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Who wins? DoE incarnations for team DBT, peak incarnations for team TOR.

Bonus Round: If team DBT loses, they get Lord Kas'im. If team TOR loses, they get Darth Angral.

Hmm.

If. Jadus was legit beaten by Cipher than team 1

Nah. The prevailing implication is that Cipher talked down Jadus.

Team 2.

Jadus still comes off as the weakest here. Team 1.

Either of Team 1 beats either of Team 2.

Originally posted by MythLord
Either of Team 1 beats either of Team 2.

Nah, Malgus takes Zannah

Malgus isn't a better duelist than Bane, so he isn't getting through Zannah's defense. And he isn't powerful enough to beat her with the Force either. Conversely, she can beat him with sorcery.


Angral doesn't tip the scales either btw.

Malgus can beat anyone Bane ever fought in a duel with ease, and he can replicate Bane landing strikes on her pretty easily if not wear her down with his physical strength like he did to Aryn

Originally posted by SunRazer
Jadus still comes off as the weakest here. Team 1. Not in the Force.

Debatable, and too bad this isn't a Force only round.

Nah hit me up when anyone here can teleport at light speed, dominate the minds of a thousand people, cause pain to those around him with their mere presence and hold together the remains of a 600-m cruiser through sheer power, the bridge of which he could shake with his anger alone. He's plainly superior.

He's also been regarded as the second most powerful Sith in the Empire, which would make him stronger than Malgus and the Dread Masters. mmm

And I don't think in matters, he sufficiently outstrips Bane & Zannah (the latter of whom is a defensive duelist regardless) in the Force to overwhelm them through sheer power.

Yeah Jadus should be above at least Dooku by feats, but then again he lost to Cipher kek.

He didn't lose to the Cipher, he got trapped in a Force field.

1. "Teleport at light speed"? Well, he may as well blitz here, doesn't he? It's called precognition.

2. He caused no pain when Cipher stood against them aboard his Dreadnaught. There's no reason to suspect that he can meaningfully afflict Bane and Zannah.

3. TOR is a medium where you can get some pretty exaggerated and over-the-top feats, so that's worth keeping mind. With that said, if you want to play exaggerated feats game, didn't Zannah shield herself from planetwide storms as a child?

4. Watcher Two, who isn't even Force sensitive, declared Jadus as second only to the Emperor. Not a reliable source.

5. I doubt it. He's clearly very powerful, but not particularly competent as a fighter.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. "Teleport at light speed"? Well, he may as well blitz here, doesn't he? It's called precognition.

2. He caused no pain when Cipher stood against them aboard his Dreadnaught. There's no reason to suspect that he can meaningfully afflict Bane and Zannah.I wasn't making the point that those feats were combat applicable. But that holistically Jadus is significantly more powerful than Bane or Zannah.

Not that being able to teleport at will isn't a very handy ability.As are all Legends sources according to Force & Destiny, a pointless distinction.You mean a side-by-side comparison of feats? I don't know Nova, sounds a little dangerous

And yeah she did, didn't amount to Jadus tier powers in her prime tho.
The second in command to Imperial Intelligence, whose job it is to know shit is not a reliable source? OK. And I'm not a Force sensitive either, I can still understand their powers and whose stronger than who. His ranking being supported by Valkorion's praise as the greatest Sith his empire ever produced.Or maybe Cipher 9 is just that good. Or maybe the fight didn't occur as game mechanics represented it. mmm

Given his other accolades, accomplishments and status I don't find it very compelling evidence of his ineptitude.

Yeah, Vitiate himself called Jadus the greatest Sith his empire had ever produced, so I think Watcher Two's statement definitely has credence.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I wasn't making the point that those feats were combat applicable. But that holistically Jadus is significantly more powerful than Bane or Zannah.

No, he's more powerful by feats. Holistically, Bane was more powerful than all of the dark side energies unleashed across Ambria in the Sorceress' failed ritual.



It is, but the speed you're suggesting is clearly exaggerated.



But there are some more exaggerated than others, as people on this forum like to claim regarding DE and OCW. TOR is the same.



