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Malgus as of Deceived, Savage as of The Clone Wars: Season 5.

Round 1: Malgus can use his lightning
Round 2: Malgus cannot use his lightning

Battle takes place in the Jedi Temple during the Sacking of Coruscant.

Malgus I would think takes both

Malgus takes Round 1 easily.

Round 2 Malgus again with considerable difficulty.

1. Darth Malgus nearly stomps
2. Darth Malgus easily

lmao

Admit it Beni, Savage has no dueling skill and doesn't have half the raw power Malgus does.

http://i.imgur.com/hPvbgSG.png

I'm going to change my answer from 'considerable difficulty' to 'a lot of difficulty', but still think Malgus can take Savage.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I'm going to change my answer from 'considerable difficulty' to 'a lot of difficulty', but still think Malgus can take Savage.
You seriously think that Savage Opress competes with Darth Malgus on any front?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You seriously think that Savage Opress competes with Darth Malgus on any front?

Yeah. If you analyse Savage's TCW feats, considering who he fights against and how he fares, he's not to be taken lightly as a combatant. He might lack finesse, but he makes up for it in raw strength.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yeah. If you analyse Savage's TCW feats, considering who he fights against and how he fares, he's not to be taken lightly as a combatant. He might lack finesse, but he makes up for it in raw strength.
I don't find him in the league of Darth Malgus by any stretch of imagination. You are overreaching in your assumption in this case.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Admit it Beni, Savage has no dueling skill and doesn't have half the raw power Malgus does.
Malgus could solo the entire mythos after 3500 BBY, tbh

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Darth Malgus nearly stomps
2. Darth Malgus easily

Malgus with moderate difficulty in both.

If Anakin & Obi-Wan combined are being driven back by a pre-prime Savage, rage or no Malgus is not defeating him easily, lel.

ROTFLMAO.

TOR bias is strong here. No way is Malgus stomping Savage; that's simply ridiculous.

Is this fight even worth discussing? You have the wank-Malgus'-foreskin-to-shreds camp, the Savage-sucks-because-reasons camp, and then a small mixture of people who are reasonable and/or don't give a shit. It's in-theory a great fight if you take both fighters as they are instead of how you wish them to be.

threads like this make my KMC posts look like quality

It's not a bad fight by any means. Both are comparable in telekinetic power, and given their prodigious feats of force augmentation would make for a duel where theyre largely bashing each other around. Malgus has somewhat of a technical edge/lightning, but Savage has similar raw power (choking Dooku out, physically beating Ventress around, blasting a ship off a cliff) and overall they're just very similar in their overall specs/raw power. Malgus was arguably the best duelist of the Sith empire, and Savage could contend with the likes of Kenobi and beat/power through the likes of skilled duelists like Plo Koon, Ventress, and Adi Gallia

Not a stomp by any means, but I personally favor Malgus

Malgus in both.

Savage's short performance against Maul is what makes me doubt him. If he doesn't noob out like that against Malgus and brings out his power properly, then it won't be an easy fight for Malgus.

Which is using the incorrect assumption that Malgus is capable of what Maul is.

idk, you were pretty convincing with your deceived Malgus > Maul arguments just a few months ago

Because Malgus has to be capable of what Maul is to not get stomped in the same fashion? Not that what either of you said is relevant anyways.

Originally posted by Sinious
idk, you were pretty convincing with your deceived Malgus > Maul arguments just a few months ago That makes sinus the lucky third poster to pull "b-but you said this months ago how could u chang3 your mind? :0" in recent times.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because Malgus has to be capable of what Maul is to not get stomped in the same fashion? Not that what either of you said is relevant anyways. The argument is that because Savage lost so badly to Maul, this somehow demonstrates inferiority to Malgus by principle - that principle would need to be that for whatever reason Malgus is closer to Maul than Savage. They aren't even in the same time period and have never been mentioned together, hence why I'm calling it an assumption.

