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The badass vs the emo who would win

Anakin pretty solidly?

So he's hindered here like he was against Kenobi?

He'd still die. Vos doesn't have the benefit of being Obi-Wan.

Perhaps.
But if Dark Disciple Vos is someone capable of beating Count Dooku, then I wouldn't rule him out against a hindered Anakin who couldn't even best Kenobi in a telekinetic battle.

That's actually pretty dumb logic considering Anakin didn't actually want to kill Obi-Wan and was having conflicting feelings on the entire ordeal. There's also the fact that Kenobi isn't piss poor in TK and Vos doesn't have anything to make him above him.

Which is why I asked if he's hindered like he was against Kenobi. And, I never said Kenobi had piss poor TK; nice red herring there buddy.

No, you just implied that because Anakin couldn't "even best Kenobi in a TK battle," this somehow made him a lesser opponent, which it doesn't. Not only that, it also implies that because Vos was able to defeat Dooku he is also able to overcome Kenobi with TK as Dooku could, which it doesn't. If that wasn't the intent, there was really no point in saying that. There's also no point in asking if Vader would somehow be hindered against Vos for no reason, but my point was, even if he was, he would still defeat Vos because he's more powerful and is a far better swordsman.

1) Considering Anakin at his best is capable of rag-dolling someone like Kenobi, I say that does make him a lesser opponent.

2) Ummm, what? I implied no such thing, LAWL. I was simply saying if Vos could overcome someone like the Count in the a duel - he stands a chance here. You're pulling assumption out of your ass that wasn't close to being implied, mate. My post implied no such rag-doll, it pointed out how hindered Anakin's power was.

3)Read above.

4)Excuse me sir, I didn't know you were the OP.

5) If that's your opinion on the outcome, then fair enough.

Anakin. Both were able to defeat dooku however I still don't accept vos' win over dooku as it just doesn't seem right, but there it is. However Anakin has better training and was able to match the count even without being in his ziost mode.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
1) Considering Anakin at his best is capable of rag-dolling someone like Kenobi, I say that does make him a lesser opponent.

...bruh. Comment was obviously about this match. That's basic comprehension at its finest. I mean really.

No. No it did not. And I said nothing about ragdolling. For someone who wants to make accuasations about asspulling, you sure are doing a lot of it. Vos beating Dooku does not mean he stands a chance here. Anakin on Mustafar is Anakin at his most powerful before the OT/Rebels. That means the Anakin that completely demolished Dooku, which Vos didn't do, is weaker than the Anakin faced here. And ABC logic doesn't really help Vos anyway. Finally, Anakin at his best probably still won't overcome Obi-Wan that easily they attacked at the exact same time in the exact same way, and both were TK'd. The fact that Obi-Wan didn't fall over dead doesn't change that.

You don't need to be the OP to think. You could also actually read the RotS novel to know exactly what was happening on Mustafar.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Anakin on Mustafar is Anakin at his most powerful before the OT/Rebels.
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Pre-Suit Vader clearly wasn't invincible given Kenobi defeated him (granted Kenobi knew him really well, but it was still Kenobi and not say Dooku or Windu). Whilst fully DS Vos (I assume that's the version of Vos we're talking about here) was above Dooku (maybe only a little above him and not in every aspect, but he was overall above him).

I don't think Anakin was faster than Dooku, in fact if anything, Dooku was usually portrayed as faster every time he fought off Obi-Wan and Anakin together. And DS Vos was faster than Dooku


So if Vader wins, it's with great difficulty. And I wouldn't count DS Vos out. He has a decent shot at this.

Well, to be fair, Anakin was hindered enough to the point where he couldn't even sense Obi-Wan, but at the same time, Vos isn't Kenobi. Anakin could well still win here.

Originally posted by SunRazer
, but at the same time, Vos isn't Kenobi. Anakin could well still win here.

Mmm, depends. Anakin was already very emotionally distraught even after he killed the Separatist Leaders (crying). Padme's arrival, her bringing his actions into context, and his subsequent choking of her (with their unborn children inside of her) certainly didn't help at all. + The cherry on top of this emotional shitcake is he was fighting the man who raised him, and knew his every move.

