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who would win?

K'kruhk.

Wolf. Emp provided me with evidence that K'hruk's frigate feats was apparently accomplished via manipulation of controls or the engines as confirmed by the author himself. -____-

I find that rather unlikely Syndicate

What do you find unlikely?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Wolf. Emp provided me with evidence that K'hruk's frigate feats was apparently accomplished via manipulation of controls or the engines as confirmed by the author himself. -____-

The one who said: "The controls aren't responding" wasn't even the pilot, and the comments were from the creator of K'kruhk(back in the Jedi Council: Acts of War series) that just said he'd be more cunning and not use a great deal of Force... And he was, since he guided one ship, onto another, thus causing both to fall.

Of course, this isn't the only feat K'kruhk has to suggest he'd beat Jiminy Cricket.

Eh, I don't care about this fight but the fact that you implied K'hruk pulled down the ship when it's heavily implied he did not does not sit well with me. At least provide me with all relevant information if you're going to make claims, please and thank you.

There really is not that much relevant information. The guy who said "DA CONTROLZ, OMG!" wasn't even the pilot as can be seen here:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/n- EKHbuZHQp4htGp480GQhWNLz4OMLuK3Te0MO132sE1WHSTnlXU
w2WH4Bs9nfnVef_wdC9MkkS0gw=s0

And K'kruhk's hand gestures signal him bringing something heavy down, not manipulating controls:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/QT3_QmSVriqm3Auq6YLjGB_921GhamafZE-BOuitMlHEHF_4nDskbE8xkSFEHVBX5DYg87BnycngKA=s0

The summary of the later comic even notes that K'kruhk crashed the ship with the Force:

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5419748-crashes+their+ship+with+the+force.jpg

Seems fairly evident he simply brought down a ship.

EDIT: Didn't work; here's the damn image:

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5419760-dis+shizz.jpg

Your first image takes me to an error page.

His hand gesture signified him using the Force. Suggesting it's evidence of him bringing down the vessel is assumption.

Yes, using the Force to cause the ship to crash would encompass any action K'hruk took to bring down the ship involving the Force including manipulation of the engines and controls.

To you, maybe.

Edit: The replacement also took me to an error page.

I editted my post; it has an image now.

His hand gesture is him straining and heavily thrusting his arms down... I fail to see how that's simple manipulation of the controls; especially when one of the pilots is pulling the controls themselves upwards to try and counter-balance the dive.

Except it would've noted how he used the Force to manipulate the ships controls, not to just flat out crash it.

Even if Kruhk didn't hurl the ship in question, I doubt it's out of his ability range.

Thanks.

Hand gestures don't imply the action you're taking with the Force. An outstretched hand could be a force push or it could be the subtle manipulation of an object. Not to mention his copilot is outright saying its the controls.

Considering you don't know the intent of the person who wrote that quote and all other evidence points to K'hruk having simply manipulated the controls I'd say that your assumption is incorrect.

I'll be out for the rest of the day so don't worry. You'll have plenty of time for a rebuttal.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Even if Kruhk didn't hurl the ship in question, I doubt it's out of his ability range.

Lmao. He hasn't done anything else to suggest he's capable of such.

But ditto for you bb. See ya this evening.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Hand gestures don't imply the action you're taking with the Force. An outstretched hand could be a force push or it could be the subtle manipulation of an object. Not to mention his copilot is outright saying its the controls.

Yeah, but gospelly raising your hands right into the air, then proceeding to slam them down like you're in a wrestling match seems more like you're excerting some serious power, not subtly manipulating controls.

The co-pilot has no fuqqing clue what's happening, he's just blaming the controls because he has no idea that there's a Jedi pulling them into a dive.

It clearly is not the controls seeing as how the actual pilot was using the controls to pull the ship up.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Considering you don't know the intent of the person who wrote that quote and all other evidence points to K'hruk having simply manipulated the controls I'd say that your assumption is incorrect.

All evidence points to K'kruhk actually pulling the ship down, lmao. Usually those things give a bit more of a detailed description of past events rather than: "Welp, the ship was crashed... with the Force".

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Even if Kruhk didn't hurl the ship in question, I doubt it's out of his ability range.

Originally posted by MythLord
Yeah, but gospelly raising your hands right into the air, then proceeding to slam them down like you're in a wrestling match seems more like you're excerting some serious power, not subtly manipulating controls.

