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I think this would be a great battle, and no matter who would win there is absolutely no way it would be an easy victory for either side.

all out battle
neutral ground

Obviously Caedus.

It's a better fight but Caedus still wins. Kyle would get wrecked in the Force, and both are outclassed physically/skilfully.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's a better fight but Caedus still wins. Kyle would get wrecked in the Force, and both are outclassed physically/skilfully.

There isn't another speeder to mess him up in this though

Good thing he doesn't need one.

He almost lost his legs and Caedus easily deflected all of his blows. Katarn isn't a good duelist at all

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
There isn't another speeder to mess him up in this though

There's also no backup Jedi to save Kyle from getting amputated quickly, other than Kyp, who's also outclassed skilfully.

Originally posted by SunRazer
There's also no backup Jedi to save Kyle from getting amputated quickly, other than Kyp, who's also outclassed skilfully.

you mean the back up of two featless Jedi, one barely decent Jedi?

Wow, they're making a big difference. not like they got in the way of him or an anything.

No speeder here for Caedus.

No decent, i use that word very loosely mind you, Jedi here.

Only Kyle, and Kyp, one of Luke's most powerful students and an exceptional duelist

You can keep ignoring the fact that he easily deflected his blows, and that Kyle would've lost his legs were it not for help. Caedus would kick his ass with one arm

Please tell me how a speeder would make a difference. If Caedus had substituted hurling the speeder for a telekinetic attack, Kyle would still die. Oh, and if you want to play circumstances, Caedus was injured in that duel.

Your fourth sentence doesn't even make sense, and I'm aware that Kyp is extremely powerful. He can't do anything with his power and his dueling skills aren't comparable to Caedus'.

Originally posted by carthage
Katarn isn't a good duelist at all
Luke Skywalker would disagree with you.

lol Fated you just posted an excerpt that contradicts your post. You said they got in each other's way, while the quote you posted has Caedus musing that they were coordinating and that it was good for them, bad for him.

Originally posted by carthage
Katarn isn't a good duelist at all

I like, got: Ebola, cancer, AIDS, Bubonic Plague, and Malaria simultaneously from this comment.

I like, got: The blue shadow virus tbh

As for th thread, Katarn 's power in the Force is lacking tremendously to the point he'll be stomped by Caedus with a couple of Force Repulses.

Kyp, would fair much better, but he's probably a tier behind Caedus in skill and a full tier or two, in everything regarding physical exertion in the Force. In terms of Force abilities, I stand by the fact that they're even in regards to strength in the Force, but Caedus has more to bring to the tabke giving his knowledge of the esoteric Force power and such. It's a good match, but Jacen would take the majority.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Please tell me how a speeder would make a difference. If Caedus had substituted hurling the speeder for a telekinetic attack, Kyle would still die. Oh, and if you want to play circumstances, Caedus was injured in that duel.

and Kyle had terribly weak warriors to help him there.

Plus Kyle had his hand ready to defend his attack, instead of a full on TK Blast, Caedus chose to use a Speeder to try and take out Kyle.

Hell, most of the time he was trying to avoid accidentally killing his allies.

Here he has a superior allies in the face of Kyp.



so.. his TK sucks? Moving a freighter? Black hole = nothing?

Legit.

Not to mention that Luke considers Viun Gaalan to be on the same level as Kyp and Kyle, which is implying that the two did get better after Vaedus' death

But that means, nothing.

legit

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
and Kyle had terribly weak warriors to help him there.

Plus Kyle had his hand ready to defend his attack, instead of a full on TK Blast, Caedus chose to use a Speeder to try and take out Kyle.

Hell, most of the time he was trying to avoid accidentally killing his allies.

Here he has a superior allies in the face of Kyp.


so.. his TK sucks? Moving a freighter? Black hole = nothing?

Legit.

Not to mention that Luke considers Viun Gaalan to be on the same level as Kyp and Kyle, which is implying that the two did get better after Vaedus' death

But that means, nothing.

legit

1. If you're implying that if Caedus had used direct telekinesis instead that Kyle wouldn't have been wrecked, you're wrong.