Originally posted by ILS
That makes sinus the lucky third poster to pull "b-but you said this months ago how could u chang3 your mind? :0" in recent times.
The argument is that because Savage lost so badly to Maul, this somehow demonstrates inferiority to Malgus by principle - that principle would need to be that for whatever reason Malgus is closer to Maul than Savage. They aren't even in the same time period and have never been mentioned together, hence why I'm calling it an assumption. It's not like my opinion ever changes, but I'm gonna bring it up every time you say Maul > Malgus regardless.

Both Maul and Dooku humiliated him. It's not like Savage ever engaged in a force fight with a powerful Sith and did a good job.

And given that it's not a logical approach to use outdated opinions against someone, I'll go ahead and ignore you when you do. It's essentially just an admission of not having a good argument.

Dooku "humiliated" him the first time we ever saw Savage hold a lightsaber, lmao. Savage smashed Dooku into a wall shortly after, and following on from there Savage began growing powerful enough for Dooku to declare him a "threat to us all" whose power could be felt growing across the galaxy with every passing day. Throw a couple of TCW seasons and tie-in comics under Savage's belt and he's looking much stronger than he did in season 3.

Also, nice decapitation of logic there, Sinny. You need to prove Malgus has any relevance compared to Maul or Dooku before you use their accomplishments to gauge him. I know it'd make life much easier, but it's a really shit argument.

Originally posted by ILS
And given that it's not a logical approach to use outdated opinions against someone, I'll go ahead and ignore you when you do. It's essentially just an admission of not having a good argument.

Dooku "humiliated" him the first time we ever saw Savage hold a lightsaber, lmao. Savage smashed Dooku into a wall shortly after, and following on from there Savage began growing powerful enough for Dooku to declare him a "threat to us all" whose power could be felt growing across the galaxy with every passing day. Throw a couple of TCW seasons and tie-in comics under Savage's belt and he's looking much stronger than he did in season 3.

Also, nice decapitation of logic there, Sinny. You need to prove Malgus has any relevance compared to Maul or Dooku before you use their accomplishments to gauge him. I know it'd make life much easier, but it's a really shit argument. I mentioned it for the first time out of surprise, after that I wasn't even serious so chillax.

That is a fair point. Maybe I underestimated his growth in power throughout TCW tbh. Nevertheless, I just said it would be a good fight if he performs properly, which is technically not wrong.

Also, Malgus' lightning feats against Leneer and the other Jedi are pretty impressive, and as Carthage pointed out, he is more skilled. We know that Savage isn't gonna do great against powerful lightning and a foe strong enough to keep up with his strength in a lightsaber duel that he would eventually lose.

Malgus should take this without too much trouble.

Savage has way more than enough physical strength to withstand it's impact, and is more powerful than Leneer in the force (it won't shatter his barrier). It's an ace in Malgus's hole given how he implements it in combat, not because it can overwhelm Savage in a similar fashion to Leneer

But considering how Savage is ultimately inferior in the force and is less skilled, he also won't get any wins. Lightning by itself might not get the job done, but it guarantees the victory.

Originally posted by Sinious
But considering how Savage is ultimately inferior in the force
Kek

Originally posted by carthage
It's not a bad fight by any means.
It is.

Originally posted by carthage
Both are comparable in telekinetic power, and given their prodigious feats of force augmentation would make for a duel where theyre largely bashing each other around.
Is this a joke?

A Jedi Master, possessing sufficient raw power to collapse a building or two, failed to dominate (a badly wounded) Darth Malgus with his powers. Satele Shan pulled it off after absorbing the energy of a Lightsaber.

Opress wouldn't be bashing Darth Malgus around, not even close.

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus has somewhat of a technical edge/lightning, but Savage has similar raw power (choking Dooku out, physically beating Ventress around, blasting a ship off a cliff) and overall they're just very similar in their overall specs/raw power.
Somewhat of a technical edge? You've got to be kidding me.

Darth Malgus is noticeably superior to Opress in raw power, melee skills and command of the Force; collective superiority in these 3 areas is a game-changer and implies that Darth Malgus would utterly dominate. Opress stacks up to the former in the area of physical strength but this won't make any difference when he is inferior in other (more important) areas.

