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once one piece and bleach come to an end this hst era will have come to a close....... who will be the next three manga to take up the mantle of hst?

my guess is Magi will be in there

As if Bleach mattered to anyone ermm

Toriko for sure. Not sure about the others.

Originally posted by Bentley
As if Bleach mattered to anyone ermm

Hey!

I like Bleach...

wounded1

There won't be one. The age of the internet kinda makes it hard for 3 manga created at roughly the same time to make as big an impact both at home in Japan and abroad. And Shonen Jump itself is facing more competition in the market than in the heyday of the HST.

If I were a betting man I'd say the current generation of manga/anime will belong to Attack on Titan, which takes more from FMA and Death Note than Dragonball like the Big Three.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Hey!

I like Bleach...

wounded1

Once you read Battle Angel Alita, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Nanatsu no Taizai, and Toriko, Bleach will look silly compared to those series.

Originally posted by AuraAngel

If I were a betting man I'd say the current generation of manga/anime will belong to Attack on Titan, which takes more from FMA and Death Note than Dragonball like the Big Three.

Nanatsu no Taizai and Toriko draw a lot from Dragon Ball and they've been outselling AoT in Japan last I checked. NnT has actually been outselling One Piece lately but again just in Japan. American manga readers tend to not go for a series unless it has Naruto, Ichigo, Eren Jaeger, and to a lesser extent Luffy in it.
I personally never could get into AoT at all.

Here is the thing though: drawing from Dragonball is no longer that big a deal. In the early 00's and such DBZ dominated the Western market so when 3 manga come along that are similar to it(Bleach is more like YYH but whatever) they naturally took off. HST is more or less, as far as I know, a term that describes the manga that take off abroad. NnT and Toriko are not as popular, as far as I know.

Originally posted by Esomark
Once you read Battle Angel Alita, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Nanatsu no Taizai, and Toriko, Bleach will look silly compared to those series.
Bleach looks silly compared to Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure and Toriko? I know it's the 20th of April, but you need to cut back on the grass.

Originally posted by Astner
Bleach looks silly compared to Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure and Toriko? I know it's the 20th of April, but you need to cut back on the grass.

I don't smoke at all, thank you very much, and cry me a river.

Originally posted by Esomark
I don't smoke at all, thank you very much, and cry me a river.

Well then you're doing it wrong, because three out of the four series you listed are garbage, and I haven't even heard of "Battle angel Alita".

Face it, since Naruto is over, Bleach has inherited the throne of the HST, and will rule for another thousand years...

Or until a third anime comes to team up with SNK, and Parasyte the maxim...



@ Thread: Anyway, my bet on the next HST is SNK, Parasyte, and... Probably OPM, when they finally release the anime. dontgetit

Just my humble opinion.

I'm not sure how Naruto passes on a throne it never had. One Piece was kinda always the big one of the big 3 and will remain the best selling manga of all time for quite a bit I'd imagine. Though it did suffer overseas sadly.

Right now the manga I'm most interested in are Ippo and Magi. The former exists in it's only little sub-genre of sports manga but it was so engrossing that I didn't care about reading a thousand chapters. And the latter is just churning out some of the best story telling in a long time. One Piece and Bleach are both dull with some interesting bits here or there but Magi is gripping me by doing things I would never had expected.

As far as sales are concerned AoT is nipping on One Piece's heels but, for the most part, it should still remain king. Meanwhile Bleach is barely in the top 20 as of late. Though both are lagging at the moment.

Now if only UQ Holder had a larger following because I'm not sure if I'm reading 1000 chapters of Ippo anytime soon.

Which is why I'm placing my bets on AoT. That and the stupendous success of a very well crafted anime.

Well Ippo isn't Shonen so never gonna be a HST member. Ippo is a series that is likely meant to be strictly read by volume. The pacing is oh so very slow at the moment but I still love it.

Read more Magi though.

Speaking of anime adaptations, Toei Animation isn't doing One Piece any favors.

