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Round 1: Pure sabers

Round 2: Telekinesis is allowed

Battle takes place in the cave of the Aing Tii

Shaak Ti wins.

Physically Ti is far faster, she has demonstrated greater strength and durability as well.

She also has greater experience and mastery of lightsaber combat and was almost good enough to kill a near prime Galen Marek. Her mastery over Form II: Makashi should certainly be crucial against Zannah's Form III: Soresu.

In telekinesis there is essentially no contest here, Ti's tk has effortlessly smashed droids, taken down Galen Marek and held back ocean levels of water.

mmm

Originally posted by AncientPower
Shaak Ti wins.

Physically Ti is far faster, she has demonstrated greater strength and durability as well.

She also has greater experience and mastery of lightsaber combat and was almost good enough to kill a near prime Galen Marek. Her mastery over Form II: Makashi should certainly be crucial against Zannah's Form III: Soresu.

In telekinesis there is essentially no contest here, Ti's tk has effortlessly smashed droids, taken down Galen Marek and held back ocean levels of water.

In pure sabers Zannah also has very little offensive power, certainly nothing that could overcome Ti.

Originally posted by Champion of L
Zannah defended well against Bane, whose lightsaber skill (possibly) and command of the Force (certainly and especially) transcends those of Ti's. I'm inclined to say she could repeat a similar performance against her as she did against Bane and eventually find a flaw in Shaak's technique.

Shaak Ti has taken on a dozen Magnaguards simultaneously. Shaak Ti has taken on Galen Marek whom was trained secretly by Darth Vader to be able to contend with Darth Sidious himself nevermind a Jedi High Council member and she schooled the boy. By this point Galen's training was near completion and his skills were already almost perfect.

What has Bane done in pure sabers that compares to that? oh I know:
Get his ass kicked as soon as Kas' im brought out Jar'kai, lol.
Barely survive Raskta Lsu's onslaught despite orbalisks, rage and nexus advantages, lol.
Beat his own apprentice, again lol.

Truly the most fearsome duelist in the mythos. Luke, Caedus, Sidious and Yoda must be shaking in their collective boots.

Shaak Ti's technique is a hybrid of Makashi and Ataru and is designed for finding flaws in an opponent's form. This all also assumes Zannah is even capable of keeping up with Shaak Ti in combat.

On the magnaguard subject, those two that fought Kenobi and Skywalker on the invisible hand were among those facing Shaak Ti. Since Kenobi nearly died to his, it's pretty obvious they weren't bad at all.

Regarding the Galen fight, since she had multiple occasions to kill him in the Graphic Novel that she chose not to, it's pretty obvious they were pretty even. And it was not a Light Side Nexus.

Originally posted by Selenial
Nothing amazingly concrete, I mean he's got the Juyo mastery confirmed which means we can wank him via Fightsaber, but his Arena feat was pretty damn impressive.

He also was beaten due to moreso fatigue against Galen rather than being overpowered by his sabers or force use.

One cannot be a master of a form and be a poor wielder of it.

Mastery denotes knowledge as well as the skill to apply it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You can't pick and choose what quotes you think apply to which I'm afraid, a valid argument could be made they don't apply to the portrayal of magnaguards in Canon, but this is Legends, and there exists no official basis for saying they don't apply to a Legends source.

I like this one, since it's actually one of the Magnaguards Ti faced:

Sexy tbh.

And let's be frank, if anything OCW will overhype the abilities of magnaguards.

Originally posted by Selenial
I like this one, since it's actually one of the Magnaguards Ti faced
Source/Quote?

? When did Ti ever fight IG-101? Though to be honest, how does it even matter? 101 is still a Magnaguard with all the same abilities, heck it's even noted as such. The only reason 101 and 102 are even noted is because of their appearance.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Source/Quote?

ROTS Novel?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
? When did Ti ever fight IG-101? Though to be honest, how does it even matter? 101 is still a Magnaguard with all the same abilities, heck it's even noted as such. The only reason 101 and 102 are even noted is because of their appearance.

Well the magnaguards varied in skill, that's why it matters. Though even then, it doesn't, since the 12 she faced were the twelve best Magnaguards in the galaxy, Grievous picked them because of that fact.

Originally posted by Selenial
Well the magnaguards varied in skill, that's why it matters. Though even then, it doesn't, since the 12 she faced were the twelve best Magnaguards in the galaxy, Grievous picked them because of that fact.

Where is it noted they varied in skill melee wise?

Also where is it noted that Grevious picked 12 of the best Magnaguards?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Where is it noted they varied in skill melee wise?

Also where is it noted that Grevious picked 12 of the best Magnaguards?



