devices he would never have reached anything near that, and neither did Luke. Otherwise we'd see Luke ragdolling Abeloth Mortis-style.

I feel like people just ignoring my Revan debate game because I'm too fresh though if you feel me

Are you suggesting Sidious could beat the Ones of Mortis?

Are you suggesting Luke could beat the Ones of Mortis?

No, I'm suggesting that a lot of people don't understand how small gaps in power are percentage-wise.

Vader is 80% of RotS Sidious, but it would take three of him to put a nail in his coffin. If the difference between Luke and Sidious were five times that, hell yes he could dominate the Mortians--Just like Anakin could.

He's not nearly that strong, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, I'm suggesting that a lot of people don't understand how small gaps in power are percentage-wise.

Vader is 80% of RotS Sidious, but it would take three of him to put a nail in his coffin. If the difference between Luke and Sidious were five times that, hell yes he could dominate the Mortians--Just like Anakin could.

He's not nearly that strong, though.

Oh my bad, sorry I misunderstood.

...Luke is wiser then his father, better trained, humbler, and if he hasn't absolutely maxed his potential yet, he's pretty darn close.

Put GM Luke where Anakin once stood, and he'd defeat the Ones considerably faster then his father did.

There is nothing Anakin can do, ever, that his son couldn't do better.

LOLNOPE

...are you kidding me?

The downside to Luke being wiser, of course, is that he probably would've stayed on Mortis for the sake of the Galaxy instead of letting it dissolve.

Luke and Anakin probably lost a massive chunk of their midichlorians when they lost their hands though, because they would just spill out, which is probably why they're so close to Sids

Anakin lost half his right arm...it was severed at the elbow.

I doubt the loss of Luke's right hand did anything other then make him use his left hand for the most powerful applications of the Force.

It's not how much they lost though, cause like the midichlorians would be falling out of their arms after being dismembered so

...The Dark Side is strong with you.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nah, what George said doesn't contradict me. Anakin had the potential to be more or less twice as strong as the Emperor, but even left to his own devices he would never have reached anything near that, and neither did Luke. Otherwise we'd see Luke ragdolling Abeloth Mortis-style.

Actually he directly contradicts what you have said, fulfilling his father's potential makes him twice as powerful as Sidious, it's simple logic.

Anakin's full potential = Sidious 200%, Luke fulfilled Anakin's potential after Jedi, thus Luke is twice as powerful as ROTJ Palpatine.

Except he didn't say Luke fulfilled his father's potential, he said he was what his father should have been, which is as much about character as it is about power.

Good fight, but I am vouching for Team 2.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Oh and Abeloth, her powers make Revan look amatuer hour and Luke still killed her.
You make it sound like as if Luke soloed Abeloth, he didn't.. He was outgunned and managed to defeat her with aid of many allies.

Abeloth have lot of power but she lacks the discipline of a warrior and fights mindlessly, this is why she (or "it" faltered. Luke managed to hold his own against Abeloth in some battles because he was immensely powerful, highly disciplined and experienced warrior, and made smart decisions during combat situations.

Revan is also immensely powerful, highly disciplined and experienced warrior. In-fact, he can literally escape from danger at will with his teleportation talents (Sounds Goku-ish, I know, but this cannot be ignored anymore). I doubt that Abeloth can easily overwhelm him.

Going with the guys who can tank turbolaser blasts and manipulate black-holes.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Going with the guys who can tank turbolaser blasts and manipulate black-holes.
Eveybody in Team 2 can tank turbolaser blasts like Team 1 members, and that wasn't a real blackhole.

When has anyone on team 2 tanked turbolaser firepower? And a Dovin Basals create Black-Holes.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Except he didn't say Luke fulfilled his father's potential, he said he was what his father should have been, which is as much about character as it is about power.

While true that it is about character as well...indeed, character is likely even more important...I believe it was meant to include potential as well.

And my point about the fact Luke could've and would've defeated the Ones, probably faster then his father did, stands. The main difference is that he would've stayed there for the sake of the Galaxy, cause that's what his character would do.

Originally posted by The Merchant
When has anyone on team 2 tanked turbolaser firepower?
Turbolaser is a vague term; Turbolaser weapon systems vary in power in different systems. The manner in which you phrase your sentence is misleading and wrong. You make it sound like as if Luke Skywalker can tank firepower of even Death Star. You need to revisit your reasoning.

Darth Malgus have tanked missiles on-screen and dismantled/defeated enemy positions and even fortresses by himself off-screen. He would have logically contended/coped with lot of heavy shit out in the battlefields.