That seems fair, right now I'm just getting started with NnT(sorry Toriko) but I do plan on picking Ippo back up.

I'm caught up of Magi. Good stuff.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Which is why I'm placing my bets on AoT. That and the stupendous success of a very well crafted anime.

Well Ippo isn't Shonen so never gonna be a HST member. Ippo is a series that is likely meant to be strictly read by volume. The pacing is oh so very slow at the moment but I still love it.

Read more Magi though.


Magi is the shitttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the main characters are better versions of naruto' 3 main characters

Alibaba-- character destined for greatest who will do whatever he can to save his country and friends. He also is trying to save his friend from darkness

Morgiana-----waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than sakura and every letter of he word. not useless like sakura is

Hakuryuu- better character than sasuke because he doesnt flip flop and is serious in ll of his convictions. He is a true avenger and a way better one than sasuke

Originally posted by Esomark
Once you read Battle Angel Alita, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Nanatsu no Taizai, and Toriko, Bleach will look silly compared to those series.


Gods, yes, I adore Alita. I have to start buying the manga again, I lost track halfway through The Last Order.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
...and I haven't even heard of "Battle angel Alita".

That's a shame, you're really missing out. Though...

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Face it, since Naruto is over, Bleach has inherited the throne of the HST, and will rule for another thousand years...

What.

Big manga don't necessarily come in threes, it's just that's what happened at the time.

One Piece is probably going to run for another decade pretty easily.

Seven Deadly Sins and Magi are likely to continue to pick up steam. Finger's crossed on UQ. Fairy Tail's going to continue to sell well.


Attack on Titan is huge, but pretty much another genre.



Naruto was still an *extremely* well-selling manga, like, 'third best of all time,' big.

AoT is more in the Death Note/Devilman subsection of of Shonen.

And yeah Naruto is hugely successful and my personal favorite of the Big 3 but if there is a manga sitting on a hypothetical throne it would be Wan Pissu.

Basically it's 2 and 3 being fought over.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well then you're doing it wrong, because three out of the four series you listed are garbage, and I haven't even heard of "Battle angel Alita".

Face it, since Naruto is over, Bleach has inherited the throne of the HST, and will rule for another thousand years...



Wow, your tastes are pretty damn shallow. Those mangas all have a sense of adventure, no emo kids as the main protagonists, plots that are more than just "Ichigo saves his friends", and have art that actually has detail in it instead of just constant contrasts. Bleach is just the fast food variety of manga.

How is Bleach ruling? One Piece is still kicking it and Nanatsu no Taizai has been making record sales while Bleach has been dropping in popularity lately.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka

That seems fair, right now I'm just getting started with NnT(sorry Toriko) but I do plan on picking Ippo back up.

I'm caught up of Magi. Good stuff.

I like both mangas but I do like NnT more myself. I've been a big fan of Nakaba Suzuki since Kongou Banchou.

Magi is indeed good. I'm also reading Shinobu Ohtaka's previous work, Sumomomo Momomo. It's a good series as well but Ohtaka's really improved as a mangaka since then.

Originally posted by AuraAngel

Well Ippo isn't Shonen so never gonna be a HST member. Ippo is a series that is likely meant to be strictly read by volume. The pacing is oh so very slow at the moment but I still love it.

Eh? Ippo is indeed a shounen manga since it's target audience is teen males.

Originally posted by Q99

Seven Deadly Sins and Magi are likely to continue to pick up steam. Finger's crossed on UQ. Fairy Tail's going to continue to sell well.


Some NnT volumes have out sold some One Piece volumes which is pretty impressive. I am surprised UQ Holder! doesn't have an anime yet. It has enough material for a season.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I'm not sure how Naruto passes on a throne it never had. One Piece was kinda always the big one of the big 3 and will remain the best selling manga of all time for quite a bit I'd imagine. Though it did suffer overseas sadly.