Choking Count Dooku was a useless effort from Opress; it wasn't enough to force Count Dooku into submission. Asajj Ventress also managed to choke both Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi during a confrontation but it too was a useless effort.

Physically beating Ventress around is no big deal. Opress had advantage in physical strength and Ventress wasn't a class apart from him in raw power to make much difference.

Blasting a small Starship off the cliff is a decent showing but not enough to elevate Savage Opress to the TIER of Darth Malgus. Aryn Leener sent cars of a Tram packing across a hall like missiles (simultaneously) during a confrontation but Darth Malgus was strong enough to dominate her with his telekinetic powers in turn.

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus was arguably the best duelist of the Sith empire, and Savage could contend with the likes of Kenobi and beat/power through the likes of skilled duelists like Plo Koon, Ventress, and Adi Gallia
Opress have his share of victories but they are not as straightforward as you make them out to be.

1. A time came when Kenobi grew in power and skill to such an extent that he managed to hold his own against the duo of Darth Maul and Opress in a confrontation. Kenobi might have killed Opress during this confrontation but Darth Maul prevented such a breakthrough.

2. I don't recall Opress's confrontation with Plo Koon. Is this even true?

3. Covered above

4. Adi Gallia is not a heavyweight

Originally posted by carthage
Not a stomp by any means, but I personally favor Malgus
Darth Malgus would defeat the likes of Savage Opress easily.

Round 1 easy win for Malgus.

Round 2 harder fought, but Malgus still takes it solidly with his superior finesse and technique while still retaining comparable brute force to counteract Savage's.

Damn, I wonder if people think Savage vs Revan is a good fight too.

Nobody thinks Revan vs Deceived Malgus is a good fight.

Originally posted by carthage
It's not a bad fight by any means. Both are comparable in telekinetic power, and given their prodigious feats of force augmentation would make for a duel where theyre largely bashing each other around. Malgus has somewhat of a technical edge/lightning, but Savage has similar raw power (choking Dooku out, physically beating Ventress around, blasting a ship off a cliff) and overall they're just very similar in their overall specs/raw power. Malgus was arguably the best duelist of the Sith empire, and Savage could contend with the likes of Kenobi and beat/power through the likes of skilled duelists like Plo Koon, Ventress, and Adi Gallia

Not a stomp by any means, but I personally favor Malgus

This tbh

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
This tbh
See above

Originally posted by Sinious
Also, Malgus' lightning feats against Leneer and the other Jedi are pretty impressive,

and as Carthage pointed out, he is more skilled.

We know that Savage isn't gonna do great against powerful lightning

and a foe strong enough to keep up with his strength in a lightsaber duel that he would eventually lose. Extrapolate on that.

Indeed? What's the argument there?

Nah, we don't "know" that. Savage would have likely learned from his experience against Dooku, especially with Maul's guidance, as depicted in the cut footage in The Lawless when he deflects Sidious' lightning. Also, not seeing much proof of Malgus having equivalent precision with lightning as Dooku (whose feats with it are better than Malgus'), especially not to the point he can drop a far more experienced Savage with it.

Yeah, this argument kind of sucks. Savage has given people just as skilled as Malgus hell (Kenobi and Anakin), has better wins under his record by merit of pure martial ability (Ventress and Plo Koon compared to Ven Zallow, or defeating Aryn by merit of superior Force ability). The fact Savage has also shown better strength feats (propelling Ventress, Dooku, Kenobi and Anakin through the air with the sheer weight of his blows) doesn't help matters when Malgus' main advantage is, similarly, his overwhelming strength.

The problem is, everyone gives everyone a good fight in TCW unless Sidious or Yoda is involved. It's kinda stupid to say Anakin = Dooku > Kenobi > Savage, but also Savage can give Anakin hell in an all out no morals fight.

Like I said, I've started to realize that Savage's growth in power throughout the show is not as slight as I believed until very recently. It actually makes sense and makes the scene where Sidious casually intervenes and humiliates the brothers a lot more impressive and wankworthy.