This whole magnaguard topic was addressed in the Respect Thread people

Originally posted by Selenial
This whole magnaguard topic was addressed in the Respect Thread people

That doesn't really say anything, he just picked a dozen Magnaguards, there wasn't anything special/different about them.

For Shaak Ti supporters, here's some more Galen Marek hype:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4599870-galen.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4599874-galen+2.png

Originally posted by Zenwolf
That doesn't really say anything, he just picked a dozen Magnaguards, there wasn't anything special/different about them.

So you're saying grievous would hand-pick magnaguards with absolutely no rhyme or reason for the most important mission he ever faced?

Originally posted by Selenial
So you're saying grievous would hand-pick magnaguards with absolutely no rhyme or reason for the most important mission he ever faced?

Right, there's nothing indicating that the Mangaguards picked were any different then the regular ones. Plus considering, who says the hand picked just meant he picked them over other battle droids from the CIS?...

There's no evidence that the Magnaguards were any different than others, they are all of the same design, with the same capabilities, so on and so forth.

It also doesn't matter, because it's not like it takes away from Ti's feat.

Wolf, you're forgetting that MagnaGuards remember and adapt to past experiences - their sparring with Grievous, fights against Jedi, and so on. The more battle hardened a MagnaGuard is (usually indicated by their wear and tear, which Grievous purposely leaves them with), the more adaptable and experienced they will be. They're usually distinguishable by their colouring (blue or grey) and the one's Kenobi and Anakin fought are among the few who have a unique designation. There's also a difference between Grievous's "elite", his personal bodyguards, and a regular MagnaGuard. Not a drastic difference all around, but a noticeable one to be sure.

Never really seen any much difference between Grevious' 'elite' ones and other Magnaguards unless there's some actual proven difference. I'll say there's a difference, but I don't think it's huge to the point where the skill difference would be that big.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Right, there's nothing indicating that the Mangaguards picked were any different then the regular ones. Plus considering, who says the hand picked just meant he picked them over other battle droids from the CIS?...

There's no evidence that the Magnaguards were any different than others, they are all of the same design, with the same capabilities, so on and so forth.

It also doesn't matter, because it's not like it takes away from Ti's feat.

Hand-picked implies for a specific cause and reason. If he hand picks them for a task it's because they would be the best at said task. He explains in the ROTS Novel how crucial the capture of Palpatine was, they threw away thousands of ships and millions of droids to create the distraction, you think the magnaguards that were every part as important as him wouldn't be the best?

There's a huge difference between a lot of the Magnaguards, as ILS explains.

Originally posted by Selenial
Hand-picked implies for a specific cause and reason. If he hand picks them for a task it's because they would be the best at said task. He explains in the ROTS Novel how crucial the capture of Palpatine was, they threw away thousands of ships and millions of droids to create the distraction, you think the magnaguards that were every part as important as him wouldn't be the best?

There's a huge difference between a lot of the Magnaguards, as ILS explains.

Not much a difference from what I've read.

Why would they need to be the best, if they already were the best at challenging Jedi?

If they were the best, then hell that makes the Red Guard even more badass considering a group of them held their own against a group of Magnaguards.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Not much a difference from what I've read.

Why would they need to be the best, if they already were the best at challenging Jedi?

If they were the best, then hell that makes the Red Guard even more badass considering a group of them held their own against a group of Magnaguards.

Because the best of the best is the only chance Grievous had of getting Palpatine out on a planet filled with a thousand Jedi? He knew Shaak Ti was guarding Palpatine, he had to bring Magnaguards capable of challenging a Jedi Council Member, not a Jedi.

I don't understand this argument.

Zannah dies.

Originally posted by Stigma
Zannah dies.

Originally posted by Selenial
Because the best of the best is the only chance Grievous had of getting Palpatine out on a planet filled with a thousand Jedi? He knew Shaak Ti was guarding Palpatine, he had to bring Magnaguards capable of challenging a Jedi Council Member, not a Jedi.

I don't understand this argument.

Yet we haven't seen other Magnaguards fight Council members?

What I'm not understanding is how one quote means that the Magnaguards Grevious picked were far and above any other Magnaguards. I can say that they may have a notable difference, but nothing drastic.

Though this is rather moot considering Ti only took out as many as she did because of a style that the Magnaguards were completely unable to defend from properly. Not to say that the feat can't be used, but don't use it as the sole reason.

Here this is just a strict saber duel against Zannah.

Shaak Ti rocks.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yet we haven't seen other Magnaguards fight Council members?

What I'm not understanding is how one quote means that the Magnaguards Grevious picked were far and above any other Magnaguards. I can say that they may have a notable difference, but nothing drastic.

Though this is rather moot considering Ti only took out as many as she did because of a style that the Magnaguards were completely unable to defend from properly.

Here this is just a strict saber duel against Zannah.

