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Finn vs Any Jedi, ANY Jedi.

Does Finn have what it takes to defeat your average padawan?

Nope.

Not really. In all honesty he could defeat one of those younglings in TCW though (maybe) lmao

He can take Haazen.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He can take Haazen. Who?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Nope.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Who?

The old Jedi Padawan that repeatedly got his ass kicked by mercenaries in melee combat. He got pissed and gathered like, dozens of ancient Sith artifacts and became a powerhouse, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The old Jedi Padawan that repeatedly got his ass kicked by mercenaries in melee combat. He got pissed and gathered like, dozens of ancient Sith artifacts and became a powerhouse, though. I wouldn't say he's a powerhouse. He's probably around EU Vos level. Aniway, any padawan would stomp Finn easily

Lol @ MythLord trolling.

This is crazy.

Just because you have no proper counter-argument doesn't make it crazy.

Finn beats your average padawan, lol. Might lose to an average Knight, but puts up a good fight.

Originally posted by MythLord
Just because you have no proper counter-argument doesn't make it crazy.

Finn beats your average padawan, lol. Might lose to an average Knight, but puts up a good fight. No, he gets stomped by any padawan, like any Padawan would stomp a clone trooper or a stormtrooper in single combat.

Its not a good showing for Finn, its a bad showing for Kylo.

Which is funny because Kylo is a barely trained, unrefined mess.

Dude throws his lightsaber around like its a baseball bat. :/

Originally posted by Jmanghan
No, he gets stomped by any padawan, like any Padawan would stomp a clone trooper or a stormtrooper in single combat.

This isn't a common Clone or Stormtrooper.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Its not a good showing for Finn, its a bad showing for Kylo.

Which is funny because Kylo is a barely trained, unrefined mess.

That's a red herring on your part, since I never mentioned that duel. And it's not a bad showing for either Kylo or Finn, it's impressive for Kylo and it's just Finn being outmatched. That's like saying Dooku losing to Anakin is just a "bad showing for Dooku" not a "good showing for Anakin".

Also, lol at Kylo being a barely trained, unrefined mess. Though I suppose he was emotionally and physically a mess when he fought Finn, which makes it that much more impressive that he stomped him.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Dude throws his lightsaber around like its a baseball bat. :/

So the core of your arguments is: game mechanics and choreography, lmao.

Originally posted by MythLord
This isn't a common Clone or Stormtrooper.



That's a red herring on your part, since I never mentioned that duel. And it's not a bad showing for either Kylo or Finn, it's impressive for Kylo and it's just Finn being outmatched. That's like saying Dooku losing to Anakin is just a "bad showing for Dooku" not a "good showing for Anakin".

Also, lol at Kylo being a barely trained, unrefined mess. Though I suppose he was emotionally and physically a mess when he fought Finn, which makes it that much more impressive that he stomped him.



So the core of your arguments is: game mechanics and choreography, lmao.

Finn is a TOP Class.... stormtrooper.

That alone puts him below any Padawan, no stormtrooper can take a Jedi.

Zett Jukassa would destroy Finn in single combat within seconds.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Finn is a TOP Class.... stormtrooper.

That alone puts him below any Padawan, no stormtrooper can take a Jedi.

Zett Jukassa would destroy Finn in single combat within seconds.

This isn't your Imperial Stormtrooper or Republic Clone Trooper. This is the First Order Stormtrooper that shits on the former two.

Do you not comprehend there is a difference between fodder trained to shoot down droids, and supersoldiers trained from birth and taught in melee arts with training inspired by the Jedi Order? Is that so far outside your mental capacity?

Originally posted by MythLord
This isn't your Imperial Stormtrooper or Republic Clone Trooper. This is the First Order Stormtrooper that shits on the former two.

Do you not comprehend there is a difference between fodder trained to shoot down droids, and supersoldiers trained from birth and taught in melee arts with training inspired by the Jedi Order? Is that so far outside your mental capacity? So you're saying Finn could take on people like Rex, or Boss??

The Clones weren't just "taught to shoot down droids", they have just as much training as the First Order clones do, and they still got beat down, if anything, they have superior physicals to someone like Finn.

Yeah, it would be pretty effective...

...If they were Jedi.

A clone trained all his life, trained to perfection, would lose to someone like Zett Jukassa.

Teaching clones the ways of Jedi is stupid because they can't accurately use those arts in combat, they just don't have the speed, or the strength, to do so.

Wasn't Haazen able to mind**** a couple of Jedi? Y'know and tank the shit out of everything with his gauntlet.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So you're saying Finn could take on people like Rex, or Boss??

Yes.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
The Clones weren't just "taught to shoot down droids", they have just as much training as the First Order clones do, and they still got beat down, if anything, they have superior physicals to someone like Finn.

Based on what would they be physically superior to Finn? That's your arbitrary opinion, and is ultimately conjecture. Finn was taught in the Jedi-esque arts, and participated in grueling war simulations several times a day. The FO troopers were trained much, much more brutally than the Republic clones and would thus be more durable, stronger and faster.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yeah, it would be pretty effective...

...If they were Jedi.