I'm not following what your stand on this fight exactly is though. Do you think it is a very close one, or just that Savage won't go down without giving Malgus a good fight?

Originally posted by Sinious
The problem is, everyone gives everyone a good fight in TCW unless Sidious or Yoda is involved. It's kinda stupid to say Anakin = Dooku > Kenobi > Savage, but also Savage can give Anakin hell in an all out no morals fight. It's actually kinda stupid to make a strict > hierarchy, period, given that the main reason fights are so inconsistent is because of the main cast of TCW all having unique fighting styles. You need to analyse said styles to interpret the results properly.
I think it is very close, but in the absence of a truly convincing argument, I'll be in Savage's corner.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nobody thinks Revan vs Deceived Malgus is a good fight.
Sinious' problem is he actually thinks Malgus is in Revan's league

Malgus's combat feats and Force showings are obviously above anything Revan can even hope to achieve.

Like getting shit on by the HoT.

Exactly.

Malgus has better Lightning though. So good it can't even get through insulation. That would be showing off.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malgus has better Lightning though. So good it can't even get through insulation. That would be showing off. LMFAO

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malgus has better Lightning though. So good it can't even get through insulation. That would be showing off.

lawlz

LOL I don't think Malgus and Revan are in the same league. I have Malgus slightly above Dooku and Revan slightly above Vader.

Malgus is firmly below Dooku, especially during Deceived. Let it go.

I meant peak Malgus anyway. And stfu cause Im right and you're wrong.

You need to accept nothing before KotFE mattered and no one.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malgus is firmly below Dooku, especially during Deceived. Let it go.

Yeah, Dooku is above Malgus. He's right about Revan doe.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You need to accept nothing before KotFE mattered and no one. Well compared to PT/OT, no other era mattered until TFA. That never slowed down our omniwanking.

Originally posted by Sinious
Well compared to PT/OT, no other era mattered until TFA. That never slowed down our omniwanking.
No, I mean Malgus is weak. No powerful people, aside from Revan and Vitiate, will be found.

Please, Malgus blitzes.

Malgus is Kenobi-tier.

He still blitzes.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malgus is Kenobi-tier.

Malgus one-shot a dude who busted 2 buildings tho.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus one-shot a dude who busted 2 buildings tho. He pulled down the remaining rubble of two buildings which had already been massacred. That's a pathetic feat.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malgus is Kenobi-tier.

Smh

Originally posted by ILS
He pulled down the remaining rubble of two buildings which had already been massacred. That's a pathetic feat.

Riiiight. I'm fairly certain busting 2 buildings is better than lifting 2 rocks, not matter the speculated state they were in. Theres no indication the buildings were rubbled and they were clearly large and intact enough to be capable of being pushed over and still engulf Malgus in a mountain of rubble in the middle of the street, so calling it pathetic is pretty much just that.

You are aware Alderaan was bombarded, right?

If you had read The Third Lesson you'd note all of the buildings are described as wreckages. I had all of the quotes in this thread but the page crashed, I can't be bothered quoting them again for such a minor point. So I'd just read the story again.

I did know that, but my point still stands. The buildings were clearly intact, otherwise they couldn't have fallen over on Malgus like they did. The buildings on the street are only described as being "burned out" which considering they were made of duracrete and transparisteel I highly doubt they were seriously affected by some fire.

You do know burned out typically means highly damaged, right?

KEK.

This is a burned out building:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/incoming/article414741.ece/ALTERNATES/g3l/120564414.jpg

The fact alone that when he pulled the buildings they began raining down chunks of metal indicates they weren't intact to begin with, lol.

****ing trolls, acting like melted beams aren't structurally sound.

Orbital bombardment can't melt steel beams.

Bombardment can't melt steel beams.

****, ninja'd.

The melting of the beams was an inside job...

Lel

Originally posted by Beniboybling
This is a burned out building:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/incoming/article414741.ece/ALTERNATES/g3l/120564414.jpg



Well yeah if it's made out of ****ing brick and wood, rather than space-age duracrete and transparisteel.