Right now the manga I'm most interested in are Ippo and Magi. The former exists in it's only little sub-genre of sports manga but it was so engrossing that I didn't care about reading a thousand chapters. And the latter is just churning out some of the best story telling in a long time. One Piece and Bleach are both dull with some interesting bits here or there but Magi is gripping me by doing things I would never had expected.

Um... Altogether, Naruto was DEFINITELY the biggest of the big three. Taking into account that One Piece never even made the boards oversea's.

Why do you think it was cancelled so early, on every network it was aired on? Not to mention that the manga did TERRIBLY, compared to Naruto. Bleach's manga didn't do much better, but it's anime was waaaay more popular than One Piece.

One piece sold more worldwide than naruto did although i did like it much better. I'm only one person.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um... Altogether, Naruto was DEFINITELY the biggest of the big three. Taking into account that One Piece never even made the boards oversea's.

Why do you think it was cancelled so early, on every network it was aired on? Not to mention that the manga did TERRIBLY, compared to Naruto. Bleach's manga didn't do much better, but it's anime was waaaay more popular than One Piece.

Naruto's states domination doesn't really compare to OP's domination over Japan.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um... Altogether, Naruto was DEFINITELY the biggest of the big three. Taking into account that One Piece never even made the boards oversea's.

In the States maybe, One Piece is pretty big in Europe.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um... Altogether, Naruto was DEFINITELY the biggest of the big three. Taking into account that One Piece never even made the boards oversea's.

Why do you think it was cancelled so early, on every network it was aired on? Not to mention that the manga did TERRIBLY, compared to Naruto. Bleach's manga didn't do much better, but it's anime was waaaay more popular than One Piece.

Guess what? The US isn't the only other nation besides Japan. Italy, France, Spain, and Germany's anime and manga fanbases make ours look tiny. A lot of that has to do with the fact Europeans have a more cultural appreciation for art than Americans do. We tend to care about movies that feature stuff blowing up more than anything else. Not to mention, One Piece still outsells Naruto AND Bleach in Japan. Hong Kong and South Korea have anime and manga related stuff that we don't get at all, period. Besides a handful of franchises, Americans are way behind compared to some other nations.

4Kids butchered One Piece and made it look like a silly kid's show. Americans, for the most part, treat anime and manga as just exotic products rather than art forms so they expect series to fit what they define as being "tr00" or they want nothing to do with it. I tried to watch Ah! My Goddess! with someone I used to hang out with but he was upset that it wasn't like Dragon Ball because his perception is that all anime is violence and coarse language. I also regularly encounter idiots who think JJBA isn't a manga because Hirohiko Araki's art style doesn't fit their perception of what manga should be. One Piece's art style is a difficult pill for a lot of Americans to swallow.

Originally posted by Esomark
Guess what? The US isn't the only other nation besides Japan. Italy, France, Spain, and Germany's anime and manga fanbases make ours look tiny. A lot of that has to do with the fact Europeans have a more cultural appreciation for art than Americans do. We tend to care about movies that feature stuff blowing up more than anything else. Not to mention, One Piece still outsells Naruto AND Bleach in Japan. Hong Kong and South Korea have anime and manga related stuff that we don't get at all, period. Besides a handful of franchises, Americans are way behind compared to some other nations.

4Kids butchered One Piece and made it look like a silly kid's show. Americans, for the most part, treat anime and manga as just exotic products rather than art forms so they expect series to fit what they define as being "tr00" or they want nothing to do with it. I tried to watch Ah! My Goddess! with someone I used to hang out with but he was upset that it wasn't like Dragon Ball because his perception is that all anime is violence and coarse language. I also regularly encounter idiots who think JJBA isn't a manga because Hirohiko Araki's art style doesn't fit their perception of what manga should be. One Piece's art style is a difficult pill for a lot of Americans to swallow.

