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Force vs magic only.

Battle takes place on Korriban.

Who wins.

I'm siding with Talzin atm

I'm going with the guy who beat Abeloth.

Going with the woman that doesn't need PIS to look impressive :maybe

Krayt.

Darth Krayt wins

Talzin.

Krayt

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm going with the guy who beat Abeloth.

No, he didn't.

But he wins.

Hmm, could probably go both ways.

Talzin, Krayt is closer to Vader level that Sidious.

Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Talzin, Krayt is closer to Vader level that Sidious.

Krayt isn't defeating a "powerhouse who can go toe to toe with Sidious"

Can she go toe to toe with Sidious outside of her hood? This fight takes place on Korriban which would amp Krayt more than it would amp Talzin.

Originally posted by Sinious
Can she go toe to toe with Sidious outside of her hood? This fight takes place on Korriban which would amp Krayt more than it would amp Talzin.

The quote doesn't say "Talzin is a powerhouse who on her home turf can go toe to toe with Sidious." It says "Talzin is a powerhouse who can go toe to toe with Sidious."

Also while Talzin had a powerboost on Dathomir, it was also implied she could have been weakened during the fight. She also was able to hold back Dooku and Sidious' lightning at one point. Lets not forget that Sidious' alone brought Yoda's defenses to the max.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
The quote doesn't say "Talzin is a powerhouse who on her home turf can go toe to toe with Sidious." It says "Talzin is a powerhouse who can go toe to toe with Sidious."

Also while Talzin had a powerboost on Dathomir, it was also implied she could have been weakened during the fight. She also was able to hold back Dooku and Sidious' lightning at one point. Lets not forget that Sidious' alone brought Yoda's defenses to the max.

*slowly points to post she made on the matter*

I'm still undecided on the thread at hand however. I put Krayt pretty close to ROTS Sidious as it is.

I'd lean Talzin though.

Talzin clearly wasn't a match for Sidious outside of Dathomir.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Talzin clearly wasn't a match for Sidious outside of Dathomir.



The entire story revolved around this tbh. Originally posted by Selenial

I put Krayt pretty close to ROTS Sidious as it is.



What's with this Krayt wank I've been seeing these days?

Clearly, the "toe-to-toe" quote referred to the context of an encounter on Dathomir. If she really could go toe-to-toe with him on other worlds, she wouldn't have to lure him to Dathomir to kill him, which was her ultimate goal during SoD.

Oh, and Talzin enjoyed far less success against some pirates just because the location was "sterile" to her, whereas Palpatine killed them all with no issue and Talzin was palpably afraid/wary of him at that stage, and that was pre-TPM Sidious.

Obviously, if she couldn't sustain her powers in such a location (where Sidious would have no particular difficulty using his own powers), then she's not going "toe-to-toe" with a more powerful version of Palpatine in such a location. So the quote is clearly referring to Dathomir.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Clearly, the "toe-to-toe" quote referred to the context of an encounter on Dathomir. If she really could go toe-to-toe with him on other worlds, she wouldn't have to lure him to Dathomir to kill him, which was her ultimate goal during SoD.

Oh, and Talzin enjoyed far less success against some pirates just because the location was "sterile" to her, whereas Palpatine killed them all with no issue and Talzin was palpably afraid/wary of him at that stage, and that was pre-TPM Sidious.

Obviously, if she couldn't sustain her powers in such a location (where Sidious would have no particular difficulty using his own powers), then she's not going "toe-to-toe" with a more powerful version of Palpatine in such a location. So the quote is clearly referring to Dathomir.

Why are you using a far pre-prime Talzin despite the fact she explains she learned how to wield the force?

And toe-to-toe doesn't mean beat. Just because she had to lure him to Dathomir to kill him doesn't mean she couldn't compete with him on any other planet

Besides, unless I'm mistaken, that quote came out long before they actually had a fight on Dathomir. I'd hardly say it's "clearly" referring to an event that happened a year later...

Originally posted by SunRazer
Talzin clearly wasn't a match for Sidious outside of Dathomir.

How do you figure? She wrecked Dooku from across the galaxy. Sidious did the same. Not saying she'd ever win against Sidious, but I doubt she'd be stomped off nexus.

Originally posted by Selenial
Why are you using a far pre-prime Talzin despite the fact she explains she learned how to wield the force?

And toe-to-toe doesn't mean beat. Just because she had to lure him to Dathomir to kill him doesn't mean she couldn't compete with him on any other planet

Besides, unless I'm mistaken, that quote came out long before they actually had a fight on Dathomir. I'd hardly say it's "clearly" referring to an event that happened a year later...

Sidious was at least as far from his RotS incarnation, lol. And the fact that Talzin still never demonstrated much potency outside of Dathomir only supports my case.

Going toe-to-toe doesn't mean beat, sure, but it would imply a similar level of performance as we saw in SoD #4, and I'd say that's what the quote was referring to. Are you suggesting that Talzin can manage a comparable performance against Sidious off Dathomir?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
How do you figure? She wrecked Dooku from across the galaxy. Sidious did the same. Not saying she'd ever win against Sidious, but I doubt she'd be stomped off nexus.

She didn't wreck Dooku in nearly the same manner as Sidious did. She wrecked him on Dathomir, not to mention it was a non-combat-applicable ritual requiring a specific set-up, unlike Choke. Off-Dathomir, without prep, she isn't doing that.