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Can the father son duo take down this villainous zabrak? Or will the sandpeople loss two of there members?

I think... it depends on when you're taking A'Sharad from.

If it's when they're both alive, A'Sharad being Sharad's padawan, then Maul'll kill them both.

If it's from when A'Sharad fought Kenobi, then Maul goes down.

Originally posted by Q99
I think... it depends on when you're taking A'Sharad from.

If it's when they're both alive, A'Sharad being Sharad's padawan, then Maul'll kill them both.

If it's from when A'Sharad fought Kenobi, then Maul goes down.



Sharad Hett isn't that much of a factor considering he lost to Aura Sing.

Originally posted by Lord Stark


Sharad Hett isn't that much of a factor considering he lost to Aura Sing. That isn't a bad thing. Sing is a high tier opponent.

And it is A'sharad hett when he fought kenobi

Sharad performed fairly well in that fight also to be fair.

I think him and the A'Sharad that fought Kenobi could feasibly beat TPM Maul but SoD Maul would give them the boot, to be sure.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

Sharad Hett isn't that much of a factor considering he lost to Aura Sing.

He performed well enough in the fight to be a factor. Just not enough of one to carry things on his own if A'Sharad isn't up to it.

Originally posted by Trocity
I think him and the A'Sharad that fought Kenobi could feasibly beat TPM Maul but SoD Maul would give them the boot, to be sure. *is wondering why there's such a massive difference between Maul's*

Originally posted by ILS
*is wondering why there's such a massive difference between Maul's*


There shouldn't be.

It's TPM Maul whose confirmed to be one of the deadliest Sith in Sith history.

Originally posted by ILS
*is wondering why there's such a massive difference between Maul's*

Maul's showings simply improved. He used the force more, he got more focused. Less overconfident and show-offy (what got him cut in half against Kenobi). His rage stronger and more focused, most likely.


I mean, there's a lot of reasons one *can* attribute it to, but it boils down to, he comes across as more impressive in the Clone Wars.

He's a bit stronger in the Force and uses it more. Not seeing how that'd stop him taking out the two Sharad's the same as TCW. His dueling feats certainly aren't any better.

And for the record, his overconfidence amounts to little more than a plot device in TPM. Hasn't hindered him in a meaningful way in his many other fights.

Sidious warned him about his hubris in Plagueis iirc.

Interesting. I won't even bother differentiating between TPM and SoD Maul anymore if they're equal.

Just makes Qui-Gon Jinn that much better, tbh.

Originally posted by ILS
He's a bit stronger in the Force and uses it more. Not seeing how that'd stop him taking out the two Sharad's the same as TCW. His dueling feats certainly aren't any better.

And for the record, his overconfidence amounts to little more than a plot device in TPM. Hasn't hindered him in a meaningful way in his many other fights.

He didn't have many pre-TPM fights, at least against anyone notable. Anoon is, I think, his most impressive pre-Qui-Gon kill and Anoon has literally no other fights.

Owning Savage, fighting well against late-war Kenobi, and even his fight against Sidious are impressive.


I mean, Qui-Gon does not have a lot of duels himself, and Aurra Sing almost got the better of Qui-Gon + Kenobi, to mention someone the Hetts have also faced. Beating Qui-Gon is good, but even there, he wore Qui-Gon out over a long fight, rather than overwhelming him in any particular aspect.

Stronger in the force, and using it's offense more, *does* help, as well. There's a number of foes without good force defense, A'Sharad among them. TCW Maul would've beaten Qui-Gon faster, and may not even have had to have waited to split the pair up.

He had plenty - all of his fights in Cog Hive Seven, his fight against Komari Vosa, Anoon Bondara, Darsha Assant, the time he wiped out the Orsis Academy single handedly as a teenager, and so on. The quality of those opponents isn't the issue we're discussing - it's that Maul's arrogance hasn't hindered him any fight other than during TPM, which funnily enough is the one fight Maul has been in where he wasn't allowed to kill his opponent because of plot.

Disarming Savage is a good feat but not something TPM Maul is incapable of - all of his martial training occurred before TPM, as did all of his impressive strength feats. His fights against Kenobi are of equivalent impressiveness to outdueling Jinn and Kenobi at the same time. His fight against Sidious is his best showing but he was at his strongest in that instance - Savage had just died.

Qui-Gon is one of the best duelists the Jedi have ever produced (The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia) and has humbled Anoon Bondara in sparring (one of the best warrior's among the Jedi at that time, and someone many within the Order thought was the best duelist - while far from being true, it's still notable hype that was earned through skill with a blade).

If you'll remember, Aurra was getting by with surprise tactics and only maintained a legitimate edge over TPM Kenobi. She caught Jinn out by pulling out a second saber but otherwise he was doing fine. It was Kenobi who was getting in the way when Jinn opted to take to the roof for better positioning, and Kenobi who was being tagged. After she landed her double kick she had exhausted her tricks (her hair/second lightsaber), and voluntarily ran away because they were "more than she bargained for". So sure, it's a good showing for Aurra in terms of cunning, but let's not pretend she wouldn't have died had she not fled. And it doesn't matter if Maul chose to wear him down over time - he already proved in their Tatooine duel that he can rapidly defeat Jinn (in the novelisations of that fight Jinn is close to being depleted entirely by the time he jumps on the ship).

