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TFU2 Starkiller, everyone else at their peak. All out, neutral ground.

Odd string of threads, sir.

Gauging consensus.

Nothing's changed.

About?

The consensus.

Ahh wait, team 2 wins.

Yeah.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The consensus.

Ahh wait, team 2 wins.

Make your case.

Shaak Ti tips it in favor of team 1.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Make your case.

That'll be in about 7 1/2 hours from this moment.

Anyone want to make a case either way?

Team 2.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Anyone want to make a case either way?

Originally posted by Stigma
Shaak Ti tips it in favor of team 1.

Have to side with team 2 here.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Anyone want to make a case either way?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Anyone want to make a case either way?

Revan is better than Starkiller. He's got a lot of super deudly powers, teleportation and is just better in general. Malgus > Vader overall. He's less restricted and his lightning gives him an edge. Shaak Ti might beat Satele but overall team 2 wins.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan is better than Starkiller. He's got a lot of super deudly powers, teleportation and is just better in general. Malgus > Vader overall. He's less restricted and his lightning gives him an edge. Shaak Ti might beat Satele but overall team 2 wins.

How is Revan better than 'Killer? Teleportation surely can't be the game changer else Revan would beat any non-teleporter. How is Malgus better than Vader or, for that matter, Ti better than Satele?

I'm pretty sure I said how Revan and Malgus are better than Starkiller and Vader, lol. Teleportation is a significant advantage, I never said he wins solely based on it.

Shaak Ti might beat Satele based on her fight with Starkiller. I guess it depends on how much you rate Marek at that point. I think Satele has a chance though, for sure.

Meh, I think Satele can at least hold off Ti long enough. I personally have Malgus above Starkiller and I remember Tempest that you told me once that you have Revan above Vader and that was before SoR even came out. Since I have Revan > Vader as well(unless your opinion changed), I'm siding with team 1.

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Vader and Malgus are almost equals in my book, with Vader having the edge in overall skill but Malgus being able to counter that with lightning, an ability which Vader lacks. In the end, I think I'd go with Vader.

Revan is superior to Starkiller in terms of everything but saber skills, I think I'd side with Revan.

Satele and Ti are close, but Satele has shown a little more imo and she battled a Starkiller that was nowhere near his peak.

Originally posted by Sinious
Meh, I think Satele can at least hold off Ti long enough. I personally have Malgus above Starkiller and I remember Tempest that you told me once that you have Revan above Vader and that was before SoR even came out. Since I have Revan > Vader as well(unless your opinion changed), I'm siding with team 1.

You mean 2.

Whatever, same thing.

Well, aside from teleportation, Starkiller has better force feats than Revan imho.

Vader and Malgus are close but I'll give the edge to Vader.

Starkiller isn't that much better than Vader though, especially in sabers since Starkiller fought a Vader who significantly improved later. And everyone seems to think that Revan is better than Vader and Malgus.

Probably team 1.

Vader edges out Revan via skill, telekinesis, and speed, Starkiller would lose to Malgus in a duel but beat him with telekinesis, and Ti is somewhat more skilled than Satele.

Originally posted by Sinious
Meh, I think Satele can at least hold off Ti long enough. I personally have Malgus above Starkiller and I remember Tempest that you told me once that you have Revan above Vader and that was before SoR even came out. Since I have Revan > Vader as well(unless your opinion changed), I'm siding with team 1.

I personally do have Revan > Vader (barely). But I also have both Starkiller and Vader > Malgus. What makes you put Malgus ahead of 'Killer?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I personally do have Revan > Vader (barely). But I also have both Starkiller and Vader > Malgus. What makes you put Malgus ahead of 'Killer?

I just consider his feats to be a bit exaggerated for the sake of making a fun video game. Also, when he was fighting Vader, he was enraged like a mad dog(unless there is any information that contradict this) not to mention that wasn't peak Vader.

Originally posted by Sinious
I just consider his feats to be a bit exaggerated for the sake of making a fun video game. Also, when he was fighting Vader, he was enraged like a mad dog(unless there is any information that contradict this) not to mention that wasn't peak Vader.

That's pretty weak. What about TFU's feats are "exaggerated" versus SWTOR's? Also, how is that relevant since none of it is canon anymore. It's all Legends and Legends has never been compatibly portrayed. 👍

Well the fact that it's literally called "The Force Unleashed" should be a bit of a clue.

Problem is, it's all non-canon though. So disregarding feats from any source on the ground that it's out-of-alignment with "canon" depiction is moot.

I thought it was non-canon.

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The Legends/canon bifurcation means that the distinction is useless unless we're arguing 'canonical' depictions. But since this is about peak Legends characters, TFU is unquestionably valid here.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's pretty weak. What about TFU's feats are "exaggerated" versus SWTOR's? Also, how is that relevant since none of it is canon anymore. It's all Legends and Legends has never been compatibly portrayed. 👍

What about the ending of the game? Vader being held by the rebels etc. Doesn't it seem ridiculous to you at all?

Ti is DEFINITELY the weak link here. She loses with little difficulty to Satele, Malgus and Vader is a tough one to call.

Starkiller beating Vader is a good feat, as well as being slowed down by clones, I'd say he edges out Revan ever-so-slightly...

NOW, if this was Galen Marek, there'd be no doubt in my mind that he'd beat Revan in almost all rounds, but this version edges him out ever-so-slightly.

Starkiller > Revan, Vader = Malgus, Ti > Shan.

Originally posted by Sinious
What about the ending of the game? Vader being held by the rebels etc. Doesn't it seem ridiculous to you at all?

Compared to other Legends developments, that's pretty mild. What other reasons do you have for disregarding TFU?

Originally posted by ILS
frigate

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Compared to other Legends developments, that's pretty mild. What other reasons do you have for disregarding TFU?

Other than hating Starkiller and the fact that he beat Vader? I guess an argument can be made based on the circumstances of that fight.