A clone trained all his life, trained to perfection, would lose to someone like Zett Jukassa.

Teaching clones the ways of Jedi is stupid because they can't accurately use those arts in combat, they just don't have the speed, or the strength, to do so.

They don't have a Jedi's augmentation or precognition, true... But that's why their training should, logically(you do know that word, right? Logic isn't a foreign concept to your cognition, I assume) be much more brutal and harder than the training of Stormtroopers or Clone Troopers, since they're trained in similar ways to Jedi, go through rigorous combat simulations daily, and are in an Order where the weak die and strong survive, who's training isn't overseen by a calm, compassionate Jedi, but by a blood thirsty Dark Sider and his commanders.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wasn't Haazen able to mind**** a couple of Jedi? Y'know and tank the shit out of everything with his gauntlet. But that was after he got his amp, right? I dunno the dude, but I would only assume.

Lol, how could the clones have as much training was the First Order when they had accelerated aging and were being quickly produced? Compared to the FO Stormtroopers being trained since infancy in real time.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
But that was after he got his amp, right? I dunno the dude, but I would only assume.

I'd think so. I was thinking more that he was a beast after he got his cheat-sheets and declared himself a Darth.

Tbh I find the Clones really overrated. They're good, but they aren't greater than every other army in SW.

Originally posted by MythLord
Yes.



Based on what would they be physically superior to Finn? That's your arbitrary opinion, and is ultimately conjecture. Finn was taught in the Jedi-esque arts, and participated in grueling war simulations several times a day. The FO troopers were trained much, much more brutally than the Republic clones and would thus be more durable, stronger and faster.



They don't have a Jedi's augmentation or precognition, true... But that's why their training should, logically(you do know that word, right? Logic isn't a foreign concept to your cognition, I assume) be much more brutal and harder than the training of Stormtroopers or Clone Troopers, since they're trained in similar ways to Jedi, go through rigorous combat simulations daily, and are in an Order where the weak die and strong survive, who's training isn't overseen by a calm, compassionate Jedi, but by a blood thirsty Dark Sider and his commanders. No.

Based on their outright superior genetics. It being a more brutal training regimen doesn't equal automatic superiority, especially when the genetics are superior.

They were trained by what translated to Jedi training, but again, they can't replicate it, so its almost pointless.

I'm curious as to what you mean by Jedi-esque, are they learning saber forms or some shit?

A sith training First Order stoemtroopers in the ways of the Jedi, the Jedi who by that point in time were considered a myth.

The Royal Guards of Palpatine would make Finn their *****. You think First Order training is rigorous?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
No.

Based on their outright superior genetics. It being a more brutal training regimen doesn't equal automatic superiority, especially when the genetics are superior.

Superior genetics based on what? Few Clones actually live up that "superior genetics.

And yeah, surviving and succeeding in much more brutal training and battles would lead one to become a superior fighter. Like I said, I hope logic isn't a foreign concept to you.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
They were trained by what translated to Jedi training, but again, they can't replicate it, so its almost pointless.

I'm curious as to what you mean by Jedi-esque, are they learning saber forms or some shit?

Jedi-esque as in probably trial of the flesh, spirit, courage, and things of that nature. As well as learning melee combat, and going through training sessions to be built to physical perfection. Much like a Jedi.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
A sith training First Order stoemtroopers in the ways of the Jedi, the Jedi who by that point in time were considered a myth.

The Dark Sider in question lived during the Clone Wars and saw the Empire "rise and fall", he's more than aware of what the Jedi are capable of, plus his apprentice was a Jedi, who in turn has fought and killed dozens of Jedi.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
The Royal Guards of Palpatine would make Finn their *****.

Palpatine's Royal Guard are Force sensitive and capable of beating MagnaGuards, so they'd beat Finn, sure.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
You think First Order training is rigorous?

Yes, it's stated that way and by all means it's presented that way.

bump

Not sure what you hoped to achieve with that.

Originally posted by MythLord
Not sure what you hoped to achieve with that. More posts?

We can't argue in both threads about the same thing.

Nah. He'd loose to just about anyone, tbh.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nah. He'd loose to just about anyone, tbh.

What about Zett Jukassa? (The Padawan near the end of ROTS who was blocking blaster bolts and trying to protect Bail Organa.)

That kid was pretty ****ing beastly for his age.

Didn't he kill a couple of clones before he went down?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
That kid was pretty ****ing beastly for his age.

Didn't he kill a couple of clones before he went down? Yup.

Was only 10 yrs old too.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Was only 10 yrs old too.

10 year old Padawan destroys Finn. XD

It's believable that Boba Fett can kill several jedi with his bare hands, but not that Finn can take on the average, random Padawan? Never change, KMC.

It's also believable that a single assassin can give Kenobi grief in TCW, but not that the absolute best of an Order of supersoldiers trained to fight Jedi can't beat a Jedi.

Sorta how logic works around these parts.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's believable that Boba Fett can kill several jedi with his bare hands, but not that Finn can take on the average, random Padawan? Never change, KMC. Because Finn is the best of the First Order Stormtroopers, who REALISTICALLY, should only be worth about 5 stormtroopers, maybe.

