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Battle 1 takes place on neutral ground
Battle 2 takes place in the Valley of the Dark lords

Sabers only

lol

Vader.

Thread made me lol but probably not for the intended reason, you've seriously gone downhill both as a debater and just in all round intelligence levels tbh, have you suffered any grievous head wounds?

Fall of a great, shame.

But you and AP just implied Stormbeasts, Sion, and Traya>> Vader in skill and now this? Wtf? I thought her ability to mimic forms and beat top tier fighters like Darth Sion makes her skilled according to you two?

I'm confused here

Originally posted by carthage
But you and AP just implied Stormbeasts, Sion, and Traya>> Vader in skill and now this? Wtf? I thought her ability to mimic forms and beat top tier fighters like Darth Sion makes her skilled according to you two?

I'm confused here

Put Vader as sabers only, Traya all out, and make it so she's on a "Collosal" nexus that amps her and makes Vader physically ill.

Because that was Suriks feat, that we compared with Luke, not Vader. And no, the fact she mastered every form of Lightsaber combat makes her more skilled, than Luke

Why would if make Vader physically Ill, when did he get sick? And what difference would a nexus be of your opponent is featless as a duelist? Are Meetra's Prima guide quotes >>> Vader's feats all of a sudden? What changed why is wanking taking the place of actual comparison of feats?

Originally posted by carthage
Why would if make Vader physically Ill, when did he get sick? And what difference would a nexus be of your opponent is featless as a duelist? Are Meetra's Prima guide quotes >>> Vader's feats all of a sudden? What changed why is wanking taking the place of actual comparison of feats?

What. You're saying that our original argument was beating Traya in sabers is better than stalemating Vader, that wasn't our argument. Our argument was beating an opponent stronger in the force, on a huge nexus that impairs you, while feeling physically ill is as impressive as stalemating Vader.

That's why I'm saying if you want to compare them, you put Vader under those conditions. Let's not stray from the fact this thread was created in a pathetic attempt to ridicule an argument you've so blatantly proved you don't understand.

Oh and Traya has dueling accolades, which is enough to prove that she wasn't a pathetic hag incapable of even holding a lightsaber...

It wouldn't be as "impressive" as beating Vader unless you're doing some massive disavowal of Vader's superior feats or unable to show any feats for Traya that surpass Vader as a duelist . Obviously, throughout my thread no one riding Surik's balls was able to cough up a single dueling feat that surpasses Luke beating his father, at least without bringing up Malachor as if it changed the fact Traya and Sion sucked as duelists, or performing other odd mental gymnastics . But it doesn't matter because Surik's adaptability and 00ber knowledge of Lightsaber forms means she wins, right? Your situation is completely inapplicable to Vader he would be amped by Malachor, and in terms of feats Sion, Traya, band Stormbeasts obviously stack nowhere to Vader's accomplishments on neutral ground or anywhere tbh.

If she wasn't just blank accolades who has she beaten with a saber at all like anyone even some nondescript fodder duelist?

Traya and Sion far from 'suck' as duelists but I've come to expect this overwhelming pathetic level of intellect from the likes of you regarding KOTOR era characters.

PT/OT stomps everything else, yes we've heard it before.

Again dude just show me a single feat of skill that places apex duelists like Traya or Sion over a pathetic loser like Vader at all? I know it's hard for you to use actual feats to support your argument, but please humor this troglodyte who posts in COD videos on youtube.

I never said Vader was a pathetic loser, I am not even saying Traya and Sion are Vader tier. Instead I'm calling you out for claiming they are fodder and suck as duelists. Yet more of the KOTOR era sucks horse manure that the PT brigade churn out on a daily basis.

They do suck and your inability to find any superior feats to support your arguments is amusing to me. But keep insisting I'm biased to the PT in spite of most of my favorite characters being EU

Except my arguments are ones that only exist in your thick skull. They do not and never have 'sucked', but continue lowballing an era simply for not having massive exposure in content.

You can sit around and claim that accolades and statements are completely irrelevant, good for you I mean really if hiding behind your own set of rules and applying solely feats in debates is your personal preference go ahead. Do not however force your own rules on the debates of others, I will take feats, accolades and statements into account.

As far as singular feats go, how about how incarnation as Arren Kae where she eas a foremost warrior of famed skilled in the Order, better yet what about being Revan's primary master, both in the beginning and the end of his training.A Revan whom had already surpassed all Jedi of his day including Kavar.

The only thing Kreia taught Revan when he returned to her was, by her own admission, "how to leave the Jedi Order forever." So that has no relevance in combat.

Yet she was his first, she is largely responsible for Revan's initial training amd skill. Her own skill as one of the order's greatest warriors during the Mandalorian Wars is itself yet further indication of her own abilities in combat.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Except my arguments are ones that only exist in your thick skull. They do not and never have 'sucked', but continue lowballing an era simply for not having massive exposure in content.

Neither will your insistence that they're skilled duelists in spite of your inability to provide any feats that would put them on par with Vader or Luke. Saying they're skilled and putting your fingers in your ears, won't make them any more comparable. Feats or stfu



No you seem to be having a ball applying double standards in accolades/skill when you can't refute a source and or can't provide superior feats. Traya's accolades still wouldn't put her on par with Vader lmao

Originally posted by AncientPower
LMAO at using the movie novels that are so far out of date it's hilarious. Plenty of sources have stated Vader never went all out against Luke in either confrontation.

Oh and calling the elite Sith of an order founded upon the most combat experienced and well-trained era of Jedi ever all fodder and featless is hilarious in all honesty, lowballing the entire KOTOR era isn't going to convince any body.