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This will be the second installment of SWTOR vs. PT! (and OT kek). This matchup pits some of the strongest TOR era jedi against the Dark Side Incarnate, a being that is as much of a machine as a man. Onto the combatants:

Master Tol Braga
Aryn Leneer
Master Wyellett

vs:

Darth Vader.

All fighters are in peak incarnations, and the fight takes place in Emperor Vitiate's throne room. Which side will prevail?

Leneer is a minor threat in terms of sabers, But Vader is still more skilled and more powerful by a great deal.

The other two are fodder for telekinetic raping

Mismatch in the favor of Team.

Honestly, each member of Team 1 is a powerhouse and can contend with Darth Vader . All members of the Team are overkill.

lol

Anyway, Vader. Leneer isn't a minor threat, but she can't carry this team.

She could offer a workout for Legends Vader at least, imo.

She'd never win a single round though, and if this is canon Vader he slaughterhouses

Vader wins.

Legends Vader: Maul/Exar/Jaina level skill

Canon: Yoda/Sidious tier level skill

The Swtor team. This is too much for Vader.

The SWTOR team doesn't have a chance.

He can solo all three in sabers with ease.

Bump

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Honestly, each member of Team 1 is a powerhouse and can contend with Darth Vader . All members of the Team are overkill.

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Vader with difficulty.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
each member of Team 1 is a powerhouse and can contend with Darth Vader .

Legend on bath salts again.

The magnitude of Darth Vader 'wanking' in this thread is disgusting. Since when is Vader godlike?

Vader brought down Freighters with the Force in LOTS and in the SW comics does things like stop the stomp of an AT-AT, would have destroyed it with the Force if Luke didn't come in and save Han and crew, withstood a blaster bolt from said AT-AT and it only knocked off his helmet, tanked the explosion of that weapons factory he was in, repelled massive boulders from falling on him with the Force, and a bunch of other stuff. What does TOR team have?

Hero collapsed a ceiling, lol

Vader force pushes and does to the team like he did to the Lyleks.

Darth Vader, though Leneer makes him work for it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The magnitude of TOR 'wanking' in each of my comments is disgusting.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Vader brought down Freighters with the Force in LOTS and in the SW comics does things like stop the stomp of an AT-AT, would have destroyed it with the Force if Luke didn't come in and save Han and crew, withstood a blaster bolt from said AT-AT and it only knocked off his helmet, tanked the explosion of that weapons factory he was in, repelled massive boulders from falling on him with the Force, and a bunch of other stuff. What does TOR team have?
A powerful Force-user should be capable of performing these actions. None of these showings are extraordinary in the grand scheme of things. Darth Vader just happens to be well-explored in the context of feats and events in both Legends and Canon content of the lore, and some fans mistakenly assume that only few can perform these actions.

If a powerful Jedi faces a military vehicle in a battle, I would vouch for the Jedi on the basis of common sense. While a military vehicle might be capable of killing the Jedi with its firepower, the Jedi is still more likely to destroy it.

Darth Malgus haven't been depicted collapsing buildings with his Force powers but he defeated/killed a powerful Jedi in a confrontation who have such showings. If these two haven't officially clashed, many fans would have given the nod to the mysterious Jedi in a hypothetical versus scenario.

Each member of the referred Strike Team is a powerhouse:

Aryn Leener (simultaneously) lifted 6 'cars' of a Tram and hurled them like missiles towards the positions of some enemies with her telekinetic abilities in a confrontation. You understand what a Tram is, right? I assume that she can knock down or destroy an AT-AT.

Tol Braga have also been depicted ripping apart and hurling heavy objects like missiles towards a target with his telekinetic abilities. In-fact, he is officially recognized as one of the most powerful and resolute Jedi. Therefore, his official standing creates room for imagination about what else he is capable of.

