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Round 1 Sabers only

Round 2: Force fight

Round 3 All out

*False Emperor Malgus incarnation

*Count Dooku as of Revenge of the Sith

Round 1: Dooku
Round 2: Malgus
Round 3: Malgus

Originally posted by Sinious
Round 1: Dooku
Round 2: Malgus
Round 3: Malgus

Yup.

Anyone else?

WHY NOT GUYS LETS HAVE SOME FUN

Originally posted by Sinious
Round 1: Dooku
Round 2: Malgus
Round 3: Malgus

Dooku wins all three categories

Dooku is definitely more refined than Malgus. Yes Malgus most likely has more experience in Saber to Saber however that won't save him from Dooku who also has great experience, able to hold off the Ataru onslaught of Yoda, be considered the dead Equal of Mace Windu, someone noted for his skills with the lightsaber, Train General Grevious in all sevens forms, best Anakin and Obi wan on several occasions. So with all that I think that tops anything Malgus has in terms of Saber skills.

Force power- this should be easy. Dooku obviously has the better feats. He has broken through the shields of opposing force weilders, has lightning that can lift, incapacitate, torture, and kill people. Tutaminitis. Able to deflect lightning that was shot back at him from Yoda. Lift tens if not hundreds of pillars that weight at least a ton each with little ease, collapsed objects with no effort, choked opponents, even used the draw close ability on a Jedi. What does Malgus have against that.

Weapons- Dooku. The curved hilt and the ability to lengthen the blade.


All out. Dooku wins with medium difficulty. Malgus could not press Dooku to where he could defeat him. Dooku may have to resort to his force powers but he definitely will win either way. Dooku is the victor.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

Weapons- Dooku. The curved hilt and the ability to lengthen the blade.

lmao tf?

tf?

Darth Malgus in all rounds.

Malgus has a standard blade while dookus blade allows more benefits. With that Dooku has the superior weapon.

Originally posted by Trocity
lmao tf?

Think he's doing a Jensaraai breakdown. Weapons are apparently a factor in that.

Anyway:

Dooku
Dooku
Dooku

Originally posted by Selenial
Think he's doing a Jensaraai breakdown. Weapons are apparently a factor in that.

Anyway:

Dooku
Dooku
Dooku

I think all versus video makers do it that way but I agree with you.

Very close fight IMHO.

Sabers: Dooku
Force: Malgus
All-out: Malgus

Dooku has more then enough to take own malgus in the force

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Dooku is definitely more refined than Malgus. Yes Malgus most likely has more experience in Saber to Saber however that won't save him from Dooku who also has great experience, able to hold off the Ataru onslaught of Yoda, be considered the dead Equal of Mace Windu, someone noted for his skills with the lightsaber, Train General Grevious in all sevens forms, best Anakin and Obi wan on several occasions. So with all that I think that tops anything Malgus has in terms of Saber skills.

Force power- this should be easy. Dooku obviously has the better feats. He has broken through the shields of opposing force weilders, has lightning that can lift, incapacitate, torture, and kill people. Tutaminitis. Able to deflect lightning that was shot back at him from Yoda. Lift tens if not hundreds of pillars that weight at least a ton each with little ease, collapsed objects with no effort, choked opponents, even used the draw close ability on a Jedi. What does Malgus have against that.

Weapons- Dooku. The curved hilt and the ability to lengthen the blade.


All out. Dooku wins with medium difficulty. Malgus could not press Dooku to where he could defeat him. Dooku may have to resort to his force powers but he definitely will win either way. Dooku is the victor.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Selenial
Think he's doing a Jensaraai breakdown. Weapons are apparently a factor in that.

That's the best way to determine any Vs. type match-up.

Yes. That's part of what makes them awesome

Dook all. Even if Malgus is more powerful Dooku is much more skilled and unpredictable in the use of the Force.

How is he more unpredictable? Do you think Dooku can toss around haracters like Wrath/Nox/Hero/and Barsenthor? Or

Originally posted by carthage
How is he more unpredictable? Do you think Dooku can toss around haracters like Wrath/Nox/Hero/and Barsenthor? Or
Didn't say that. It is not in his style to toss around opponents.

