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My opinion of Ti has dipped quite a bit of late so I'd like to see how it compares to others.

Both characters are in their primes, who wins?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
My opinion of Ti has dipped quite a bit of late

How's that?

I used to say Shaak, now I'm not entirely sure, but I'd give Shaak Force and Ventress sabers.

I'll say Ventress takes sabers and all out.

Who do you think wins Beni? I mean, Ventress is no Ahsoka, but could she pull this off?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I used to say Shaak, now I'm not entirely sure, but I'd give Shaak Force and Ventress sabers. How come you changed your mind about Ti?

Originally posted by Total Warrior
How come you changed your mind about Ti?
I used to have the Force gap between them wider due to Galen Marek's force feats, but after reexamining Shaak and Marek's duel I have their power less comparable than I did before.

Looking more closely at TFU material yeah, particularly Marek just isn't nearly as great as I assumed him to be at that point.Originally posted by Emperordmb
Who do you think wins Beni? I mean, Ventress is no Ahsoka, but could she pull this off? I agree with Joker, she can take sabers and all-out by a slim margin.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Looking more closely at TFU material yeah, particularly Marek just isn't nearly as great as I assumed him to be at that point.
Well yeah he's pretty hard to wank as a duelist at that point and he overpowers Shaak with the Force in all three versions anyways as far as Force abilities go.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Looking more closely at TFU material yeah, particularly Marek just isn't nearly as great as I assumed him to be at that point. Can you elaborate? mmm

I'll PM you tbh. Can't reveal too much to our enemies.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'll PM you tbh. Can't reveal too much to our enemies. Very good.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Looking more closely at TFU material yeah, particularly Marek just isn't nearly as great as I assumed him to be at that point.

Elaborate.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well yeah he's pretty hard to wank as a duelist at that point and he overpowers Shaak with the Force in all three versions anyways as far as Force abilities go.

Flat out incorrect, as I've pointed out three seperate times (which you happened to never reply to). She wasn't in a telikinetic clash with him in the novel, so he hardly overpowered her given he was on the back foot the entire time. In the Graphic novel he took her off guard, and in the game he simply force pushed her (which they'd been doing to each other the entire fight) with more tactical Gaul than she had done, hence he beat her by tactics not raw force strength.

And given he has literally no quotes that state he became a stronger duelist, merely that he became more cunning and rounded/skilled as a whole, yes, he's easy to wank.

One does not become a prodigy in the space of three weeks fighting imperial guards at best, and Stormtroopers. He was as proficient fighting Shaak Ti as he was when he fought Vader.

Though I'll not bother replying whatsoever to whatever you rebut, feel free to. I'll make my main post in the Kas'im thread

Originally posted by Selenial

One does not become a prodigy in the space of three weeks fighting imperial guards at best

He fought those guys after Ti not before, but just a small nitpick. :P

If you'd rather discuss this in that thread I'll wait for your post there to discuss it, though I grow tired of hearing about you "stomping me" or boasting about a post you haven't even made yet, so please stop this petty posturing until you actually post the damn thing lol

Originally posted by Zenwolf
He fought those guys after Ti not before, but just a small nitpick. :P

That's what I meant

Fighting people like that isn't going to dramatically improve him. Shaak Ti was supposed to be his final test for a reason.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If you'd rather discuss this in that thread I'll wait for your post there to discuss it, though I grow tired of hearing about you "stomping me" or boasting about a post you haven't even made yet, so please stop this petty posturing until you actually post the damn thing lol

So you have no reply and must form strawman arguments entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Good start, DMB

Selenial, when should we expect the post?

Originally posted by Selenial
So you have no reply and must form strawman arguments entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Good start, DMB
No I'm saying since you've told me you won't even respond to me in this thread, I'll wait to answer this argument in our debate since that's clearly where you'd rather discuss it.

Way to twist my words Sel

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Selenial, when should we expect the post?

I don't ****ing know, I'm too busy watching Desperate Housewives.

Some time over the weekend though, latest Monday.

Keep reminding me tho.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No I'm saying since you've told me you won't even respond to me in this thread, I'll wait to answer this argument in our debate since that's clearly where you'd rather discuss it.

Way to twist my words Sel

That doesn't mean this thread is irrelevant, and your refusal to defend your weak argument makes said weak argument seem indefensible.

Oh the bitterness.

Originally posted by Selenial
That doesn't mean this thread is irrelevant, and your refusal to defend your weak argument makes said weak argument seem indefensible.
So I suppose your argument must be absolute shit then if you refused in advance to defend it against whatever counterarguments I made in this thread without even knowing what I was going to say.
Originally posted by Selenial
Though I'll not bother replying whatsoever to whatever you rebut, feel free to.

The fact that you're chewing me out for the exact same thing you're doing is hilarious

Originally posted by Emperordmb
So I suppose your argument must be absolute shit then if you refused in advance to defend it against whatever counterarguments I made in this thread without even knowing what I was going to say.


The fact that you're chewing me out for the exact same thing you're doing is hilarious

Quite the opposite. I believe that no matter what you say my point will stand, because I have a fundamentally much stronger understanding of the Source material than you do. Just like your arguments on the mundane context of the Bane trilogy holds more weight than mine.

I fully believe that I won't need to respond to you, because even if you don't believe what I said to be true, we're not debating these characters to change the opinions of the people whose mind is already made up.

If you believe truly that my post made no dent in yours and your point still stands then I respect that, despite me disagreeing. What I don't respect is you attempting to flee from this debate and leave the conversation that I started in the dirt

If you want to its your choice, but don't act like I have to be happy about it.

Originally posted by Selenial
Quite the opposite. I believe that no matter what you say my point will stand, because I have a fundamentally much stronger understanding of the Source material than you do. Just like your arguments on the mundane context of the Bane trilogy holds more weight than mine.

I fully believe that I won't need to respond to you, because even if you don't believe what I said to be true, we're not debating these characters to change the opinions of the people whose mind is already made up.

If you believe truly that my post made no dent in yours and your point still stands then I respect that, despite me disagreeing. What I don't respect is you attempting to flee from this debate and leave the conversation that I started in the dirt

If you want to its your choice, but don't act like I have to be happy about it.
I'm not fleeing this debate, I'm choosing to save my counter for a thread where you've stated you'll flesh this argument out more and actually engage me in a debate on, and a thread where I actually have a solid opinion on who I believe wins, rather than for a thread that I'm unsure on and that you've already told me you won't even bother responding to me on.

You don't get to accuse me of fleeing from shit given all the cop-outs you've tried with our actual debate.

Originally posted by Selenial
Elaborate.Face me in a CaV and I will.

Ventress.
Shaak.
Either way.

Nah it's because Wolf tried wanking her and people don't like upstarts.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Face me in a CaV and I will.

You've been refusing to accept that for months, why the change of heart?

I refused it once when I was in the middle of my dissertation, now I am not.

Ventress all rounds by the way, Shaak fans have proven themselves to be rather cancerous this week.

Either way. Ventress would get the skill edge while Shaak probably has power. Not sure all out.

Who even is u, boi?

.___.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Who even is u, boi? Some hobo, tbh.

Ventress with slight difficulty

Ti dies