Master Wyellet is also a Force-user of such a caliber who would inspire legends in years to come. He proved his mettle in combat time and again, and was the sole survivor of destruction of an Imperial Starship:

The Imperial starship that was transporting Wyellett was destroyed in the Battle of Hoth, and Master Wyellett has been believed dead all these years. In fact, Wyellett has been in a trance beneath the rubble of the fallen ship, psychically trying to reach out to his former pupil. Now, Wyellett has transcended the concerns of this galaxy and his powers are more realized than ever before. (From Star Wars: The Old Republic)

Honestly, it takes a Jedi of legendary repute and Force abilities to survive in these kind of life-threatening situations.

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I am being realistic. Vader's chances of handling these 3 powerhouses simultaneously are slim to none even under right circumstances.

6 whole cars?! Damn. May need to consider then.

Originally posted by Trocity

Intentionally misquoting or misrepresenting a member's statement is not an ethical practice. Kindly avoid it.

It is due to members like you that (so-called) TOR 'wanking' becomes necessary at some point. Otherwise, we get claims like Anakin Skywalker blitzing Vitiate and vice versa.

Vader.

Nobody here except Aryn holds a candle to Vader. Collectively, it's a good fight but they all fall.

@Nargaroth

How exactly is blowing apart two defenseless creatures an epic demonstration of power?

I've seen the quote before. I was being facetious. It's not nearly as impressive as you think it is.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I've seen the quote before. I was being facetious. It's not nearly as impressive as you think it is.
Simultaneously hurling several large and heavy objects like missiles is not impressive?

Not when random Jedi can collapse buildings, no.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not when random Jedi can collapse buildings, no.
I don't recall 'random' Jedi collapsing buildings in any era.

And yet random Jedi telekinetically support falling Star Destroyers

Eh, those trams are probably pretty dang big. But either way Malgus could one-shot the Jedi who collapsed those buildings but not Aryn so bluh.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Nobody here except Aryn holds a candle to Vader. Collectively, it's a good fight but they all fall.

I really wouldn't consider Leneer more powerful than Wyellett. That guy was considered a super weapon 15 years before he achieved force enlightenment or whatever.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't recall 'random' Jedi collapsing buildings in any era.
When a no name comes out and does something before promptly being killed, they're random as can be.

TOR hypes up so many of its characters that even the unseen/dead ones receive more hype than most others would in multiple sources combined.

Originally posted by SunRazer
TOR hypes up so many of its characters that even the unseen/dead ones receive more hype than most others would in multiple sources combined.

Pfft, how many PT characters get called among the best in history again? Isn't it like, all of them?

Coleman Trebor FTW.

None of them are off-screen people, though. And the off-screeners who get hyped in TOR are hyped just to hype the enemies you face on-screen.

Nah, a lot of PT people are called among the best of their time. Of all time, there's not too many. PT era has some unreliable hype at times though, definitely.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
@Nargaroth

How exactly is blowing apart two defenseless creatures an epic demonstration of power?

Because those beast were huge, apex predators durable enough to not just tank, but deflect blaster bolts, which have burnt holes through people, including jedi. Because he showed no particular strain in performing the feat, not to mention this was years before his prime. Because only people like Plagueis have replicated something like that (of course the latter should still be superior to Vader overall).

Compare that to, for example, Malgus, who was never shown as being able to do the same to non Force sensitives (which are nowhere near as durable as those Lyleks Vader disintegrated), even in his prime as False Emperor, and you'll have your answer.

Originally posted by SunRazer
None of them are off-screen people, though. And the off-screeners who get hyped in TOR are hyped just to hype the enemies you face on-screen.

Nah, a lot of PT people are called among the best of their time. Of all time, there's not too many. PT era has some unreliable hype at times though, definitely.

Neither is Wyellett. He's the end boss of an entire planet-chain. Hell, he's practically the last boss of Act II. TOR hypes up it's council tiers/high level combatants just as much as the PT does, it just doesn't have 3 tv shows, 10 games, 500 books and dozens of ancillary sources to spread it all out over. The characters are wildly more limited.

Also lol at complaining about TOR wank against freaking Vader of all people. :I

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
When a no name comes out and does something before promptly being killed, they're random as can be.
Is name a criteria to determine a character's power?