The co-pilot has no fuqqing clue what's happening, he's just blaming the controls because he has no idea that there's a Jedi pulling them into a dive.

It clearly is not the controls seeing as how the actual pilot was using the controls to pull the ship up.



All evidence points to K'kruhk actually pulling the ship down, lmao. Usually those things give a bit more of a detailed description of past events rather than: "Welp, the ship was crashed... with the Force".

That's a pretty weak base for holding that stance tbh and I'm inclined to disregard it since the co-pilot directly states the controls weren't working.

I'm pretty sure the person who's job it is to manage the controls would know if the controls were functioning.

He was using the steering mechanism which apparently failing meaning the co-pilot's statement is supported by the end result.

Not really... His gestures are of him manipulating something large and bringing it down, rather than subtly manipulating something. It's logic versus an extremely fallible source who has no idea what he's saying... and also a co-pilot.

But the person wasn't in contact with the controls at the time, therefore he couldn't know. All he knows is that they don't respond, which means the force K'kruhk was adding was greater than the force of the engines, which is still a damn good feat.

The end result also supports K'kruhk crashing the ship on his own; and if the controls evidently weren't working despite the pilot easily commanding them upwards, then K'kruhk overloaded the engines of the ship.

Just for reference: how is K'kruhk manipulating the controls via TK successfully when the pilot is latching onto them and preventing them from going down and bringing the ship into a dive? He couldn't have, which means he simply brought the ship down by: a) overloading it's engines or b) just pulling it down. Pick one.

I take an in universe source who's job it is to manage those controls over a hand gesture tbh.

You know the controls could have been the things he was looking down or torwards off panel? :/

I mean the end result being the pilot attempting to steer the ship but it ultimately failing to alter the ship's course. I.E. the controls not functioning properly.

Or maybe he simple caused it to not work by shorting it out? :/ But yeah, go ahead and ignore possibilities that don't favor your conclusion. Doesn't really matter to me.

At the time, he was nowhere near his job. And its your conjecture he was looking at them off panel, and even if he was, how could he deduce from a look that his comrads controls were being tampered with, exactly?

And we know he only looked at the controls the moment his partner asked him:"Whats goin' on, we're goin' for a dive, m8!" which was in the same panel.

The controls weren't functioning properly, yes, but thats because K'kruhk was overpower the engines of the ship, which is still damn impressive.

Caused it to short out? Does using the Force in a way that's clearly meant to pull something down, suddenly mean he tripped a wire and the ships controls shorted out? That would only happen if K'kruhk was overpowering the engines of the ships and the controls were helpless to stop it...

Either way, he didn't just moving a stearing wheel. And I'm using Occams Razor, honey. Here the simplest solution is pointed out by K'kruhks hand-gestures and the fact that the controls were still intact and not manipulated, thus he didn't move the controls, he overpowered the engines.

Its either this... or your conjecture. Oh, and it clearly matters to you because "it doesn't sit well with you" that I told you K'kruhk brought a ship down and you started attacking me about it and basically derailing the thread.

Tbh Wolf I'm not even going to bother to read that.

I think it's pretty clear from both author statements and outright statements from characters what happened.

If you want to believe differently you're free to do so. Just thought I'd point it out to everyone else here.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Tbh Wolf I'm not even going to bother to read that.

Thats OK; I ignore most of the bull you say

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I think it's pretty clear from both author statements and outright statements from characters what happened.

One of which is extremely fallible, the other saying K'kruhk is more cunning than powerful. K'kruhk overloaded the engines, which is still rather cunning and not just ripping stuff out of the sky, and still a marvelous demonstration of power.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
If you want to believe differently you're free to do so. Just thought I'd point it out to everyone else here.

You do that.

I just did. :P

DD, I got confirmation K'kruhk pulled the ship out of the sky; eat it:

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5429305-ship.jpg

K'kruhk
Case was made by Myth

Originally posted by MythLord
DD, I got confirmation K'kruhk pulled the ship out of the sky; eat it:

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5429305-ship.jpg

*Eats it unhappily*

Why unhappily? It can be used to wank Dooku

True.

*Eats meal slightly happier*

Have you been active on the "Dooku VS Mace" thread by Nova, lately, tbh? Dooku wank has been rising on there

Link it. I'll shore up our defenses tbh.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/count-dooku-vs-mace-windu-1548903/?page=5

It starts from post number 219 or 220, I believe.

Thanks.