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What would you call Revan's actual peak, It seems like Revan thought of himself as stronger but most character believed he still couldn't take on the Emperor.

Revan 3.0 stomps.

By the time SOR had come, Revan was immensely more powerful, this is a no-contest.

Half of Revan, and dead>Revan, confirmed?

Hell, even Revan in base-TOR was at least a bit more powerful then his Novel self.

I don't think we have the same definition of the word "even."

I also think you're kidding yourself if you think that Revan 3.0 is not above Novel Revan, like what?

His feats in SOR are very impressive.

Novel Revan is not even Malgus level.

He tossed Satele and Nox aside like they were paper.

Yes, and he did those things while weakened. And he was capable of those things in the TOR: Revan. You're kidding yourself if you think it took some type of exponential growth from the novel to 3.0 for Revan to do that. Nox and Satele aren't all that, and the expansion was obviously created to knock the protags down a peg, not hype Revan up more.

So, Satele and Nox, as well as a few others, get shit-stomped by Vitiate?

Because, if I remember correctly, Satele alone was a powerhouse above Revan before the events of SOR.

By that Logic, Revan would be above Vitiate.

H.O.T. defeated a weakened Vitiate, and H.O.T. is barely above Nox in power, so, Full-Power Revan is above Vitiate, right? According to your logic.

Satele destroyed landscapes with her TK, and she grew incredibly in power after that.

Also, she defeated Malgus, and it's never implied or stated anywhere that Malgus had surpassed her. ON TOP of that, we also have the fact, that it took the Strike Team to take down Malgus, AFTER they had already taken down Revan.

Malgus =/< Satele.

Revan tosses them aside with only half his power?

Nox was supposed to be the Voice for the emperor, dude.

He was literally one of the strongest Sith of his era, possibly barring Malgus.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Nox was supposed to be the Voice for the emperor, dude.
What?

The Emperor, as in Emperor Vitiate.

Nox... was supposed to be the Emperor's Voice?

Since when was that a thing?

Play through his storyline.

After beating Baras, he was supposed to be Vitiate's voice, as Baras was supposed be Vitiate's voice, before being killed by Nox.

It was the Wrath who beat Baras, not Nox (Nox never even fought ****ing Baras)

And even so, the Wrath was the Emperor's Wrath, not the Emperor's Voice. Huge difference.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So, Satele and Nox, as well as a few others, get shit-stomped by Vitiate?
Um... what

Because, if I remember correctly, Satele alone was a powerhouse above Revan before the events of SOR.

By that Logic, Revan would be above Vitiate.
How?

H.O.T. defeated a weakened Vitiate, and H.O.T. is barely above Nox in power, so, Full-Power Revan is above Vitiate, right? According to your logic.
No, were do you get that unrelated conclusion.
SoR specificly stated he wasn't as strong as Vitiate. and he happened to outclass those people who you mentioned.

Satele destroyed landscapes with her TK, and she grew incredibly in power after that.

Also, she defeated Malgus, and it's never implied or stated anywhere that Malgus had surpassed her. ON TOP of that, we also have the fact, that it took the Strike Team to take down Malgus, AFTER they had already taken down Revan.

Malgus =/< Satele.

Revan tosses them aside with only half his power?

Malgus was winning until Jace Malcolm caught him of guard. also Malgus got a jump-start by killing elenna daru and becoming one with the force (without dying)

What are you even taking about?

BTW comparing Novel Revan to Malgus is silly as Vitiate would have killed Malgus easily.

Furthermore how would being drained, and tortured for 300 years strengthen him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It was the Wrath who beat Baras, not Nox (Nox never even fought ****ing Baras)

And even so, the Wrath was the Emperor's Wrath, not the Emperor's Voice. Huge difference. ****, getting them mixed up

Even so...

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
What are you even taking about? Maybe finish Middle School, then come back, k?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Maybe finish Middle School, then come back, k?

Watch your mouth, kid, or you're gonna find yourself floating home.

Foundry Revan > Dark Revan > Novel Revan > Prodigal Revan > Darth Revan > Mando Revan.