Yes, One Piece is outselling Naruto right now, but that's only because of the fact that Naruto is over. Most people that had subscriptions don't buy it anymore. Since they already have the series. One Piece will stay at the top for a while longer, but Bleach's sales just spiked dramatically, as of the new chapter. Won't spoil anything, but CRAZY shit happens.

I do agree with you here though. I hated the OP anime, because whoever made it treated it like a show for 5 year olds. VERY disappointing, since I never got into the manga, but still respected it for what it was. I was hoping the anime would fix that, but... I got a japanese version of Dora the Explorer.

I'm pretty sure One Piece outsells the next 5 biggest manga combined, lol.

I dont even like one piece like that but its definitely a legendary series.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yes, One Piece is outselling Naruto right now, but that's only because of the fact that Naruto is over. Most people that had subscriptions don't buy it anymore. Since they already have the series. One Piece will stay at the top for a while longer, but Bleach's sales just spiked dramatically, as of the new chapter. Won't spoil anything, but CRAZY shit happens.

I do agree with you here though. I hated the OP anime, because whoever made it treated it like a show for 5 year olds. VERY disappointing, since I never got into the manga, but still respected it for what it was. I was hoping the anime would fix that, but... I got a japanese version of Dora the Explorer.

Even when Naruto was going, One Piece was still outselling it. Naruto and Bleach also had some competition with Toriko. There were even crossovers with Dragon Ball with both One Piece and Toriko.

It wasn't 4Kids who made the anime; Toei created it but 4Kids edited it and that ruined it's reputation in the US. Funimation helped in fixing the problem but the damage was already done.

I agree about OP's English-dubbed anime ruining it's rep in the US.

I also agree about OP being the largest selling manga franchise currently, and will continue to be in the next 10 years or so.


Unfortunately, the reign of the HST is over.
When Naruto ended, it brought the concept with it.

The only franchises that I think will be on the top of the shounen mangas will be AoT (It's reception in the West is very favorable, and doing pretty decent in Japan), Toriko (It always came close to challenging the HST), and probably OPM (when the anime gets released.)

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon

I also agree about OP being the largest selling manga franchise currently, and will continue to be in the next 10 years or so.

Yea, it'll likely stay on top til it ends... and retire at a place of dominance unlike any other.


One Piece is, by a wide margin, the best selling manga of all time. The only manga to cross 400 million, when none other have crossed 300, and only three others have crossed 200 mil (Naruto, Dragonball, and Golgo 13).


Though it's per-volume sales are sliding a bit... down to 'only' 3.8 million for the initial print run as-of 77 (from 4 million). Which is still more than anything else.

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I think it's because Luffy embodies your typical Japanese guy.
Besides that, most of the characters are unique and funny.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
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I think it's because Luffy embodies your typical Japanese guy.
Besides that, most of the characters are unique and funny.

That, and pirates have that 'foreign stuff is cool' factor to them in Japan while ninja and shinigami are already familiar to them. It's the reverse as far as the US is concerned. Pirates are considered goofy and comedic in our culture while ninja and shinigami have the 'foreign stuff is cool' to them. Also, just look at forums dedicated to Naruto, Bleach, and Fairy Tail and a huge amount of threads will be polls about which female character having the best breasts or butt and posts of yuri hentai images.

The fact that it appeals to a younger age range, then doesn't lose them as they grow up likely helps.

Originally posted by Esomark
That, and pirates have that 'foreign stuff is cool' factor to them in Japan while ninja and shinigami are already familiar to them. It's the reverse as far as the US is concerned. Pirates are considered goofy and comedic in our culture while ninja and shinigami have the 'foreign stuff is cool' to them. Also, just look at forums dedicated to Naruto, Bleach, and Fairy Tail and a huge amount of threads will be polls about which female character having the best breasts or butt and posts of yuri hentai images.

hey pirates are cool too lol

Don't get me wrong. I definitely think pirates are cool. I was just saying our culture tends to think of Captain Hook and Jack Sparrow when the image of pirates comes to mind.