Anakin's emotions make him easier to read (snarling before every lunge), and likely will make him sloppier. If this is Mustafar Anakin prior to Padme's arrival, I'd give it to Anakin. Post-Padme's arrival, Vos capitalizes on Anakin's instability.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mmm, depends. Anakin was already very emotionally distraught even after he killed the Separatist Leaders (crying). Padme's arrival, her bringing his actions into context, and his subsequent choking of her (with their unborn children inside of her) certainly didn't help at all. + The cherry on top of this emotional shitcake is he was fighting the man who raised him, and knew his every move.

Anakin's emotions make him easier to read (snarling before every lunge), and likely will make him sloppier. If this is Mustafar Anakin prior to Padme's arrival, I'd give it to Anakin. Post-Padme's arrival, Vos capitalizes on Anakin's instability. I couldnt agree with this more. Even after killing mace, swearing loyalty to palpatine, storming the temple, killing younglings, choking padme and thinking kenobi turned her against him, Anakin still gave him a chance to just walk away.

And all of that magically makes Vos win? Nah.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And all of that magically makes Vos win? Nah.


Well it magically made Kenobi win.

Granted he taught Anakin. Still Kenobi is solidly below Dooku overall as proven many times.

Considering the fact that "made" is the past tense of an event that actually has happen, and not a hypothetical match on an internet Forum; yes - you were talking about Anakin during that period. You explicitly stated Anakin wasn't an lesser opponent despite being unable to defeat Obi-Wan in a TK battle.

All in all, I think you're missing my viewpoint; I'm arguing for Anakin at the levels he was when he fought Obi-Wan; not while unhindered.



Um, dude. You said I implied Vos would be able to overcome Kenobi with TK like Dooku did - and The Count rag-dolled the shit out of Obi-Wan, tbh.



Again, my entire argument in this thread was based of the fact, I took Anakin as he was on Mustafar, as Anakin at the levels he was at when dueling Obi-Wan. I already know Anakin at his best during RotS would obliterate Vos by making him a "joke" similar to the way he did Dooku on The Invisible Hand.

As several points made here above, Anakin wasn't 100% on Mustafar. From being unable to sense Obi-Wan's presence, from crying as he down the Separatist leaders, to the fact sources have stated "Anakin had still been between worlds then, and vulnerable.".




Proof of this, plz.



Listing Vos feats, isn't A>B>C logic, tbh.



Anakin at his best would absolute obliterate Obi-Wan in a telekinetic battle. I don't care if they did attack at the same way, at the same time.



Yeah, no. I read the novel, watched the movie, read the comic, and played the crappy original game. My question to if Anakin is emotionally hindered like he was against Obi-Wan is a valid one, seeing as how this is the Mustafar version of the character we're using.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo

Anakin at his best would absolute obliterate Obi-Wan in a telekinetic battle. I don't care if they did attack at the same way, at the same time.



Yeah that just shows how equally they were fighting each other, in speed, movement, skill and power.


Whilst when Dooku and Anakin got into a Force Tk contest in TCW movie, Anakin ends up floored on his butt and disarmed of his weapon. They didn't just both freeze then both go flying back equally. Because Dooku's TK was simply much more powerful than Anakin's at that point.

And when Dooku catches Obi-Wan with a force grip and Anakin with a force kick, both off guard, it just shows Dooku was outfighting them both. Dooku was simply showing his superior skill and speed at that point.

This guy gets it. I'd also like to point out that Anakin beating Dooku, much like Vos beating Dooku, does not mean he is equal or superior to Dooku in any area besides the one he used to kill him.

^ Yep Dooku had Anakin on his ass for 10 seconds before Anakin defeated him. And Dooku had Vos caught in a Force Grip before Vos defeated him.

Therefore Dooku definitely still had a shot at winning either of those fights due to superior Skill, Knowledge of the Force e.t.c.

And yes, as far as I can tell Anakin was only superior to Dooku in raw power/strength (as applied to a Saber fight), which is how he won.
And Vos was only superior to Dooku in speed and unpredictability, which is how he won. (Of course that was only fully DS Vos. LS Vos won't be that good as far as we know).

I feel like the Force gap between Dooku and Anakin wasn't as big as the one between Dooku and Vos however.