Also I reckon you'd still need an unholy amount of force to push that building over, kek.

Originally posted by ILS
The fact alone that when he pulled the buildings they began raining down chunks of metal indicates they weren't intact to begin with, lol.

A) That didn't happen though, it just says the buildings fell on him, it doesn't say anything about chunks. And B) I'm pretty sure that if you pull a building down side-ways it's gonna break up no matter what.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Orbital bombardment can't melt steel beams.
So what happened to Taris, Beni? Maybe the beams just had a rough night.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well yeah if it's made out of ****ing brick and wood, rather than space-age duracrete and transparisteel.

Also I reckon you'd still need an unholy amount of force to push that building over, kek.Right, let's review the dictionary definition of "burned-out":

"a vehicle or building destroyed or badly damaged by fire; gutted"

Doesn't matter what it was made of, burned out is burned out, see the image above for a visual depiction. And probably not, a structurally unsound building can be pretty easily toppled by pulling out a few supports, and can even collapse all by itself.

*****, I've been playing Fallout all day, don't step to me on the subject of burnt buildings. It can also just mean spoiled, damaged or, yknow, burned. Looking at the context of the quote, its obvious it was just describing that it had been damaged by fire.

The Jedi specifically makes the motion of pushing them down, he didn't just take out some supports.

Originally posted by Nephthys
*****, I've been playing Fallout all day, don't step to me on the subject of burnt buildings. It can also just mean spoiled, damaged or, yknow, burned. Looking at the context of the quote, its obvious it was just describing that it had been damaged by fire.

The Jedi specifically makes the motion of pushing them down, he didn't just take out some supports. I've already provided the actual definition of burnt, assuming that what was said, that's what was meant.

And putting a bit downward pressure on melted, crumbling supports would sure be enough to collapse a building, face it, he's weak fodder.

Because theres only one definition of anything, gotcha.

There's no indication that anything was melted. The bombardment happened well before this took place and it was obviously intact enough to support it's own substantial weight. You're getting silly now and twisting this to ridiculous extremes beyond anything suggested in the text which you've obviously not even seen.

Freshest was attempting to do the same with the Bane feat.

Uh, no, I wasn't.

Uh, yes you were.

No, no, I was not. I brought up the fact it was bombarded once. And it wasn't even a focus of the argument.

You said that a weakened structure would collapse more easily with its supporting structures removed yet we didn't know to what degree the temple was damaged from said bombardments if at all.

The supporting structure was the arch, which Bane removed. Thank you for confirming you didn't actually read.

Yes but I'm saying we don't know if the temple was even weakened in the first place.

Isn't there a quote in PoD saying the Temple was in fine condition?

Yes.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The supporting structure was the arch, which Bane removed. Thank you for confirming you didn't actually read.

This is utter fanon.

Neph, there's several pictures of the Temple in that thread alone. If you can't use common sense, which I don't doubt, there's no point in discussing it.

And in turn, you can't argue that the temple Bane collapsed was structurally compromised.

So you say the temple was much smaller than it was shown as in the video games by saying book description trumps game portrayal.

Then you support an archway completely supporting the temple's structural integrity despite it not making any sense with the description of the temple in the book (ie. the archway is 20 meters high up on the exterior of the temple, thus it couldn't be supporting its entire structure), by saying game portrayal trumps book description.

Pick one and use that rather than cherrypicking between the two based on whatever you think would allow you to lowball Bane's feat the most.

Which is exactly what I said/was thinking.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Which is exactly what I said/was thinking.
yeah that statement absolutely wasn't directed at you in case that was unclear in any way.

But I'm happy somebody else recognizes this obvious truth

yeah I'm not exactly sure how that double standard so easily escaped scrutiny

Originally posted by Emperordmb
So you say the temple was much smaller than it was shown as in the video games by saying book description trumps game portrayal.

Then you support an archway completely supporting the temple's structural integrity despite it not making any sense with the description of the temple in the book (ie. the archway is 20 meters high up on the exterior of the temple, thus it couldn't be supporting its entire structure), by saying game portrayal trumps book description.