Revan can also tolerate turbolaser fire to great extent as per standards of a Jedi. It have been hinted that combined firepower of 4 Basilisks would be required to stop or harm him which is too much for a living being. A single Basilisk is a formidable weapon system, capable of taking on and destroying Starfighters without an issue, and good enough for major combat operations. Mandalorians have used Basilisks to damage/destroy even Republic Cruisers in confrontations in space.

HoT have also tanked turbolaser fire to some extent, if I am not mistaken. Member Neph can provide useful input in this.

Originally posted by The Merchant
And a Dovin Basals create Black-Holes.
They don't create real blackholes which are big and powerful enough to eat stars and planets and can sustain themselves for billions of years.

Dovin Basals create (micro) blackholes which serve as defensive mechanisms against external threats to Vong starships, but these artificial manifestations diminish quickly after consuming enemy firepower, and should not be compared with Cosmic blackholes, not even close.

In addition, Luke Skywalker had to expend all of his energy to manipulate a (micro) blackhole, he didn't pull this off without full concentration. In-fact, Kyp Durron also have duplicated this feat.

Turbolasers from Capital ships, in-fact I'm pretty sure Turbolasers are weapons only on Cap-ships. Those things can destroy Islands and even countries. Moving a Micro-Blackhole is still impressive, I remember reading a calculation that moving a Blackhole the size of a speck of dust would be roughly around moving half of the Earth's mass.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Turbolasers from Capital ships, in-fact I'm pretty sure Turbolasers are weapons only on Cap-ships. Those things can destroy Islands and even countries.
Show me this data.

No, Turbolasers vary in power and are mounted on many weapon systems. You can learn this by checking wookieepedia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Turbolaser

Originally posted by The Merchant
Moving a Micro-Blackhole is still impressive, I remember reading a calculation that moving a Blackhole the size of a speck of dust would be roughly around moving half of the Earth's mass.
Again, these are cosmic blackholes. Also, a blackhole is composed of two layers: Event Horizon and Singularity. I assume the size of Singularity in your description which is the central point of a blackhole where this phenomenon is at its strongest.

Dovin Basals do not create cosmic blackholes, not even close.

Kyp Durron is a force titan and TOR sucks.

The source for Island to country busting Turbolasers comes from the Star Wars: Complete cross-sections specifically for the specs on the Acclamator. The novel was referencing Turbolaser capital ships. IIRC they where giving examples for how much Caedus can withstand and started out small then to Laser cannons from fighters and finally turbolasers on cap-ships. Didn't he also throw Frigates around in his fight with Katarn?

And an artificial Black-hole and a real Black-hole would have no difference since they're following the same premise of making such intense gravity it forms a singularity, unless you can find something that disproves that.

Originally posted by The Merchant
The source for Island to country busting Turbolasers comes from the Star Wars: Complete cross-sections specifically for the specs on the Acclamator. The novel was referencing Turbolaser capital ships. IIRC they where giving examples for how much Caedus can withstand and started out small then to Laser cannons from fighters and finally turbolasers on cap-ships. Didn't he also throw Frigates around in his fight with Katarn?

And an artificial Black-hole and a real Black-hole would have no difference since they're following the same premise of making such intense gravity it forms a singularity, unless you can find something that disproves that.

IIRC Caedus was deflecting fire from a gunship. Which obviously doesn't blow up islands or countries. And no, he throws a car in his fight with Katarn, lol.

This is the quote:

JAINA: "I've known him to move starships, deflect ion cannon...even turbolasers. He can hear at huge distances with some Theran Force-lightning technique. He can create elaborate Force illusions that feel real, he can walk into the past or future, he can control objects like scanners, and he can mind-rub, he even mind-rubbed Ben."
BOBA: "Made him forget."
JAINA: "Yes."
......
BOBA: "If he can stop turbolasers single-handed, why does he need a fleet?"
JAINA: "Again, no idea."
BOBA: "Why does he need shields on ships when he can create his own?."

Boba jealous as shit.

OH YEAH? WELL WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE YOUR OWN SHIELD IF YOU'RE SO F*CKING SPECIAL JACEN.

IIRC the quote is actually referencing a feat from Dark Nest that Jaina saw him perform.

Yep, I posted it a while back. I take full credit for it, since no one seemingly seen it before that.

Ant on his credit claiming grind

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yep, I posted it a while back. I take full credit for it, since no one seemingly seen it before that.

Except I saw it. When I read the book.

EEEEEE, you gunna take that Ant?

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