We have seen other guards fight Council Members, Kenobi, Koth, Gallia all fought Magnaguards.

And I'm not sure how? Her jump attacks were kind of crazy, but she disarmed and fought off two as well. Using their own blades should actually be a style they're very much used to...

Her lightsaber fight with Galen still puts her above Zannah anyway.

Originally posted by Stigma
Zannah dies.

Originally posted by Selenial
We have seen other guards fight Council Members, Kenobi, Koth, Gallia all fought Magnaguards.

And I'm not sure how? Her jump attacks were kind of crazy, but she disarmed and fought off two as well. Using their own blades should actually be a style they're very much used to...

Her lightsaber fight with Galen still puts her above Zannah anyway.

They clearly weren't used to it considering how many were wrecked, although it was kinda brief.

I sort of agree with you here. The fact that Kenobi was being pressed by the one magnaguard, yet Shaak Ti supposedly stomps a dozen of equal skill?

Seems fishy to me.

Originally posted by Trocity
I sort of agree with you here. The fact that Kenobi was being pressed by the one magnaguard, yet Shaak Ti supposedly stomps a dozen of equal skill?

Seems fishy to me.

That and prior with only her lightsaber, a single one was contending with her and wasn't stomped.

But anyway moot all around as I agree Ti wins this, was just merely questioning that Magnaguard thing.

Tbh, while the novel says elite...can't this just be as a general term?...The Magnaguards are already elite duelists from what the knowledge about them says and there is a quote saying..

"Gunray saw that Grevious was accompanied by 4 of his elite Magnaguards."

Then going onto say the elite were trained in the Jedi arts, making them more than a match for most.

The term elite doesn't necessarily mean that those specific guys are a cut above the rest. Otherwise then does that mean every time the word elite appears, this means that those guys are above the standard even when the term elite is thrown around to signify others of the same sort?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Never really seen any much difference between Grevious' 'elite' ones and other Magnaguards unless there's some actual proven difference. I'll say there's a difference, but I don't think it's huge to the point where the skill difference would be that big. You seem to be forgetting that Grievous was intially frustrated with the incompetency of the magnaguards provided him, and as a result personally trained a select few in all seven forms of lightsaber combat to meet his exacting standards:
Obviously not every Magnaguard is going to have received this elite training given their numbers and given that some didn't even serve Grievous but Dooku. And it is likely that it was these elite units that Grievous brought to Coruscant.

Though this doesn't mean every one of them was of this caliber.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You seem to be forgetting that Grievous was intially frustrated with the incompetency of the magnaguards provided him, and as a result personally trained a select few in all seven forms of lightsaber combat to meet his exacting standards:
Obviously not every Magnaguard is going to have received this elite training given their numbers and given that some didn't even serve Grievous but Dooku. And it is likely that it was these elite units that Grievous brought to Coruscant.

Though this doesn't mean every one of them was of this caliber.

I'm not seeing where it said Grevious chose a select few and again with that quote I noted, can't elite just be used as a general term?

I mean otherwise, is every time the word elite appears gonna be because those guys are a cut above all the others when the term is thrown around so loosely?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You should probably read her respect thread...

Can we just end the thread with this?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'm not seeing where it said Grevious chose a select few and again with that quote I noted, can't elite just be used as a general term?

I mean otherwise, is every time the word elite appears gonna be because those guys are a cut above all the others when the term is thrown around so loosely? So your saying that Grievous personally trained every magnaguard ever built?

Isn't he busy doing something like... winning the Clone Wars?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So your saying that Grievous personally trained every magnaguard ever built?

Isn't he busy doing something like... winning the Clone Wars?

Is that such an impossibility considering all the other ridiculousness that is in SW? How many Magnaguards are there truly anyway?

But I'm not saying he did, I'm saying though that this elite term....can be used in a loose fashion.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So your saying that Grievous personally trained every magnaguard ever built?

Isn't he busy doing something like... winning the Clone Wars? I've never read a source that doesn't say Grievous has personally trained his MagnaGuards.. it's never been indicated he only trains some.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Is that such an impossibility considering all the other ridiculousness that is in SW? How many Magnaguards are there truly anyway?

But I'm not saying he did, I'm saying though that this elite term....can be used in a loose fashion. A considerable amount, some don't even appear with Dooku.

But anyway it doesn't matter, Ti still faced this standard of droid regardless.

Though true it can, contexts are always important.Originally posted by ILS
I've never read a source that doesn't say Grievous has personally trained his MagnaGuards.. it's never been indicated he only trains some. Eh just seems like a lot of work.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Simply put, she is extremely powerful, possibly more powerful than Zannah, and not that far off from Bane

Zannah is as powerful as Bane. And both are far above Shaak Ti.

Yet both are inferior to Starkiller.

Shaak Ti is also below him.

Also, no.