Leeha Narezz and Warren Sedoru are officially identified as one of the strongest and most resolute Jedi. Yet they have no credibility among fans for a hypothetical versus scenario.

Names make no difference. People will makeup their mind one way or other.

Aryn is still powerful enough to not get dominated, but Tol Braga might (he had a nice TK feat before he fought HoT, though). Vader plays telekinetic footy with Wyellett.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Neither is Wyellett. He's the end boss of an entire planet-chain. Hell, he's practically the last boss of Act II. TOR hypes up it's council tiers/high level combatants just as much as the PT does, it just doesn't have 3 tv shows, 10 games, 500 books and dozens of ancillary sources to spread it all out over. The characters are wildly more limited.

Also lol at complaining about TOR wank against freaking Vader of all people. :I

Wyellett wasn't who I had in mind - more along the lines of Usma-type characters.

Also, Vader deserves hype. He's one of the most powerful and renowned characters of all time. That's like saying Vitiate doesn't deserve hype. Or Malgus.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Wyellett wasn't who I had in mind - more along the lines of Usma-type characters.

Usma was called a celebrated swordsman.

Oh no, the hypes.

He was called one of the Order's finest, just for the sake of hyping up Praven so that the HoT's victory feels more worthwhile. lol

I understand why they do it (since they don't appear in any other source), but sometimes they go overboard with it.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He was called one of the Order's finest, just for the sake of hyping up Praven so that the HoT's victory feels more worthwhile. lol

I understand why they do it (since they don't appear in any other source), but sometimes they go overboard with it.
So official standing of Usma, Praven and HoT shall be dismissed and/or overlooked?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So official standing of Usma, Praven and HoT shall be dismissed and/or overlooked?

What?

Originally posted by SunRazer
He was called one of the Order's finest, just for the sake of hyping up Praven so that the HoT's victory feels more worthwhile. lol

I understand why they do it (since they don't appear in any other source), but sometimes they go overboard with it.

Well how else should they establish that Praven's a credible threat? "He's a good swordsman, fo realz?" This kind of thing happens to everyone, the PT just has more space to build up for the wank.

Yeah, clearly Usma was just a step too far. A famous swordsman! When will the madness end!?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well how else should they establish that Praven's a credible threat? "He's a good swordsman, fo realz?" This kind of thing happens to everyone, the PT just has more space to build up for the wank.

Yeah, clearly Usma was just a step too far. A famous swordsman! When will the madness end!?

Nah, he's just an example. He's not the only one, and I'm not going to go off-topic listing them.

Also, Praven already defeated Bela Kiwiiks.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Nah, he's just an example. He's not the only one, and I'm not going to go off-topic listing them.

Also, Praven already defeated Bela Kiwiiks.
SWTOR officially promotes Lord Praven as one of the finest warriors of the Empire. Note that he is a Lord.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
SWTOR officially promotes Lord Praven as one of the finest warriors of the Empire. Note that he is a Lord

I thought it was said that Darths are the big players in the Empire, not Lords? Although technically, since they're so many people in the Empire, just being a Lord puts you in the upper echelons already.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Nah, he's just an example. He's not the only one, and I'm not going to go off-topic listing them.

Also, Praven already defeated Bela Kiwiiks.
So what exactly is your point? That a TOR-era character 'cannot' be in the league of extraordinarily powerful and competent Force-users such as Master Yoda and Mace Windu?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So what exactly is your point?

That a TOR-era character 'cannot' be in the league of Master Yoda?

lmfao If that's what you interpret it to be, then sure.

I was just commenting on the way TOR hypes its characters.

For the record, though, who do you envision to be the TOR equivalent of Yoda and Mace?

Orgus Din.

Originally posted by SunRazer
lmfao If that's what you interpret it to be, then sure.

I was just commenting on the way TOR hypes its characters.
So how are Palpatine, Yoda, Count Dooku, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker and Mother Talzin hyped at official capacity? They are hyped in the same manner as TOR era characters; in documented records.