Pick one and use that rather than cherrypicking between the two based on whatever you think would allow you to lowball Bane's feat the most.
It's about twenty meters in KotOR, which is obviously what Drew was thinking of when he wrote the book. I also never argued Revan bombarding it made the walls weaker. Nice try though. I actually said TOR didn't even take the book into consideration.

It's not just you though it's a general notion that Bane simply blew apart rubble

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's about twenty meters in KotOR, which is obviously what Drew was thinking of when he wrote the book. I also never argued Revan bombarding it made the walls weaker. Nice try though. I actually said TOR didn't even take the book into consideration.
I wasn't saying you specifically made the argument about the bombardment, I was more referring to the architecture itself.

But the idea that the arch is a supporting structure for the entire temple's integrity makes no sense given the temple's in book description, and the only counter to that, which wasn't made by you, was pictures of the temple from the games.

If we're judging based on book description it is not a supporting structure for the entire temple.

See, as I said in that thread, it's likely that only the entrance way to the Temple of the Ancients collapsed, not the entire thing, if you want to say TOR is accurate because that would actually be twentyish meters with the rest of the tower destroyed by Revan; given the description of the stairs and what the Tower actually looks like. Bane doesn't need to be god and the feat would still be impressive. The idea that the Temple is in fine condition wouldn't make sense either way, honestly, given events of KotOR and TOR.

Except it's stated in the text that the temple itself is destroyed.

And hell, Bane's wave even shook the foundations of the temple, which were noted to be far beneath the surface of the planet.

It's hardly localized to the archway.

Uh, when did it say that? The closest is talking of the temple's "implosion" which doesn't require total destruction given it isn't even an actual implosion. The archway is what was stated to have collapsed in the book, then the roof, which wouldn't even make sense for a tower anyway. You can go on believing Bane can topple Empire State, if you wish.

"With the Temple's destruction there was no reason for him to remain on the Unknown World."

Considering that Bane threw a Force wave at Kas'im who was 20 meters above him, it would be directed at an upward level, and thus it makes complete sense that it would hit the archway before the roof.

And I don't see how an attack that only destroys an archway can shake the foundations of the temple which are noted to be far beneath the surface of the planet itself, with the archway noted to be 20 meters higher than the surface of the planet.

Originally posted by ILS
Also, not seeing much proof of Malgus having equivalent precision with lightning as Dooku (whose feats with it are better than Malgus'), especially not to the point he can drop a far more experienced Savage with it.
Would do you imply by the term equivalent precision? You think that if Darth Malgus shoots Force Lightning towards a target, his power would miss the target? This is silly assumption.

Moreover, Count Dooku doesn't holds a candle to Darth Malgus in the area of Force Lightning. We have several examples of Darth Malgus's Force Lightning overwhelming conventional defenses of powerful Force-users.

It is logical to assume that Savage Opress doesn't stands a chance at countering Darth Malgus's Force Lightning when more powerful Force-users couldn't.

Originally posted by ILS
Yeah, this argument kind of sucks. Savage has given people just as skilled as Malgus hell (Kenobi and Anakin),
You think that Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi were not improving with passage of time? They nearly peak in their melee skills at the end of Clone Wars.

It is silly to assume that the aforementioned Jedi matched Darth Malgus in skill during the early phase of the Clone Wars.

Originally posted by ILS
has better wins under his record by merit of pure martial ability (Ventress and Plo Koon compared to Ven Zallow, or defeating Aryn by merit of superior Force ability).
Pure nonsense.

Ven Zallow wouldn't be inferior to the likes of Asajj Ventress and Plo Koon in dueling ability. He was implied to be superior to one of the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order (i.e. Jedi Master Usma) during the time of Sacking Of Coruscant; this in turn implies that Zallow can be safely counted among the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order.

Darth Malgus out-dueled a few other legends of his time as well; Satele Shan and Kao Cen Darach. Shan is officially recognized as a gifted warrior and Darach as a renowned Battlemaster.

Moreover, I don't recall Opress confronting Plo Koon. Care to provide evidence?

