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Darth Plagueis, Darth Malgus, Exar Kun.

vs.

Dark Empire Luke Skywalker, Jaina Solo Fate of the Jedi, Cade Skywalker

Battle 1: Takes place on neutral ground

Battle 2: Takes place in the cave of the Aing TII

Hmm, maybe the Sith.

DE Luke can take Plagueis but Malgus and Exra has an advantage over Jaina and Cade imho.

Sith in both.

Originally posted by Stigma
Hmm, maybe the Sith.

DE Luke can take Plagueis but Malgus and Exra has an advantage over Jaina and Cade imho.

I read that as Ezra and did a doubletake, lol.

But yeah Jaina and Cade are a bit outmatched. Maybe if Cade can pull off a Dark Transfer....

Sith win

Well...

Can Luke kill Plagueis before Jaina and Cade get killed?

Plagueis isn't exactly great with his lightsaber. If Luke can force him into melee, he'll perform below average for someone as powerful as he is...

xar Kun can hold off or dare I say even beat Luke, either way that leaves Plagueis and Malgus to clean house.

Exar beating DE Luke?.. What?..

No. Luke is far and away the strongest on the field.

However, it goes Luke, Plagueis, Kun, Cade, Malgus, Jaina.

And Cade only beats Malgus if he pulls a dark transfer.

Ulic Qel-Droma has been compared in swordsmanship to DE Luke and was infact a prefiguration of that Luke incarnation, Exar Kun depending on weaponry is either a perfect equal or a slight superior.

Dark Side DE Luke Skywalker has never faced an Exar Kun type of duelist nor anyone even close to that style yet, unpredictability and trickery is the name of Kun's quite unique game. Luke however is exactly the type of duelist Kun is used to engaging, a high tier Form V master and has nothing to show Kun that Kun hasn't spent his life learning to best.

In terms of speed I would put them on a similar tier, stamina goes to Exar Kun, durability is about equal and strength goes to Exar Kun.

Exar Kun's force power has demonstrated powerful Force Defenses easily able to tank bombing runs, reflect sorcery attacks and shrug off Sever Force attempts. Luke's Force defenses as of this point are roughly equal, tanking AT-AT shots and somewhat blocking Palpatine's low-end lightning bursts are both very impressive.

Offensively however, Luke has nothing to throw at Kun that Kun won't expect whereas Kun has a whole bag of sorcery that Vader, nevermind DE Luke, doesn't understand the first thing about and would be game-changing.

Lastly Exar Kun has a high-tier precognition ability that Luke can't over come nor match in efficiency, everything Luke does Exar will have prepared a counter for.

You're either underestimating the guy who beat DE Sidious, or seriously over estimating Exar Kun.

DE Luke + Leia's battle mind + Anakin Solo & Leia Organa Solo's amp barely made the difference to stop a DE Sidious who was essentially caught off-guard.

Is quoting the powers of an extremely powerful Dark Lord of the Sith whom has been placed above Darth Vader and even suggesting that he might beat DE Luke over-estimating? I hardly think so.

More to the point, Kun isn't even the strongest guy on team Sith.

Plagueis is.

That is very debatable.

The only thing Tom said was that Ulic and Luke are both excellent swordsmen, lol. Ulic is a prefiguration of Luke in the sense that he has similar traits to Luke (excellent swordsmanship, rashness, impulsiveness, etc.), not because he rivals Luke in skill.

Except it's a direct comparison between two characters he based off of one another, he said Ulic was a pre figuration of Luke, including in swordsmanship. They are essentially the same, hence the term pre-figuration.

He said Ulic was a prefiguration of Luke as a result of numerous similar traits (ie. excelling in lightsaber combat, the rashness and impulsiveness of his character, etc.).

The comparison was of the numerous characteristic elements that were similar between the two, but the most he said regarding their skill was that they were both excellent swordsmen. That's all. That, combined with their character similarities, is what makes Ulic a "prefiguration" of Luke. That's all he needs to be an indication of a future character (Luke), which is all he says. In other words, they're comparable as characters due to the number of traits they share. "Excellent swordsman" is a pretty ambiguous and not exactly overwhelming accolade. Ulic has better, to be honest.

Also, where does he mention that it's DE Luke he is talking about? Somebody else told me he was comparing Ulic to RotJ Luke.

Yet comparing them as excellent swordsman infers off the bat that they are comparable in this manner, this is supported by Ulic himself being a master Form V duelist and a prodigal Jedi rivalled only by one other in his time.

