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1. Force
2. Sabers
3. All-out

A. TCW Maul
B. SoD Maul

If it matters if it's canon or legends just discuss each case I guess.

No word of a lie, if Zonakin isn't present, then Maul could potentially solo.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
No word of a lie, if Zonakin isn't present, then Maul could potentially solo.

Windu, the RotS novelization narrator and the fight choreographer think Anakin may be the most powerful Jedi of all time, obviously he could lose to Maul.

Being powerful doesn't necessarily mean you'll beat everyone in combat

Anakin should certainly beat Maul, but I'm not sure if he beats both at once.

Ellimist is scared of Ziggy

And yeah. Wow the fight choreographer said stuff, ain't that something

Nick Gillard has also said that Vapaad doesn't exist

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Being powerful doesn't necessarily mean you'll beat everyone in combat

It's not like he lacks in skill or physicals, lol.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
And yeah. Wow the fight choreographer said stuff, ain't that something

Seems like a pretty solid OOU source if we take authors' blog posts seriously, and yeah it's nice to nitpick one of the many sources saying the same thing.

Anakin crushed Dooku in like fifteen seconds when he stopped holding back; do you really see Maul doing that?

Someone tell Ellimist to wipe his ignore list, so we can have a proper debate

Hell Vader had trouble with a TPM Maul Clone Lel. He had to seriously injure himself to win and Anakin improved once in the suit. So if Vader only just takes TPM Maul, Anakin is not taking TCW or SOD Maul

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Hell Vader had trouble with a TPM Maul Clone Lel. He had to seriously injure himself to win and Anakin improved once in the suit.

1. How do you know that Maul is equal to TPM Maul?
2. How do you know how powerful Vader is by the time of that comic?
3. When in Legends is it stated that Vader improved over Anakin, when numerous including Lucas himself have stated the opposite?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. How do you know that Maul is equal to TPM Maul?
2. How do you know how powerful Vader is by the time of that comic?
3. When in Legends is it stated that Vader improved over Anakin, when numerous including Lucas himself have stated the opposite?


Vader improved in his suit. LEL

Solid 10/10 argument, it's not like "Vader" covers 20 years or Lucas called him a shadow of his former self, and it's not like Lucas's word is explicitly G canon in the old EU or anything.

What Vader loses in Agility, he gains strength and endurance, knowledge of the dark side.

Even if we ignore G canon and say that's true, it doesn't mean he's past Anakin by the time he fights the clone, and it doesn't mean the clone is exactly as powerful as TPM Maul.

So we get back to the point that Anakin can make Dooku's strength in the Force "a joke" and destroy him in like 15 seconds.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Solid 10/10 argument, it's not like "Vader" covers 20 years or Lucas called him a shadow of his former self, and it's not like Lucas's word is explicitly G canon in the old EU or anything.

I'm pretty sure that was sanity wise, not skill wise. I though it means he was a broken man

"When the Death Star exploded, it was believed that Vader had been lost to the void. But he returned, more powerful than before, and was given command of the fleet assigned to track down Skywalker and the Rebel fleet."

Not sure if that's of any significance but anyway

Nah, Anakin > Vader was pretty well established, but even if we say that TFU "retconned" that, you've ignored my other critiques of your Maul clone point like five times by now.

The notion that Maul is on par with RotS Anakin is hilarious.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
"When the Death Star exploded, it was believed that Vader had been lost to the void. But he returned, more powerful than before, and was given command of the fleet assigned to track down Skywalker and the Rebel fleet."

...that just means ESB Vader > ANH Vader.

This has nothing to do with the debate at all.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nah, Anakin > Vader was pretty well established, but even if we say that TFU "retconned" that, you've ignored my other critiques of your Maul clone point like five times by now.

The notion that Maul is on par with RotS Anakin is hilarious.

Honestly? Is it that hard to believe?

Do you reckon an unamped Anakin could've killed as many Jedi as Vader?

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Do you reckon an unamped Anakin could've killed as many Jedi as Vader?

Were any of them stronger than Dooku?

Anyway you're dodging the fact that you don't even know how good the Maul clone is or how close to his peak that Vader was.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Were any of them stronger than Dooku?

Anyway you're dodging the fact that you don't even know how good the Maul clone is or how close to his peak that Vader was.

I'm finding that now just hold on a minute

All I can find is it took place on 0BBY and was a "carbon copy of Maul" I can't find any info on how good Maul is. It wasn't planned by Sidious though, rather some dark side prophets?

Why are people using the Clone? It's both confirmed non-canon by Insider and Leland Chee said it's possibly either non-canon, or just a spell the Dark Side Prophets used to trick Vader.

Originally posted by MythLord
Why are people using the Clone? It's both confirmed non-canon by Insider and Leland Chee said it's possibly either non-canon, or just a spell the Dark Side Prophets used to trick Vader.

Too late now, gotta win the argument

But the argument immediately falls apart when you consider the fact that Maul maybe wasn't even there.

Back on topic, if Anakin goes all out I don't see the brothers replicating his destruction of Dooku, and I don't see Sidious toying with Zonakin in a duel.

Originally posted by MythLord
But the argument immediately falls apart when you consider the fact that Maul maybe wasn't even there.

Mm I guess. There's no real way to tell unless you can find some extra info?

Maul doesn't need Savage to win.

Team.