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who wins

1.sabers
2.force
3.all-out

I think.

1.Dooku might be better in overall saber combat, but Vader would win due to being stronger than Anakin whose brute strength overwhelmed the count.
2.Vader wins pretty well here as long as he can block the lightning.
3.If Vader could defeat Dooku as Anakin I see no reason why he couldint 20+ years later as Vader...however I think it would be a good fight everytime but Vader comes out the solid winner.

Vader's vastly superior telekinesis should overcome Dooku's marginal superiority with a lightsaber.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vader's vastly superior telekinesis should overcome Dooku's marginal superiority with a lightsaber.

Thats what I was thinking. Vader has a good edge with the force and Dooku is better with a saber but not by much.

Idk if he can kill him as Anakin he should be able to do it as Vader.

Vader takes all rounds.

^ I doubt Vader takes Sabers. But he takes all out for sure.

Why not Darth.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vader's vastly superior telekinesis should overcome Dooku's marginal superiority with a lightsaber.

How is beating Pre prime Anakin and Kenobi outside of Vader's abilities as a duelist?

Vader wins all but sabers.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Why not Darth.

Because there's still no proof Vader is even on Dooku's level in Sabers, let alone above it.

All we know is the power of the force is stronger in him than in ROTS Anakin. But we also know the Suit somewhat limits his sword fighting abilities.

Seeing as it was largely his overwhelming strength and power that pwned Dooku in ROTS I'd say it doesn't much matter.

That and Vader has become much more varied and intelligent with his technique. And is there really much if any evidence that the suit hampered him during his later years?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because there's still no proof Vader is even on Dooku's level in Sabers, let alone above it.

All we know is the power of the force is stronger in him than in ROTS Anakin. But we also know the Suit somewhat limits his sword fighting abilities.

Too bad he's sporting a strength advantage, knows Dooku's lightsaber form due to fighting him multiple times as Anakin, and no one has shown any skill feats that place Pre-prime Dooku above Vader by any margin.

Beating featless padawan Anakin and Kenobi who got tooled by Jango isn't outside of Vader's level of skill.

Not that it matters considering Vader's augmentative force abilities would tax Dooku in pure sabers, and in all out he'd ragdoll him

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Seeing as it was largely his overwhelming strength and power that pwned Dooku in ROTS I'd say it doesn't much matter.



Which would be true if OT Vader was ROTS Anakin's equal in every other aspect of Lightsaber combat. But we have it confirmed the suit does hinder his mobility.



Originally posted by carthage
and no one has shown any skill feats that place Pre-prime Dooku above Vader by any margin.




It's OT Vader who needs the Saber feats to put him on or above Dooku's level, not the other way around.

Dooku has plenty of exceptional Saber feats. Vader is lacking in those right now. (Canon Vader at least). And btw I'm all for Vader being Dooku's equal in Sabers. But I want proof of that, instead of us just assuming that for the sake of it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Which would be true if OT Vader was ROTS Anakin's equal in every other aspect of Lightsaber combat. But we have it confirmed the suit does hinder his mobility.My point is that Vader's increased physical strength and Force power largely offsets any detriment to his mobility that he might have incurred, because that was the deciding factor in Dooku's defeat the last time around.Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dooku has plenty of exceptional Saber feats. Vader is lacking in those right now. (Canon Vader at least). And btw I'm all for Vader being Dooku's equal in Sabers. But I want proof of that, instead of us just assuming that for the sake of it. Vader inherited all of Anakin's skill (who is already Dooku level) and developed and expanded his technique of the course of twenty years, surely the onus is on you to prove that the said development was entirely negated by him being a slow robot man.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
My point is that Vader's increased physical strength and Force power largely offsets any detriment to his mobility that he might have incurred, because that was the deciding factor in Dooku's defeat the last time around


It's not as simple as just offsetting one ability with another.

Remember Dooku taking advantage of Anakin's lack of mobility in the ROTS Novel? That weakness may be much easier to take advantage of against OT Vader.



Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vader inherited all of Anakin's skill (who is already Dooku level) and developed and expanded his technique of the course of twenty years, surely the onus is on you to prove that the said development was entirely negated by him being a slow robot man.


Not really. What works on paper doesn't always work when it comes to implementing in combat.

Remember Vos being too fast and unpredictable for Dooku? You telling me there's no chance Dooku's speed/mobility might aid him in getting the better of Vader? (Talking pure Sabers of course. I think everyone's agreed Vader takes Force and All Out).

That's why feats hold more weight than accolades.

Dooku does have some pretty beastly feats that put him above Vader tho. Like losing to a weaker version of him. I also like how Voss being fast somehow makes loses to a gang of pirates super fast. Not to mention Vader is sighting as having enhanced stength and speed.

Then again, feats only matter and carry more weight when they support you.

^ Huh?
Firstly in terms of "supporting me" :


Originally posted by Darth Thor
And btw I'm all for Vader being Dooku's equal in Sabers. But I want proof of that, instead of us just assuming that for the sake of it.


I like both characters and have no particular bias here either way, and am fully ready to support Vader's superior to Dooku's Saber prowess once actually proven.


Second your post would have held more weight if it actually had some Vader feats instead of just picking out Dooku's worst moments and pointing out Vader is stronger in the force than he once was, and has enhanced speed just like every Jedi/Sith does.

I don't care about your, or my for that matter, opinion of Vader. It's the fact you give nothing and ask for everything, while simultaneously claiming things like, "Dooku has a speed advantage because reasons." Sighting zero examples of Dooku's superior speed. Vader having enhanced speed, from his suit and augments not the Force, and strength and being more powerful than he was when he faced Dooku is a canon fact. Dooku being faster than Vader is an opinion that you pulled from nowhere.

Well for 1, I've not once stated that Dooku is faster than Vader. These are the points I've stated:



Originally posted by Darth Thor


All we know is the power of the force is stronger in him than in ROTS Anakin. But we also know the Suit somewhat limits his sword fighting abilities.

Originally posted by Darth Thor


Dooku has plenty of exceptional Saber feats. Vader is lacking in those right now. (Canon Vader at least).




Originally posted by Darth Thor


Remember Dooku taking advantage of Anakin's lack of mobility in the ROTS Novel? That weakness may be much easier to take advantage of against OT Vader.





And in terms of giving nothing and asking for everything, do I really need to showcase all of Dooku impressive Saber feats? And his impressive speed/mobility in those fights?

Because I'm pretty sure anything I post will be known and seen by everyone here plenty of times. As I myself have posted them plenty of times in debates like Dooku vs Maul.

Dooku wins.

Dooku.
Vader.
Stalemate.