Originally posted by MythLord
It's also believable that a single assassin can give Kenobi grief in TCW, but not that the absolute best of an Order of supersoldiers trained to fight Jedi can't beat a Jedi.

Sorta how logic works around these parts.

You mean Pre-Viszla? The best Mandalorian living at that time?

The one who got stalemated by TCW Ahsoka ****ing Tano, got beat by Maul and Kenobi, who were both just toying with him? (Which is confirmed)

Originally posted by Jmanghan
You mean Pre-Viszla? The best Mandalorian living at that time?

The one who got stalemated by TCW Ahsoka ****ing Tano, got beat by Maul and Kenobi, who were both just toying with him? (Which is confirmed)

No, not Pre Viszla. There's instances where a simple Mandalorian fought and gave pause to Kenobi, and where a flipping pirate, Hondo Onaka, held off Anakin Skywalker.

Canon is infamous for letting non-Force sensitives battle Force sensitives, and beings with far less accolades, less training, and less demonstrated skill have been threats to Jedi. Why Finn cannot is beyond me, lmao.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because Finn is the best of the First Order Stormtroopers, who REALISTICALLY, should only be worth about 5 stormtroopers, maybe.

Actually, he was worth more. He stomped a lot more than that during training sessions, without getting pause in-between fights, and those Troopers are trained far better in terms of melee combat than your regular Clone/Storm Troopers.

Attempt to comprehend!

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because Finn is the best of the First Order Stormtroopers, who REALISTICALLY, should only be worth about 5 stormtroopers, maybe.
Kyle Katarn was a Stormtrooper.

No one cares about realism. This is fantasy.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's believable that Boba Fett can kill several jedi with his bare hands, but not that Finn can take on the average, random Padawan? Never change, KMC.
Talk about shitty false equivalent.

Finn is no Boba Fett, not even close, so this entire post is cancer

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Talk about shitty false equivalent.

Finn is no Boba Fett, not even close, so this entire post is cancer He's worth more then 20 Imperial Stormtroopers though.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Talk about shitty false equivalent.

Finn is no Boba Fett, not even close, so this entire post is cancer
Boba Fett has to be the single most overrated combatant in the mythos. He was shit on by RotJ Luke and beaten by Luke with subconscious TK in the comics. Finn's easily a match for the guy who lost to 14 year old Jaden.

Damn, you're right Freshest! I mean, it's not like Finn wasn't raped by---oh, wait, he was raped by TR8R.

Boba dropping Rahm Kota was a punch, supersedes anything Finn can hope to be capable of. Fett would have Finn picking cotton, while he occasionally whips him in the back.

Not really raped. He was also wielding an unfamiliar weapon and bested Nines(TR8R) in a prior fight, while holding back and Nines was enraged.

Don't interrupt my pissing contest, with Freshest please.

Hardly, do I ever truly debate in this hell hole.

Ah, my apologies, love.

'Tis okay, dear. <3

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Damn, you're right Freshest! I mean, it's not like Finn wasn't raped by---oh, wait, he was raped by TR8R.

Who's also better than the randoms in the Empire?

Was being immediately dismissed by a novice above anything Finn can hope as well?

No he wouldn't. He'd be hit over the head with a box and lay in the dirt, like always.

Tionne.

She was selected as a Jedi by Luke due to her skills at being a historian and helping him restore the knowledge needed to found an order, despite having only a very minor connection to the force, and she's not the most physically imposing individuals to begin with. No-one pretends she's strong, just smart and wise, and she's lost both to Orloc, a non-force user with technological tricks to mimic powers, and an elite Galactic Alliance commando.

Bump.

Since I'm bumping it, he's allowed to have his preferred weapon of choice in the second round. In the first round, he uses a lightsaber.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Who's also better than the randoms in the Empire?

Was being immediately dismissed by a novice above anything Finn can hope as well?

No he wouldn't. He'd be hit over the head with a box and lay in the dirt, like always.

1. Boba's above pretty much any Soldier, as was Jango. So this point is moot.

2. Are you referring to Jaden Korr? Because he isn't a pushover, even by this point. Nor did Boba lose to him.

Just as well, Luke and Kyle Katarn have considered Boba a legitimate threat in the past.

I mean Jaden clearly had Fett at his mercy. He could have killed him if he wanted, going from the cutscene.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I mean Jaden clearly had Fett at his mercy. He could have killed him if he wanted, going from the cutscene. Which makes no sense because its implied that he "survived" the encounter with Boba later on, which Katarn comments on, saying the last time Katarn encountered Fett, he barely got away with his life.

bump again

dunno about Jedi but he can beat Bane

With just Disney Canon, S1 Ezra.

Finn would struggle to win against the padawans TCW Tano escorted to get their kyber crystals.

Finn could beat a Padawan, but not a knight. Suppose we'll have to wait to see what he can do in the next movie.

A padawan would beat him

Originally posted by Kurk
Finn would struggle to win against the padawans TCW Tano escorted to get their kyber crystals.

weren't they younglings

Originally posted by NewGuy01
weren't they younglings what I meant

What the hell is going on in here?