Originally posted by SunRazer
For the record, though, who do you envision to be the TOR equivalent of Yoda and Mace?
Hero of Tython, Revan and Barsen'thor III. Though Master Wyellett is also officially promoted as among the greatest legends of the Jedi Order.

Barsen'thor on par with Yoda? lol

Originally posted by SunRazer
Barsen'thor on par with Yoda? lol
Stopping some of the greatest threats to the Jedi Order such as Lord Vivicar and First Son are supposed to be lolworthy accomplishments?

Both Barsen'thor III and Hero of Tython saved the Jedi Order from extinction with their exploits.

I foresee an upcoming Yoda vs Barsen'thor thread.

EDIT: I was right!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A powerful Force-user should be capable of performing these actions. None of these showings are extraordinary in the grand scheme of things. Darth Vader just happens to be well-explored in the context of feats and events in both Legends and Canon content of the lore, and some fans mistakenly assume that only few can perform these actions.

If a powerful Jedi faces a military vehicle in a battle, I would vouch for the Jedi on the basis of common sense. While a military vehicle might be capable of killing the Jedi with its firepower, the Jedi is still more likely to destroy it.

Darth Malgus haven't been depicted collapsing buildings with his Force powers but he defeated/killed a powerful Jedi in a confrontation who have such showings. If these two haven't officially clashed, many fans would have given the nod to the mysterious Jedi in a hypothetical versus scenario.

Each member of the referred Strike Team is a powerhouse:

Aryn Leener (simultaneously) lifted 6 'cars' of a Tram and hurled them like missiles towards the positions of some enemies with her telekinetic abilities in a confrontation. You understand what a Tram is, right? I assume that she can knock down or destroy an AT-AT.

Tol Braga have also been depicted ripping apart and hurling heavy objects like missiles towards a target with his telekinetic abilities. In-fact, he is officially recognized as one of the most powerful and resolute Jedi. Therefore, his official standing creates room for imagination about what else he is capable of.

Master Wyellet is also a Force-user of such a caliber who would inspire legends in years to come. He proved his mettle in combat time and again, and was the sole survivor of destruction of an Imperial Starship:

The Imperial starship that was transporting Wyellett was destroyed in the Battle of Hoth, and Master Wyellett has been believed dead all these years. In fact, Wyellett has been in a trance beneath the rubble of the fallen ship, psychically trying to reach out to his former pupil. Now, Wyellett has transcended the concerns of this galaxy and his powers are more realized than ever before. (From Star Wars: The Old Republic)

Honestly, it takes a Jedi of legendary repute and Force abilities to survive in these kind of life-threatening situations.

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I am being realistic. Vader's chances of handling these 3 powerhouses simultaneously are slim to none even under right circumstances.


Man, first I want to say this thread got heavily derailed. Anyways my friend, I believe you are heavily underestimating vehicle weaponry in SW. There's a difference between making random buildings collapse and destroying an AT-AT in the process. AT-ATs' in Legends canon can survive even Orbital Bombardments from capital ships, turbolasers with the power to vaporize asteroids and rival the power of atomic bombs.

Even the films show AT-AT's tanking Blaster bolts from the Hoth Speeders, which fire much more powerful bolts than those of Han Solos' gun, which has shown capable of vaporizing Rock and Steel. Were these any specific buildings by any chance? Any dimensions given?

Tram cars, just like the buildings, are not in any way comparable to an AT-AT. Vader also with a simple force push bursted Lyleks who themselves are on par with military vehicles, a horde of them require an entire Cities defenses to defeat one. I do not know Ryloth's defensive systems, but if they involve things like anti-ship weaponry then Lyleks must be extremely durable if it requires those levels of firepower.

Vader also in a weakened state brought down a cathedral in Legends canon, and apparently brought down a Palace in the new canon? I dunno, heard something like that. He also tanked the explosion of a bomb at point blank range and crushed building sized Droids. I don't see how the three Jedi masters are near those levels except Wylett, who has impressive defensive capabilities.

Tol might also be a problem since he throws objects at "missile speeds" which is Supersonic if taken literal. How heavy are the objects he throws?