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Neutral setting.

No amp/prep time.

Who wins?

Traya though drain.

Bane otherwise. She's not got it in her to beat him and he can bull through all her shit and stomp her in sabers.

^ Drain is enabled for her

Traya oneshots with drain

bane

Bane wins this one.

No he doesn't not when she can oneshot him with drain

Bane.

Drain and fade tactics, if he makes it through that she applies telekinetic lightsaber combat and continues to drain until Bane is vulnerable to FLS attacks.

I will say that if he somehow makes it in close he likely wins.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bane wins this one.

What a surprise....

^ LOL, yeah.

I'm not sure how Bane does against the drain, probably not well.

Bane steamrolls.

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Bane steamrolls.
Can Bane defend against the drain, though?

I may be willing to vouch for Bane if he doesn't have his orbalisks, due to his utilitarian and innovative lightsaber design which perfectly compliments his unpredictable assault. Traya would be completely baffled by such a barrage. As it is now though, Bane is a borderline clumsy fighter with his orbalisk armor with no regard for finesse, and against a master of telekinetic lightsaber combat like Traya, that will be his undoing. I don't think Traya's drain will help against a dark sider though.

A better fight would be Warb Null vs Traya. As it is I compare Orbalisk armor Bane versus Traya to Savage Opress vs Darth Sidious.

Excellent analysis , ILS.

As it is, Bane's unpredictability is a problem.

Originally posted by ILS
I may be willing to vouch for Bane if he doesn't have his orbalisks, due to his utilitarian and innovative lightsaber design which perfectly compliments his unpredictable assault. Traya would be completely baffled by such a barrage. As it is now though, Bane is a borderline clumsy fighter with his orbalisk armor with no regard for finesse, and against a master of telekinetic lightsaber combat like Traya, that will be his undoing. I don't think Traya's drain will help against a dark sider though.

A better fight would be Warb Null vs Traya. As it is I compare Orbalisk armor Bane versus Traya to Savage Opress vs Darth Sidious.

Bane isn't borderline clumsy, he's just allowed to go full on assault with no thought to having to perform back and forth swordplay because he doesn't have to worry about not parrying most attacks. So his technique is very simple. Personally I don't think Traya can wield 3 lightsabers telekinetically with more than the speed and skill that Bane was able to withstand against BM Raskta, Farfalla and Johun combined (thats 4 lightsabers). She has no showings that indicate that she'd eclipse the abilities of that team. If Meetra was able to deal with Traya's blades, why not Bane?

Wouldn't Traya basically ragdoll Warb Null though?

He would definitely have to worry about Traya's trakata assault which he has never encountered before. With two lightsabers providing enough interference Bane could be facing a quick decapitation. Without the armor hindering his finesse Bane would be able to counter and redirect the lightsabers effectively until he can get close to Traya and force a one on one engagement. I really doubt Traya would ragdoll Warb Null, as we know from his RPG statistics he has an extremely high level of Force power, a versatile skill set with many defence-oriented powers, and powerful suit of dark-side enhanced armor.

Meetra, a master of of several lightsaber styles.
Bane, someone who could slash like maniac with no technique.

Totes comparable. And before you bring up Kas'im, not only was that years before peak Bane, he didn't even have the upperhand with Kas'im's "unpredictability" involved.

"Also, more lightsabers means more better." Nah, not really.

I'm glad there is someone with some sense on this board.

Originally posted by ILS
He would definitely have to worry about Traya's trakata assault which he has never encountered before. With two lightsabers providing enough interference Bane could be facing a quick decapitation. Without the armor hindering his finesse Bane would be able to counter and redirect the lightsabers effectively until he can get close to Traya and force a one on one engagement. I really doubt Traya would ragdoll Warb Null, as we know from his RPG statistics he has an extremely high level of Force power, a versatile skill set with many defence-oriented powers, and powerful suit of dark-side enhanced armor.

I don't see why, he could just run through them and attack Traya directly. And like I said, whats making you think Traya's trakata is has enough finesse and is fast enough to overwhelm Bane when Raskta, Farfalla and Johun combined didn't manage that? The armor doesn't hinder Bane's finesse, he has all the skills he had when he fought Kas'im and has unimpeded movement. He simply doesn't NEED finesse, because the orbalisks are just that good.

RPG statistics are non-canon and mean jack shit.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Meetra, a master of of several lightsaber styles.
Bane, someone who could slash like maniac with no technique.

Totes comparable. And before you bring up Kas'im, not only was that years before peak Bane, he didn't even have the upperhand with Kas'im's "unpredictability" involved.

"Also, more lightsabers means more better." Nah, not really.

What the shit? Bane is also a master of multiple lightsaber forms and is a far more capable fighter than Meetra is. He would crush her beneath his orbalisk booties. He could slash like a maniac because that's how brutally efficient he was allowed to be due to his armor. It's more effective for him to attack with reckless abandon with minimal defense needed.