Both Kenobi and Anakin were capable to block his Force attacks. Yet, he was able to find an opening to electrocute/TK each one of them.

Dooku might not be able to toss those characters but it is within his capabilities to block/dodge their Force attacks and catch them off guard with his own ones.

Dooku pressing Yoda with Lightning and then Deflecting his own Lightning when Yoda sent it back at him could very well match Malgus's feat of wrecking the Jedi in Deceived.

Though the feat where Malgus staggers the Strike Team with Lightning in TOR is definitely not something Dooku has replicated.

@Arhael,

Why is it not his style to toss around opponents? He ragdolled 2 Jedi I know. He is very direct with his force attacks and "unpredictable" is not a word I would use for him.

On the other hand, Malgus definitely has a more unorthodox usage of the force. Where Dooku is a classic TK/lightning sith, Malgus has additional force attacks like maelstrom and scream.

And while Dooku is clearly the superior duelist, I doubt it will give him the victory since Malgus is good enough to hold his ground and even use Dooku's disadvantage of lacking against duelists with great strength to push him back.

He's ragdolled Ventress as well. He makes pretty liberal usage of the Force.

Dooku's disadvantage versus strength is overblown. It taxes his reserves, not drastically undermines his dueling technique.

I didn't say it gives Malgus the victory but it would make it harder for Dooku to make up for his inferiority in the force.

I didn't say anything about you claiming it gave Malgus the victory.

His inferiority in the Force isn't too great - he's also faster and more skilled, which is generally the most important of all edges.

You're basically saying that dueling is more important than the force which is something I disagree with tbh.

I don't take Dooku's fight with Yoda seriously and other than that, he hasn't done anything to put him above Malgus.

1. It is in most scenarios, particularly if the fighters tend to duel. Malgus does sometimes abuse the Force, so it could be particularly disruptive for Tyranus's fighting style, but probably not utterly game-changing. Could it be game-changing alongside his strength edge? Possibly - that's what should be argued.

2. In terms of Force? I agree. But Tyranus has a pretty noticeable skill edge, and Dooku's fight with Yoda is to be taken seriously regarding some of its elements.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. It is in most scenarios, particularly if the fighters tend to duel. Malgus does sometimes abuse the Force, so it could be particularly disruptive for Tyranus's fighting style, but probably not utterly game-changing.

It depends. In Malgus' era, jedi/sith focused more on power than skill where in Dooku's era it is the opposite.



That was my argument in the first place.



Yoda managed to disarm Sidious, who utterly humiliated Maul and Savage at the same time. Sidious would have an easier time with Dooku so I don't see how Yoda couldn't trash him given his other feats.

1. There were blademasters in Malgus's era too.

2. I know. I'm saying it's debatable.

3. In some sources, Sidious fights Yoda to a draw - just as Sidious matches Yoda in the Force in some sources, but flat-out overpowers him in others.

Originally posted by carthage
How is he more unpredictable? Do you think Dooku can toss around haracters like Wrath/Nox/Hero/and Barsenthor? Or


He sure can defeat advanced swordsman with ease. Coughsorabulqcoughasajjventresscoughanakinskywalke
r cough.

Yoda never took out multiple sith or Jedi at one time yet he is way better than Malgus.

1. That doesn't contradict with what I said.

2. I don't deny its a close fight so I'll respect it if you disagree with it.

3. So? They're clearly on the same tier as duelists which is enough to support my claim.

1. There were some who focused on power, others on combat skill.

2. Fair enough.

3. To be fair, Dooku and Yoda know each other and their fighting styles quite well, but a number of sources do suggest Yoda was holding back.

Originally posted by Sinious
Round 1: Dooku
Round 2: Malgus
Round 3: Malgus

Originally posted by Sinious
@Arhael,
Why is it not his style to toss around opponents? He ragdolled 2 Jedi I know. He is very direct with his force attacks and "unpredictable" is not a word I would use for him.

In RotS Dooku's Force push and choke were unpredictable enough for Kenobi to even attempt to block it. Kenobi demonstrated that, when ready, he can put up a block even against Anakin's TK. Of course there are cases, where Dooku used Force attacks without an element of surprise too.