2. It's great that he has better allies - all that means is that Caedus isn't stomping here.

3. You got "his TK sucks" from "I'm aware he's extremely powerful"? Remarkable.

His TK is great, but not enough to do anything drastic to Caedus. And he won't be summoning the concentration required for the black hole feat.

4. That quote doesn't imply they improved at all. It only suggests they're good. And once again, Caedus was injured in that fight, so he'll be better in this one.

Kyp dies.

Originally posted by Trocity
Kyp dies.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. If you're implying that if Caedus had used direct telekinesis instead that Kyle wouldn't have been wrecked, you're wrong.

Oh? and you have evidence that states Kyle wouldn't have been able to deflect or hold back said blast?

No?

http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/3f/200x200px-ZC-3f6d57b7_judgejudygif.gif



and Kyle can focus more on trying to kill Vaedus, rather than not killing his allies.



Oh? did you forget you said.

"He can't do anything with his power?"

Hmm, how convenient for you.



good thing Kyle, who has reduced walls of bricks to nothing, and held a roof over the heads of him and his Padawan, while recovering from a Lightning blast and a TK shot, is there, right?



yeah, and evidently, the two Jedi in this regard, have also increased in power, more so than the already dead Jaden. Kay? kay

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
good thing Kyle, who has reduced walls of bricks to nothing, and held a roof over the heads of him and his Padawan, while recovering from a Lightning blast and a TK shot, is there, right?
Irrelevant to Caedus.

I honestly think they could possibly win bc they are imo 2 of the top 5 best jedi in the new jedi order. but i also think there is a good chance they could lose.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Oh? and you have evidence that states Kyle wouldn't have been able to deflect or hold back said blast?

No?

http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/3f/200x200px-ZC-3f6d57b7_judgejudygif.gif



and Kyle can focus more on trying to kill Vaedus, rather than not killing his allies.



Oh? did you forget you said.

"He can't do anything with his power?"

Hmm, how convenient for you.



good thing Kyle, who has reduced walls of bricks to nothing, and held a roof over the heads of him and his Padawan, while recovering from a Lightning blast and a TK shot, is there, right?



yeah, and evidently, the two Jedi in this regard, have also increased in power, more so than the already dead Jaden. Kay? kay

1. Yeah, the fact that Caedus is vastly more powerful. I don't need a stone-hard statement saying "Caedus would've ragdolled him" - all I need is some showings from Caedus which completely outclass Kyle's. If you're suggesting Kyle is actually comparable to Caedus in Force power, then we're done debating. The Judge Judy GIF is an excellent substitute for inability to prove Kyle actually compares to Caedus in power. Speaking of which, you do know what Caedus' power feats are, right? If not, I'll post some later or Ant can do the same.

2. They were synergising by Caedus' own musing, so it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

3. Yeah, to Caedus, who is as powerful as he is in the Force. Doesn't mean Kyp's TK is crap. Reading isn't difficult.

4. Good thing that doesn't compare to Caedus' Force power, right?

5. That doesn't even make sense. And Caedus was injured in that fight, which he won't be here. Likewise, you haven't shown me anything that suggests Kyle or Kyp improved. Being on par with a Lost Tribe Sith by Luke's estimation doesn't imply improvement, lol, unless you had some alternate version of Backlash which includes Luke musing about their improvement?

And his name is Jacen, not Jaden.

How does Caedus wrecking Katarn and his Jedi escort translate to Kyle being Caedus tier?

Nova humiliating Fated tbh

Originally posted by AncientPower
How does Caedus wrecking Katarn and his Jedi escort translate to Kyle being Caedus tier?

but dood wut abowt da speedur?????

you're an aTROCITY

I think duo has a chance

Caedus in a good fight. Kyp and Kyle are solid, but they're not in the realm of the true Jedi heroes.

Good fight. Are Kyp and Katarn allowed to mind link?

Mind like... Sure...

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Obviously Caedus.

I take back this horrific argument.

My powers have expanded to a plane no mortal has achieved

Good thing I'm immortal then.

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I'm backing team, Kyp being the obvious MVP.

Caedus.