I have no idea what you mean by this because it looks to me like just an argument in Bane's favor that he beat Kas'im years from his prime.

More lightsabers are more difficult to deal with on average, particularly in this situation where Bane needs to keep specific parts of himself covered from attack. And especially when those lightsabers are being wielded with greater skill and speed than anything Traya has shown with trakata.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What the shit? Bane is also a master of multiple lightsaber forms and is a far more capable fighter than Meetra is. He would crush her beneath his orbalisk booties. He could slash like a maniac because that's how brutally efficient he was allowed to be due to his armor. It's more effective for him to attack with reckless abandon with minimal defense needed.

I'm sorry. I don't speak in hype or accolades without showing. That might be the problem here. Saying, "Meetra did it, so Bane will," is fallacious. Dooku's more powerful than the Exile, but he's jumped by a pirates. Bane by mercenaries, etc. Saying someone is more powerful so they'll succeed in every situation the other has is lulzworthy. Saying, "Bane is a better fighter because he fought X fighter," is similarly fallacious. Especially when he has instantaneous healing. Traya's not going to combat him the same way the Tython Strike team did, for instance.

Except he didn't. As soon as Kas'im switches up on him, Bane was pressed and had to use the environment to kill him. Nothing he did to Kas'im directly killed him. Especially not in sabers.

Not really. So many factors come into place, like the relative skill of the wielder, that this couldn't be farther from the truth. Giving Bane literally only few areas where he has to protect himself is an advantage on his part, not a disadvantage. What kind of logic dictates otherwise?

Except Bane doesn't have anything under his belt that shows amazing skill or speed that no one else who has combated Traya has.

OT: Though I'm sure if a PT character were facing Traya instead, you'd consider these things. As soon as Bane, and therefore Zannah for some reason, comes into the equation, everything else is moot. And you people complain about carthage's trolling as if saying the exact opposite is so much better.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm sorry. I don't speak in hype or accolades without showing. That might be the problem here. Saying, "Meetra did it, so Bane will," is fallacious. Dooku's more powerful than the Exile, but he's jumped by a pirates. Bane by mercenaries, etc. Saying someone is more powerful so they'll succeed in every situation the other has is lulzworthy. Saying, "Bane is a better fighter because he fought X fighter," is similarly fallacious. Especially when he has instantaneous healing. Traya's not going to combat him the same way the Tython Strike team did, for instance.

There's nothing about the Exile that suggests she'd do better against Traya's trakata than Bane would, especially since she came into that fight at a massive disadvantage from being on a darkside nexus and having to fight through the Trayas Academy. Meanwhile Bane is coming at Traya fresh and decked out in full orbalisk armor. Like I said, he could literally just run through the bloody things.

Not to mention that Traya only brought out the trakata after losing both hands, suggesting that it's less effective than her regular saber skills + force powers.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except he didn't. As soon as Kas'im switches up on him, Bane was pressed and had to use the environment to kill him. Nothing he did to Kas'im directly killed him. Especially not in sabers.

He did. In a fair fight Bane was dominating him. You wank the Exile mastering several forms, yet Kas'im mastered them all to a much higher degree and Bane was greater than him in a conventional duel, able to instantly adapt to and outmatch any tactic Kas'im attempted until the dual sabers.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not really. So many factors come into place, like the relative skill of the wielder, that this couldn't be farther from the truth. Giving Bane literally only few areas where he has to protect himself is an advantage on his part, not a disadvantage. What kind of logic dictates otherwise?

I meant that more sabers are harder for Bane to defend against than less of them, simply because he needs to keep track of more of them, not that it was actually hard in general or some sort of disadvantage. And Traya's skill doesn't come close to Raskta's. In fact I doubt it's equal to Farfalla's "perfect form". And her skill's with trakata? She uses it once and it fails. In gameplay. It's a completely featless ability of hers. How fast and how well can she wield those sabers? Who the **** knows.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except Bane doesn't have anything under his belt that shows amazing skill or speed that no one else who has combated Traya has.

https://jukebox9.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/faarooq-confused.gif

You mean Traya who got outdueled, twice, by a weakened and winded Exile, while on a massive force nexus? The Exile who has almost literally no speed feats? Or anything that shows her as more skilled than Bane. Meanwhile Bane has some of the best speed feats around and has outduelled swordsman of immense skill. Riiiiight. I mean, even if Bane was equal to the Exile or **** it, much weaker than her, he'd still be capable of replicating that victory off of Malachor and at full strength. I'm gonna assume this is a trolling attempt and move on.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
OT: Though I'm sure if a PT character were facing Traya instead, you'd consider these things. As soon as Bane, and therefore Zannah for some reason, comes into the equation, everything else is moot. And you people complain about carthage's trolling as if saying the exact opposite is so much better.

I'd say basically the same thing if this was Sidious or Yoda. I'd also say anyone of Ventress + is unlikely to fall to Traya's trakata. But Bane is kind of a special case with his orbalisks making it retardly easy for him to just run through Traya's sabers and cut her down.