The comparison is loose at best, to be honest.

The rest isn't relevant.

Point being that Ulic and by extension Kun was already among the greatest of all time, certainly one of the very best of the pre-rise timeline, this comparison only serves to cement his place in the mythos.

That can be said for HoT, as well.

It could be, but that is irrelevant in the face of Ulic's greater and more fleshed out abilities. Furthermore in the battle they are engaging in, he is working side by side with his fellow Dark Lord and master, whom coincidentally is the strongest in the battle.

HoT's abilities are just as good as Ulic's.

Plagueis is the strongest combatant here, but Kun is quite close as well.

Potentially taking on Kun for hours is a better dueling feat than anything HoT has done IMO.

Apologies, I mixed this up with the guantlet.

That's a stamina feat.

Well it also means he's pretty much evenly matched with Exar Kun.

The Sith don't stomp, but this isn't a difficult decision tbh.

Being matched evenly with Exar >> anything Hero has done with a blade imo.

Not sure why he's being brought up in this thread though.

Originally posted by carthage
Being matched evenly with Exar >> anything Hero has done with a blade imo.

I'm sure something could be brought up for Hero that's comparable to beating Vodo lol.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm sure something could be brought up for Hero that's comparable to beating Vodo lol.

Yeah the person who was stated to stand no chance when Exar was at his arguable peak lol

Ulic really has no chance against master duelists like Angral, Tarnis, and the ****ing almighty Warren Sedoru ?!!?

Anyways, as I said earlier, Kun's not the strongest Sith. That goes to Plagueis. So I don't think the Sith are going to send their 2nd best guy up against Luke.

Speaking of which, I made the vs. thread, above, to prove my point that Plagueis is indeed>Kun.

Hero defeated the Imperial Guard, which Nyriss admitted would kill her, on a Dark Side Nexus.

A pre-peak Hero also stalemated/defeated Scourge, who's feared by Dark Council members and has cut down a thousand notable Sith in his time.

And yeah, defeating 3 of the Jedi Order's best while they're being amped by Vitiate is pretty good too.

Not seeing how being better than Vodo Siosk Baas is >> Hero's accomplishments really.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Hero defeated the Imperial Guard, which Nyriss admitted would kill her, on a Dark Side Nexus.

A pre-peak Hero also stalemated/defeated Scourge, who's feared by Dark Council members and has cut down a thousand notable Sith in his time.

And yeah, defeating 3 of the Jedi Order's best while they're being amped by Vitiate is pretty good too.

Not seeing how being better than Vodo Siosk Baas is >> Hero's accomplishments really.

Ulic's killed non force sensitives and a Darksider that held off Two Jedi at once while hindered by a nexus as well . He's also held off a Jedi while stripped from the force, and was the only jedi in the order who could match Kun on neutral ground without dying. Ulic is also better than Vodo so stop trying to make it seen like Vodo is his best kill lol.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well it also means he's pretty much evenly matched with Exar Kun.

The Sith don't stomp, but this isn't a difficult decision tbh.

I'm aware of that, but the whole "lasting for hours" thing that people throw around is more of a stamina feat than anything else. And Exar's skill feats don't exceed the Hero's, either.

Nope Kun > HoT, for certain.

Stamina is integral to a pure sabers fight so it qualifies as both.

I was referring to sheer skill. Most lightsaber fights don't transcend the one minute mark.

Tol Braga fought Sajar for 3 days or something. Didn't stop the Hero from kicking his ass, despite an amp. Plus they fought through numerous fortresses and bases over the course of the game and plowed through Kaas City (host to legions of Sith), then fought through the Dark Temple defenses and Imperial Guard and beat Vitiate in an apocalyptic battle without even being out of breath.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Tol Braga fought Sajar for 3 days or something. Didn't stop the Hero from kicking his ass, despite an amp. Plus they fought through numerous fortresses and bases over the course of the game and plowed through Kaas City (host to legions of Sith), then fought through the Dark Temple defenses and Imperial Guard and beat Vitiate in an apocalyptic battle without even being out of breath.

Quote on her not being out of breath?

You seem to be implying the feat was accomplished easily or without effort. Unsurprisingly to anyone who's watched you debate a TOR character before, you're wrong.

Well you can see in the cutscene that she isn't out of breath.

I'm definitely not saying it was easy, but the cutscene is the cutscene. Vitiate clearly pushed her hard and even when on his knee's could push her back with the Force.