Originally posted by SunRazer
3. To be fair, Dooku and Yoda know each other and their fighting styles quite well, but a number of sources do suggest Yoda was holding back.
You never brought up a single quote from that "number of sources". You only mentioned junior novel but then I checked it myself and there is no suggestion that Yoda held back.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. There were some who focused on power, others on combat skill.

2. Fair enough.

3. To be fair, Dooku and Yoda know each other and their fighting styles quite well, but a number of sources do suggest Yoda was holding back.

1. Again, doesn't contradict with what I said. Both eras obviously had force users that focused on each but it is clear that TOR found power more important and PT Jedi were focusing on skill more than power.

Imo, TOR Sith being very capable in the force made the Jedi adapt and become alike where in PT the jedi were so skilled with the lightsaber that the Sith had to improve them selves to keep up even though they didn't care for dueling as much. Being very powerful in the force and very skilled in dueling at the same time is one of the major reasons of why there are so many RoT Sith in higher tiers.

3. Exactly

Originally posted by Arhael
In RotS Dooku's Force push and choke were unpredictable enough for Kenobi to even attempt to block it. Kenobi demonstrated that, when ready, he can put up a block even against Anakin's TK. Of course there are cases, where Dooku used Force attacks without an element of surprise too.

I doubt that was possible purely cause of unpredictability tbh. Dooku's force feats far exceed Kenobi's so I'm not surprised that he was able to TK him that easily. But even if it was, Malgus did something similar to a far more powerful opposition and I really doubt this would give Dooku any advantages.

This is a great fight in every category.

1. Dooku
2. Malgus
3. Malgus

Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku pressing Yoda with Lightning and then Deflecting his own Lightning when Yoda sent it back at him could very well match Malgus's feat of wrecking the Jedi in Deceived.

Though the feat where Malgus staggers the Strike Team with Lightning in TOR is definitely not something Dooku has replicated.

When did Dooku press Yoda with lightning?

Originally posted by Sinious
I doubt that was possible purely cause of unpredictability tbh. Dooku's force feats far exceed Kenobi's so I'm not surprised that he was able to TK him that easily. But even if it was, Malgus did something similar to a far more powerful opposition and I really doubt this would give Dooku any advantages.

In AotC Kenobi blocked Dooku's lightning without any seeming effort. In last TCW fight Kenobi blocked Dooku's TK as well. Clearly Dooku cannot simply Force handle him when he chooses to, there needs to be an opening for that.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku pressing Yoda with Lightning and then Deflecting his own Lightning when Yoda sent it back at him could very well match Malgus's feat of wrecking the Jedi in Deceived.

Though the feat where Malgus staggers the Strike Team with Lightning in TOR is definitely not something Dooku has replicated.

Lightning that caused no discernible strain or as of AOTC has only debilitated Kenobi/Anakin vs. Lightning that kills 2 Jedi on contact/drops Barsen/Hero/Nox/Wrath? No, they aren't equal feats imo. Dooku's lightning is generally inferior to Malgus's overall.

Originally posted by Arhael
In RotS Dooku's Force push and choke were unpredictable enough for Kenobi to even attempt to block it. Kenobi demonstrated that, when ready, he can put up a block even against Anakin's TK. Of course there are cases, where Dooku used Force attacks without an element of surprise too.

Malgus could easily replicate any showing of ragdolling Kenobi. He's been taken out by individuals who are less powerful than he is (Savage/Maul/Ventress). And Dooku has been knocked around/choked by even Savage/Kenobi himself, his showings of force barrier/aura aren't on par with Malgus's either. Malgus utilizes his force abilities much more violently than Dooku, and exceeds him in telekinesis/lightning not to mention Maelstrom which Dooku isn't even prepared to deal with at all.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He sure can defeat advanced swordsman with ease. Coughsorabulqcoughasajjventresscoughanakinskywalke
r cough.

Yoda never took out multiple sith or Jedi at one time yet he is way better than Malgus.