You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.



Zannah's always been reserved with her powers. We've never seen the full extent of them, except Sorcery. That said, if she's blocking planetwide firestorms with her Force Barrier as a child, yeah, as an adult, she's going to be around Jadus' tier at least.



How on earth would she know how powerful the Sith are if she can't sense them through the Force? But of course, AotC Obi-Wan is as powerful as Mace Windu and Dooku a match for Yoda, cuz all statements are reliable.



I wasn't aware that Imperial Intelligence had out-of-universe perspectives, out-of-universe sourcebooks and could debate in out-of-universe forums and share knowledge that way. Links?



Greatest =/= best, an argument that's floated around the forum for ages. I believe Valkorion said this because Jadus was the one of the few Sith in the Empire who was not "bound by ancient, irrelevant dogma" as Marr was.



Sure, he's that good, but if Jadus is any good as a combatant, he'd still beat Cipher Nine.



His status doesn't relate to his skills in combat, nor do any of his accolades or accomplishments. He's incredibly powerful, as I said, but not a good combatant.

Originally posted by SunRazer
No, he's more powerful by feats. Holistically, Bane was more powerful than all of the dark side energies unleashed across Ambria in the Sorceress' failed ritual.

It is, but the speed you're suggesting is clearly exaggerated.Right, and how powerful is that?

And not when he's teleporting faster than blaster bolt can hit him, which move at light-speeds.
Not really, not when we haven't relevant Canon to compare then too. Then its just arbitrary. I mean really, why not throw the Bane trilogy onto that pile as well?
On what basis? It's not as if she blocked the entire planetary scope of the storm, merely prevented what washed over her from killing her. On the other hand we've seen Force users like Vader and Arcann, who holistically much better compare to Jadus tank energies far far more potent that than that merely burns down trees and scorches terrain.Based off his accomplishments and standing amongst other Sith Lords i.e. the in-universe equivalent of feats and accolades?

And no in doesn't by itself by it lends credence to Watcher Two's claim, which itself carries authorial intent.Considering that again we don't know the circumstances of the fight beyond game mechanics, its baseless to assume what level of a fight Cipher 9 put up against Jadus at all, or how quickly Jadus found himself imprisoned. So what "should" have happened is entirely guesswork.Combat would be unavoidable for Jadus to achieve and maintain his status, most of his accolades relate to how he is undefeatable in that regard, and all the powers he's shown to wield are combat applicable. So yes I'd say it all relates.

The Army of Light was helpless before the Storm and would have been annihilated tbh, unlike child Zannah.

No surprise there, the Army of Light are scrubs.

Also was this storm the one caused by the Force bomb or the intial ritual?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, and how powerful is that?

More powerful than a planetwide nexus. Not sure how to quantify that, but it's pretty damn powerful. Take it however you will.



Or he just used Precognition to predict Kaliyo firing at him and teleported, which happened to be before the blaster bolt could hit him.



Being Canon doesn't mean it can't be exaggerated.



Kind of my point with Zannah's child feat.



She obviously didn't block the whole planet, but it was razing everything on the planet, IIRC, forests, mountains, etc. so blocking that as a child is pretty damn impressive.



Tanking as an adult and being injured isn't the same as instinctively blocking it as a child and emerging unscathed.



What standing against other Sith Lords?



TOR's authorial intent is to hype up their characters as much as possible to make them seem powerful for the sake boss fight fluff.



That he didn't win immediately is a black mark against him, but whatever.



Not necessarily. Manipulation ala Ragnos would suffice, I believe that's how Xedrix and Vowrawn maintained their status. You only need to be cunning and have a strong power base to stay in the Council. "Most of his accolades" relate to him being undefeatable by Cipher Nine, which was proven wrong and which isn't amazing anyways. He doesn't have any accolades about beating other Sith in combat to maintain his throne.

how good is jadus

malgus loses, idk if jadus can carry him

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No surprise there, the Army of Light are scrubs.

Also was this storm the one caused by the Force bomb or the intial ritual?

The ritual Bane helped them perform.