It's really not that hard.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Foundry Revan > Dark Revan > Novel Revan > Prodigal Revan > Darth Revan > Mando Revan.

It's really not that hard.

Foundry Revan was not that strong. He was defeated my the class-protagonists in mid game, while SoR Revan had endgame class-protagonists, Darth Marr, Satele, Lana Beniko, Theron Shan, Kakkaro, and Shae Vizsla working against him.

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Um... what


How?


No, were do you get that unrelated conclusion.
SoR specificly stated he wasn't as strong as Vitiate. and he happened to outclass those people who you mentioned.



Malgus was winning until Jace Malcolm caught him of guard. also Malgus got a jump-start by killing elenna daru and becoming one with the force (without dying)

What are you even taking about?

BTW comparing Novel Revan to Malgus is silly as Vitiate would have killed Malgus easily.

Furthermore how would being drained, and tortured for 300 years strengthen him. And he also could've killed Revan just as easily, it took him and the Exile to last as long as they did, toward's his death, Malgus would performed better. I was responding to FreshestSlice, read his argument.

Also, you come on KMC, a forum, and expect not to get insulted or called out?

Then, you threaten me, with the intention of scaring me, which obviously won't work.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So, Satele and Nox, as well as a few others, get shit-stomped by Vitiate?

Yes. Vitiate is kind of a powerhouse in the setting, in case you haven't noticed.

Lol.



Stop, you're giving me cancer.

And a random Jedi Knight can drop a building.

Dear sweet Jesus, Lord Almighty, in heaven, what the **** are you talking about?

Yes. Talking about how I need to play the game. I just had an aneurysm reading this.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
And he also could've killed Revan just as easily, it took him and the Exile to last as long as they did, toward's his death, Malgus would performed better. I was responding to FreshestSlice, read his argument.

Also, you come on KMC, a forum, and expect not to get insulted or called out?
Well if Satele, Marr, several Protagonists had trouble with a Revan who was still weaker than the Emperor, then i don't see Malgus faring much better against a Vitiate who's focused on him.

Then, you threaten me, with the intention of scaring me, which obviously won't work.

you don't even understand a Star Wars reference in a Star Wars forum. she-ssh

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Foundry Revan was not that strong. He was defeated my the class-protagonists in mid game, while SoR Revan had endgame class-protagonists, Darth Marr, Satele, Lana Beniko, Theron Shan, Kakkaro, and Shae Vizsla working against him.

Foundry Revan was the prime version of unified Revan, Dark Revan is only one half of him and lacks Spirit Revan's wisdom and clarity. Seriously just ask Ant.

I doubt many know more than Ant about Revan, but that's not exactly a stellar argument. Besides, I've seen him say Novel Revan is superior before.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes. Vitiate is kind of a powerhouse in the setting, in case you haven't noticed.

Lol.



Stop, you're giving me cancer.

And a random Jedi Knight can drop a building.

Dear sweet Jesus, Lord Almighty, in heaven, what the **** are you talking about?

Yes. Talking about how I need to play the game. I just had an aneurysm reading this. You're missing the point, Vitiate stomped both Meetra and Revan at the SAME TIME.

Yet, now using half his power, Revan can treat some of the strongest figures in TOR era like little bitches.

Revan was defeated by the strike team before Malgus was, and Malgus put up seemingly a better fight.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I doubt many know more than Ant about Revan, but that's not exactly a stellar argument. Besides, I've seen him say Novel Revan is superior before. Quotes are everything, dude. If you can vouch that he said that, then prove it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I doubt many know more than Ant about Revan, but that's not exactly a stellar argument. Besides, I've seen him say Novel Revan is superior before.

Foundry Revan was recovered from his centuries long incarceration whereas novel Revan was still recovering from years of drugging by Nyriss. Furthermore Foundry Revan learnt a shit ton in his mental war against Vitiate and the Dread Masters before being released. How is Novel Revan > Foundry Revan.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Foundry Revan was recovered from his centuries long incarceration whereas novel Revan was still recovering from years of drugging by Nyriss. Furthermore Foundry Revan learnt a shit ton in his mental war against Vitiate and the Dread Masters before being released. How is Novel Revan > Foundry Revan. Because the draining and torture apparently made him weaker :/

Jedi take that as a learning experience.