None of those individuals are as powerful in the force as Barsen/Wrath/Nox/ or Hero barring Anakin. Being a skilled swordsmen has nothing to do with their showings in the force, Bulq is quite abysmal in terms of applications of force showings in general

Originally posted by carthage
Lightning that caused no discernible strain or as of AOTC has only debilitated Kenobi/Anakin vs. Lightning that kills 2 Jedi on contact/drops Barsen/Hero/Nox/Wrath? No, they aren't equal feats imo. Dooku's lightning is generally inferior to Malgus's overall.

2 fodder Jedi. Lightning can drop any character, if failed to block. Even prime Luke was pinned to a wall by lightning of a fodder Sith, same Luke that tanked Sidious' lightning long before his prime and Abeloth's lightning right into the chest.

Dooku's lightning instantly knocked out AotC Anakin, that's impressive enough.


Kenobi also survived Son's lightning. Malestorm is just a variation of TK, nothing new for Dooku. Regardless, Maul and Opress are more powerful than Malgus, imho.


Barring Anakin, which Dooku happened to Force handle on more than one occasion...

I don't doubt malgus is powerful however he doesn't rank amongst the best of all time while dooku does. It doesn't matter as dooku being in the movies is more featured than malgus who was though up just like vitiate and expansion and thus coming to life. Being that dooku is more calm and collected than malgus he does t just show destruction where ever he goes unlike malgus who uses his power to destroy. However dooku can still unleash some pretty cool stuff. His TK is most likely above malgus and the use of lightning in this battle is negleable as both can be countered by their light sabers or by dookus tutaminis, however I would say dooku is more powerful however not by a large amount as he has way more experience.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I don't doubt malgus is powerful however he doesn't rank amongst the best of all time
Um... going with his showings mentioned here, he does.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um... going with his showings mentioned here, he does.


So he ranks among Sidious, yoda, vitiate, Caedus, Luke, Jaina?

Dooku doesn't exactly rank among the first five people you listed.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Dooku doesn't exactly rank among the first five people you listed.

I know that's why I didn't put him but he's regarded closely isn't he? He isn't like distant. In terms of tiers he is a tier below them. So he isn't a slouch he can be compared, he also has great showimgs as well.

Yeah. Plagueis, Kun, Krayt, Vader, Revan all come to mind too.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know that's why I didn't put him but he's regarded closely isn't he?
No. Dooku isn't close to someone like Sidious.

Not that he has to be in order to be recognized as being among the best of all time. Dooku is among the best ever, but there are many force-users better than him. He's definitely my top 20.

Originally posted by Stigma
Yeah. Plagueis, Kun, Krayt, Vader all come to mind too.

I've never been really high up with kun. Can someone give me some information on his abilities that isn't biased. Plagues I can see him being above dooku just not as one of the most powerful force weilders ever, I don't believe Krayt to either, vader is in the same tier as Dooku just higher in that tier. You are naive thinking malgus is with the ones listed. Malgus is powerful but not on their level powerful IMO.

Originally posted by carthage Lightning that caused no discernible strain or as of AOTC has only debilitated Kenobi/Anakin vs. Lightning that kills 2 Jedi on contact/drops Barsen/Hero/Nox/Wrath? No, they aren't equal feats imo. Dooku's lightning is generally inferior to Malgus's overall.

You need to read what I say before responding. I said the Strike Team feat was better, but the killing fodder Jedi isn't.

It caused Yoda discernible strain according to the novel and other sources.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You need to read what I say before responding. I said the Strike Team feat was better, but the killing fodder Jedi isn't.

It caused Yoda discernible strain according to the novel and other sources.


It did cause yoda strain because it was two force powers pushing against one another.

Malgus' Force abilities will be the least of Dooku's worries, what Dooku is going to struggle with is the sheer force of his strong style, that Dooku's Makashi isn't well suited to dealing with.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Malgus' Force abilities will be the least of Dooku's worries, what Dooku is going to struggle with is the sheer force of his strong style, that Dooku's Makashi isn't well suited to dealing with.