Originally posted by ILS
The fact Savage has also shown better strength feats (propelling Ventress, Dooku, Kenobi and Anakin through the air with the sheer weight of his blows) doesn't help matters when Malgus' main advantage is, similarly, his overwhelming strength.
Darth Malgus's primary advantages are in the areas of dueling, experience, raw power and command of the Force. Palpatine's assessment also lends credibility to Darth Malgus's superiority over the likes of Savage Opress.

Originally posted by ILS
I think it is very close, but in the absence of a truly convincing argument, I'll be in Savage's corner.
Joke of the decade so far.

Arguments are being provided; you are not paying much attention.

Originally posted by ILS
He pulled down the remaining rubble of two buildings which had already been massacred. That's a pathetic feat.
He pulled down two buildings (probably damaged but strong enough to be standing on their own nonetheless); it is silly to describe them as rubble in literal sense.

I suppose that you have played SWTOR, right? You should revisit Taris and explore its landscape (if you haven't so far). You will notice a number of buildings that were damaged but largely intact. Some were still in good shape. Here is a glimpse:

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/70955/module_gallery/original/726667.jpg

Taris bombing event is counted among the most intense and destructive in the mythos. I don't think that Aldeeran was bombed on a comparable level.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I've already provided the actual definition of burnt, assuming that what was said, that's what was meant.

And putting a bit downward pressure on melted, crumbling supports would sure be enough to collapse a building, face it, he's weak fodder.
Right...

See above.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because theres only one definition of anything, gotcha.

There's no indication that anything was melted. The bombardment happened well before this took place and it was obviously intact enough to support it's own substantial weight. You're getting silly now and twisting this to ridiculous extremes beyond anything suggested in the text which you've obviously not even seen. There is only one definition of burnt out lel. Regardless I took the liberty of looking up the source myself:

"His personal shuttle roared low over the scorched landscape. Below him, buildings and bodies smoldered in the ruins of an Alderaani town...

...He saw nothing but charred ruins, rubbled buildings, burnt out vehicles. He pinched the comlink he wore."

lmao

And like I said, the description for the buildings on the street were "burned-out", not ruined or rubbled. Which has more than 1 meaning, dipshit. The indisputable fact is that they were intact enough to be standing tall enough to collapse on Malgus in the middle of the street.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Neph, there's several pictures of the Temple in that thread alone. If you can't use common sense, which I don't doubt, there's no point in discussing it.

I'm sorry, are you an architect? I didn't-didn't know that you c-could tell the structural integrity of a building just from looking at it. That's impressive. I'm impressed. Um, you're wrong but uh, good try.

Inb4 a smouldering, charred, rubbled building means intact and with cosmetic damage.

We can see whats likely this town in the freaking trailer. The buildings are still standing pretty damn tall bro.

They're also strong enough to not be damaged when Malgus smashes massive chunks of rubble into them.

Your not seriously implying this mook Jedi collapsed one of those skyscapers.

Proof?

Why wouldn't it be that? It's close to where we know Malgus was and matches the description. I don't see why Malgus would have traveled very far. And that's just what Alderaan buildings look like, they're very tall even in Swtor iirc. At the very least it shows us what to expect.

Because they are colossal and weigh much more than the several tons Malgus is described as buried under? And yes lots of buildings in Alderaan are tall, but many are not:

http://corellianrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/alderaan1.jpg

Heck in that very trailer you can see many smaller buildings besides the skyscrapers.
Lel if you spent less time getting salty and more time looking up the definition, you'd know there is only one. Still waiting for you to prove me wrong by actually sourcing another.

But you are right, they are also described as burned out, which has one clear definition. As do smouldering and rubbled. So I'm baffled why this is still a debate.

Originally posted by Nephthys


And like I said, the description for the buildings on the street were "burned-out", not ruined or rubbled. Which has more than 1 meaning, dipshit. The indisputable fact is that they were intact enough to be standing tall enough to collapse on Malgus in the middle of the street.