Sure, it helps. But it doesn't matter as much when you consider that either incarnation of Maul can outduel this duo. And I'd wager given TPM Maul's power showings and his rather cunning use of telekinesis in TPM that if the situation really called for it, he could bring telekinesis into the equation as well.

Technique-wise, sure. But strength of force brings more speed, strength, precog, etc..



Considering the A'Sharad we're using was a tough match for Kenobi, who's a rival of Maul in skill, and he has skillful backup in his dad, the dueling portion of the exercise should be quite difficult. I do think the force edge of TCW Maul should help out.

Originally posted by Q99
Technique-wise, sure. But strength of force brings more speed, strength, precog, etc..

Considering the A'Sharad we're using was a tough match for Kenobi, who's a rival of Maul in skill, and he has skillful backup in his dad, the dueling portion of the exercise should be quite difficult. I do think the force edge of TCW Maul should help out. Proof TCW Maul has better precognition/physicality than TPM in any meaningful way?

A tough match for Kenobi in an environment that suited him, yeah. I don't deny that A'Sharad is a good fighter, but he's at best as good as Qui-Gon, and I don't see Sharad being any more useful than Kenobi was, and to boot they don't have an environmental edge here.

Originally posted by ILS
He had plenty - all of his fights in Cog Hive Seven, his fight against Komari Vosa, Anoon Bondara, Darsha Assant, the time he wiped out the Orsis Academy single handedly as a teenager, and so on. The quality of those opponents isn't the issue we're discussing - it's that Maul's arrogance hasn't hindered him any fight other than during TPM, which funnily enough is the one fight Maul has been in where he wasn't allowed to kill his opponent because of plot.

Disarming Savage is a good feat but not something TPM Maul is incapable of - all of his martial training occurred before TPM, as did all of his impressive strength feats. His fights against Kenobi are of equivalent impressiveness to outdueling Jinn and Kenobi at the same time. His fight against Sidious is his best showing but he was at his strongest in that instance - Savage had just died.

Qui-Gon is one of the best duelists the Jedi have ever produced (The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia) and has humbled Anoon Bondara in sparring (one of the best warrior's among the Jedi at that time, and someone many within the Order thought was the best duelist - while far from being true, it's still notable hype that was earned through skill with a blade).

If you'll remember, Aurra was getting by with surprise tactics and only maintained a legitimate edge over TPM Kenobi. She caught Jinn out by pulling out a second saber but otherwise he was doing fine. It was Kenobi who was getting in the way when Jinn opted to take to the roof for better positioning, and Kenobi who was being tagged. After she landed her double kick she had exhausted her tricks (her hair/second lightsaber), and voluntarily ran away because they were "more than she bargained for". So sure, it's a good showing for Aurra in terms of cunning, but let's not pretend she wouldn't have died had she not fled. And it doesn't matter if Maul chose to wear him down over time - he already proved in their Tatooine duel that he can rapidly defeat Jinn (in the novelisations of that fight Jinn is close to being depleted entirely by the time he jumps on the ship).

Sure, it helps. But it doesn't matter as much when you consider that either incarnation of Maul can outduel this duo. And I'd wager given TPM Maul's power showings and his rather cunning use of telekinesis in TPM that if the situation really called for it, he could bring telekinesis into the equation as well. I disagree with this. While what you are saying is a popular theory, Aurras other feats and accolades do sajest the level of skill it would take to beat the Jinn Kenobi duo. The way I see it is that Jinn and Kenobi had plot armor. Aurra had them beat and in her character she would have killed them but since they have to live on to see TPM and ESB she could not be the one to deliver the killing blow

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I disagree with this. While what you are saying is a popular theory, Aurras other feats and accolades do sajest the level of skill it would take to beat the Jinn Kenobi duo. The way I see it is that Jinn and Kenobi had plot armor. Aurra had them beat and in her character she would have killed them but since they have to live on to see TPM and ESB she could not be the one to deliver the killing blow Profiled.

Originally posted by ILS
Profiled. I know you don't agree with everything I think, but you don't need to be a dick about it all the time

The difference to me is just more exposure in his overall skill due to the TCW show and some of his showings in the Son of Dathomir comics like briefly fighting evenly with Windu/stomping Aayla Secura. He also has more force feats so overall he should be more impressive than TPM Maul.

So kicking Aayla Secura and clashing blades with Windu for a few seconds is more impressive than his showing against Jinn and Kenobi? I highly doubt it.

And yes, he has more Force feats; bear in mind we're comparing him to the guy who not only still has his legs, but was capable of bringing a building down with a Force scream as a teenager, or could move "massive boulders" around without a shred of effort. The real difference is that TCW Maul is more unrestrained.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/bd9f0ef0d06077f4d73f5abcabbb4fdf/tumblr_n56emyn7Vm1qfctymo1_540.png

Yeah, Maul wins.