That won't be a big issue you all think it is. Dooku has counter measures and defeated sora bull who is a master of juyo/vaapad, anakin Skywalker djem so multiple times, Quinn Lin vos Ataru possibly, held yoda off, Ataru specialist, said to be the dead rival of mace windu, vaapad specialist, and an angry anakin, able to hold off his assault, Dark side Djem so specialist.

So with that he can definitely handle malgus brute force. Also brute force won't win the day agaisn't dooku.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Malgus' Force abilities will be the least of Dooku's worries, what Dooku is going to struggle with is the sheer force of his strong style, that Dooku's Makashi isn't well suited to dealing with.

Dooku had no problem with Anakin and he is more skilled and just as physically strong as Malgus.

Well...if Anakin can take Malgus...he can't be that awesome.

Anakin would beat Malgus

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well...if Anakin can take Malgus...he can't be that awesome. Why?

Anakin can beat most in SW, save for a few top dogs..

By ROTS could anakin defeat mace windu in a fair duel.

Originally posted by Stigma
No. Dooku isn't close to someone like Sidious.

He is.

http://www.stickfreaks.com/images/lulz/clooney_chuckle.gif

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well...if Anakin can take Malgus...he can't be that awesome. Well Anakin is a beast, you're selling him short.

Curious if anybody's views have changed. IMO Dooku should take all rounds, but in competitive fights.

Dooku stomps yeah.

Sidious apparently considers Malgus to be the better warrior.

Nope.

You should just bow down to Sidious' superior knowledge and pay obeisance to Super Malgus Bros, scrub!

No, educate yourself on the word of Sheev before spouting blasphemic heresies. uhuh

Questioning the words of Palpagod generates decay in His moral authority and opens ground for heathens like LeG to spread the corrupted teachings of his false god. The Inquisition is going to knock at your door soon.

Tyranus sweeps.

Dooku stomps

Malgus stomps, actually.

He really doesn't Nephys though I agree it's not as oneside as people are making it out to be.

Dooku wins. Not a stomp though

Originally posted by Selenial
Think he's doing a Jensaraai breakdown.

If he was he'd automatically say Malgus.

WTF is everyones's account restricted here?

Nah, just those who spammed it seems.

Baddabing the prick

For going by the site rules?

spammed what?

They deserved to be banned.

On topic: It will be a good fight but I just can't see Malgus losing. He's exactly the kind of combatant Dooku fails against.

KMC's really going to suck now

They didn't get perma banned.

but what did they get banned for?

For spamming with those weird symbol thread things or whatever they were.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
KMC's really going to suck now

No, it's going to be great again. We can't just let any old user join this forum. We are simply banning these users temporarily until we figure out what's going on.

Beni, Wollf, DMB, TenebWay, Carthage and others got a 2-day ban for "spamming the forum with coded threads"

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus stomps, actually. lmfao

Neither stomps, but Tyranus wins, yeah.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
KMC's really going to suck now We'r4e way past that point.

Malgus solidly in all

The Count brings home all rounds, pretty much every time. He's considerably more skilled in the art of handling a lightsaber, noticeably faster, can handle Malgus' strength without any noticeable issue, and is a more powerful, knowledgeable and masterful Force adept. The only thing Malgus really has going for him is durability, which by itself will do nothing more than prolong the fight rather than grant him a majority. He might win a couple of rounds if he gets enraged.

Dooku in all

Malgus solidly

Dooku liquidly.

Originally posted by MythLord
Dooku liquidly.

What Myth said. Whatever that means...

I was making a joke about Malgus winning "solidly". Three states of matter, Syn.

Dooku is better in every single way.

Malgus can only compete mainly due to his physical strength and durability, it would probably be an ok fight but the Count would win everytime due to greater speed/skill

Originally posted by MythLord
I was making a joke about Malgus winning "solidly". Three states of matter, Syn.

*Four. They lied to you in school.

Forgot about plasma...

On topic, Dooku stomps

Originally posted by MythLord
I was making a joke about Malgus winning "solidly". Three states of matter, Syn.

Idk. What's the matter with you?

Originally posted by Azronger
*Four. They lied to you in school.

That's Serbian education for you.

You are in no position to judge when you made such an awful pun on the last page.

:P