They become stronger after learning more secrets, and delving into the mind of much stronger opponents.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
You're missing the point, Vitiate stomped both Meetra and Revan at the SAME TIME.

That's because compared to him, they were nothing. Just like compared to Revan, that team was almost nothing.

And?

Completely opinionated and completely irrelevant. Revan just came out of stasis a few days-weeks prior after being slowly drained for 300 years. He's not going to be in top shape. Him over two years later, even if at half power, while being amped, is a completely different beast. None of it, however, has any bearing on novel Revan.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Quotes are everything, dude. If you can vouch that he said that, then prove it.
I'm not going to hunt for quotes by Ant. What kind of sick **** saves quotes from a forum that are made by people just as in the know as he is. That's a complete was of time, and really, really sad.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Foundry Revan was recovered from his centuries long incarceration whereas novel Revan was still recovering from years of drugging by Nyriss. Furthermore Foundry Revan learnt a shit ton in his mental war against Vitiate and the Dread Masters before being released. How is Novel Revan > Foundry Revan.
Because the Exile specifically states he was growing weaker over time? Just a guess.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's because compared to him, they were nothing. Just like compared to Revan, that team was almost nothing.

And?

Completely opinionated and completely irrelevant. Revan just came out of stasis a few days-weeks prior after being slowly drained for 300 years. He's not going to be in top shape. Him over two years later, even if at half power, while being amped, is a completely different beast. None of it, however, has any bearing on novel Revan. Revan 3.0 is not that much below Vitiate, if that were true, then H.O.T. would never ever have been able to beat him.

I will always think that H.O.T. is just barely above Nox, because he is, maybe you see it differently, but, based on what Nox has done, he is just barely below H.O.T.

Revan would've done the same thing to the H.O.T. if he wanted to, with Satele, and Marr, and the others as well.

TK'ing all of them is a HUGE feat.


It is NOT opinionated, Malgus is fought afterwards, and the entire team has grown largely since they last fought, with Revan being fought mid-game, while Malgus needs level 50's on his ass.

Reading through people discussing Revan is painful.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Revan 3.0 is not that much below Vitiate, if that were true, then H.O.T. would never ever have been able to beat him.

The **** does this even mean? Vitiate was incredibly weakened. It's not like he just got a papercut and had to use a bandaid.

Relevance?

Uh, Revan did. It's not like Nox is canonically the only one that fought in that Operation. All of the protags could.

And? Revan could have done that 300 years ago. The fact that he did it while weakened is proof enough of that.

Do you know what gameplay/story segregation is?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The **** does this even mean? Vitiate was incredibly weakened. It's not like he just got a papercut and had to use a bandaid.

Relevance?

Uh, Revan did. It's not like Nox is canonically the only one that fought in that Operation. All of the protags could.

And? Revan could have done that 300 years ago. The fact that he did it while weakened is proof enough of that.

Do you know what gameplay/story segregation is? But, so was the Hero, though you could argue it was just hyperbole.

So, Vitiate was weakened FAR FARRRR past Revan during his fight with the H.O.T.?

Because, at Full-Power, Revan, and Meetra were both stomped by Vitiate.

Yet, later on he ragdolls them with almost no effort.

Vitiate would have to have been weakened beyond comprehension to be weaker then the H.O.T. in that scenario.

Malgus was defeated later. He put up a better fight then Revan, and even during the Revan fight, they had already fought HK.

Malgus smacks the strike team like bitches with TK while Revan disappears into a white mist.

Is there anything that makes SOR Revan's opinion about himself inaccurate?

I think he was suppressed in the novel (even during the fight with Vitiate) due to all the drugging, torture and whatnot. Doesn't really make much sense for him to magically get a huge boost in time for SOR.

Novel Revan may very well be the most powerful incarnation of Revan, tbh.

Except for all of the evidence against it. There was no way that Vitiate was so weakened during his fight against H.O.T. that he turned into Revan fodder.