I'm sorry, are you an architect? I didn't-didn't know that you c-could tell the structural integrity of a building just from looking at it. That's impressive. I'm impressed. Um, you're wrong but uh, good try.
Actually they teach you about pyramids, and similar structures, in the most basic of geometries, but considering comments from you in the past, I don't doubt you not knowing that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because they are colossal and weigh much more than the several tons Malgus is described as buried under? And yes lots of buildings in Alderaan are tall, but many are not:

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Heck in that very trailer you can see many smaller buildings besides the skyscrapers.
Only a part of the rubble fell over Darth Malgus.

Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breathing more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.

He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power.

Taken from The Third Lesson

Those buildings were large enough to leave a mountain of rubble on the ground after their collapse, and some part of the rubble fell over Darth Malgus. The remainder surrounded him. Therefore:

A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged.

Taken from The Third Lesson

Looking at said quote, it seemed the Jedi used his lightsabers to do it, which given the cutting power of a lightsaber...not sure why this is such an impossible thing?

What.

I think Wolf has it right.

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Well from what I gathered, you all were arguing about it and Beni saying it was impossible because he was a mook Jedi. But...it seemed to me from the quote, he used his lightsabers, to cut...the supports or whatever and sending debris raining down.

So....why is this such a big issue?

The text doesn't really imply that at all.

So the Jedi just waved his lightsabers in a flourish and the building just so happened to rain down debris because.....why?...

Ok so then the Jedi didn't even cause the debris to fall, because there's no indication that the Jedi even did anything then. So no argument here.

Ever consider that Jedi don't always put down their lightsabers when they make gestures?

Ok so then the Jedi didn't cause the building to fall, it just fell then.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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Well none of you have been making it really clear, as to what this argument is about. I've read through the text, it's either the Jedi used his lightsabers to cause the debris to fall....or the building just fell.

So what are you folks arguing about?

He used TK and the lightsabers were just used as a flourish like how people thrust out their hands when using force push.

The idea that he cut through supports causing two buildings to fall over, in the middle of the street, is absolutely ridiculous.

Edit: Wait...ok I got you, I must have misinterpreted.

Ok that said...WTF guys? Why is this such an argument??

Is there some reason that nameless guys can't have feats or something?

I mean this is considered ridiculous, yet far lesser Force Users are able to mind dominate entire tribes of people, beasts, hurling literal lighting from the skies, use Sith Sorcery to create abominations bred for battle and so on.

Yet a Jedi collapsing 2 unsound buildings, is ridiculous because.....??

Think about it this way. Are the buildings 3 meters away from each other? Because that's how close they'd have to be for the Zabrak to cut both of them with his blades.

I agree with Neph on the fact that he used TK and the lightsaber thing was just a flourish.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Think about it this way. Are the buildings 3 meters away from each other? Because that's how close they'd have to be for the Zabrak to cut both of them with his blades.

I agree with Neph on the fact that he used TK and the lightsaber thing was just a flourish.

Yeah I read through the text again, misinterpreted it.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Edit: Wait...ok I got you, I must have misinterpreted.

Ok that said...WTF guys? Why is this such an argument??

Is there some reason that nameless guys can't have feats or something?

I mean this is considered ridiculous, yet far lesser Force Users are able to mind dominate entire tribes of people, beasts, hurling literal lighting from the skies, use Sith Sorcery to create abominations bred for battle and so on.

Yet a Jedi collapsing 2 unsound buildings, is ridiculous because.....??

Thanks 4 the support.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanks 4 the support.

Welcome.

I'm just not seeing the logic here...so the Jedi doesn't have a name...why does having a name matter to how powerful someone is?

I mean sure, the named character is an actual character and will therefore have much greater feats and displays of power.

But if anyone has read into Star Wars, which I would figure many of you have. You'd realize that this feat for the Jedi, isn't as ridiculous as it's being said.

The argument was relating to how destroyed the building was, not whether or not the guy had a name.

Originally posted by ILS
The argument was relating to how destroyed the building was, not whether or not the guy had a name.

It was also being argued that such a feat, was ridiculous. When it wasn't.

Ayy LMAO.