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Prime Vader replaces Dooku on the Invisible Hand.

Canon only.

Who wins?

Basing on pure hype and statements, Vader might beat them. Going by reality, and basing on overall statements and feats, they would nearly stomp him. Vader had never show a capability of removing Kenobi from fight due to TK (or at least people on Kenobi level or a bit below, like Ahsoka). He is not as fast and maneuverable as Dooku, so he wont be able to match them bofh in a duel, like Dooku could. They will charge at him, he will be quickly overhelmed and forced back, and after perhaps 15 seconds he will fall.
Also, it should be noted, that Vader is vulnerable to strong, kinetic attacks (by showings). Duelist inferior to Anakin technicaly, with possibly inferior raw power in the Force, was able to overhelm Vader in a bigger scale, then Anakin, when he was charging at Dooku.

The only thing that defends Vader here, is that he could do much worse against Luke due to his fealings for him. But his stamina wasn't impressive anyway in that fight.

Vader dies even quicker than Dooku

I think Prime Anakin and Prime Vader are probably overall on par tbh.

A guy who nearly stomped Dooku, and stomped a Temple's battlemaster, while choking his padawan with his bare hand, isn't comperable to being unable to beat old Ben in a fair way, being unable to beat Ahsoka and got owned by Luke in a worse way, then Count Dooku was owned by Anakin isn't comperable at all.

Originally posted by McP
being unable to beat old Ben in a fair way,

Who said he was unable to beat him? Anakin actually did fail to beat Kenobi so...


Originally posted by McP
unable to beat Ahsoka

Now that's just a lie. He was clearly overpowering her the entire fight. And she's likely on par with Prime ROTS Kenobi.



Originally posted by McP
and got owned by Luke in a worse way, then Count Dooku was owned by Anakin

And? Was Luke not a powerful Jedi?


Also there's nothing Anakin or Dooku have done in Canon that compares to crushing an At-At.

Duo SLAUGHTERS.

Vader honestly. He ragdolls Kenobi and then deals with an inferior version of himself.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Vader honestly. He ragdolls Kenobi and then deals with an inferior version of himself.

rofl

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
and then deals with an inferior version of himself.


I'd say just slightly inferior personally. Anakin was already a beast by ROTS.

Yep.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Who said he was unable to beat him? Anakin actually did fail to beat Kenobi so...
Allright, if he could, then it would be mostly due to Kenobi's lack of stamina, not Vader's superior skill.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Now that's just a lie. He was clearly overpowering her the entire fight. And she's likely on par with Prime ROTS Kenobi.
It wasn't a lie. I ddin't say, that he was inferior warrior. He fought her, overhelmed her which enabled him to push her out of the ledge. She then rejoined the fight, he noted that in time, turned himself right to her, attacked her and missed, while she not. And he got hited by her saber. Then we only see a great explosion, something, that walks deeper in the ruins, and Vader that barely could walk.
It could be nothig, it could be Ahsoka's Force Ghost, Ahsoka herself or something else. Since I doubt, that Filoni would kill his favourite character, his daughter that way, I believe it was Ahoska. And in that way of thinking, it seems that she was in a better condition then Vader at the end.
So he was unable to beat her at the end.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And? Was Luke not a powerful Jedi?
Indeed he was. Until now at least. But if Filoni will gain an acces to use this character in the future... It wont be as obvious as it is now. Anyway, I alread noted, that he was. I just noted that Anakin was clearly stronger, and he couldn't stomp Dooku (considered by many, as Vader's inferior) as hard as Luke stomped Vader at the end of their fight.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also there's nothing Anakin or Dooku have done in Canon that compares to crushing an At-At.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Anakin's feat with statue in the Temple from ROTS video game was also impressive as hell. Perhaps Dooku could do something similar, and perhaps not. Impossible to tell.
But anyway, there is nothing Vader have done in Canon, that would suggest that he would be able to stomp people of Kenobi's caliber with the Force as easily as Dooku could. With one exception, TFU. But basing of any source, without powerscaling, would force us to admit Mace's superiority over Sidious/Dooku/Vader in terms of TK.

Why are you using Legends feats when the OP clearly says "Canon only"?

Where?

Originally posted by ILS
Canon only.

Filthy legends heathen. Begone!

Anyway, I voted the duo. Though, if Vader fights smart and brings his superior force powers into play he should win.

Old CW allusion and TFU part where kind of an offtop. Where have I used Legends besides that? I some parts of ROTS vid-game are still canon, if not, then sorry.

If he's able to take out Obi Wan like Dooku did quickly, he wins, but I kinda doubt that would happen.

I immediately regret this decision (but, if Palpatine's still there, Vader doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell).

Originally posted by McP
Allright, if he could, then it would be mostly due to Kenobi's lack of stamina, not Vader's superior skill.

Well the stamina thing is speculation. More likely Vader was just more powerful and Ben knew he could only temporarily hold him off, as the dialogue suggests.


Originally posted by McP
It wasn't a lie. I ddin't say, that he was inferior warrior. He fought her, overhelmed her which enabled him to push her out of the ledge. She then rejoined the fight, he noted that in time, turned himself right to her, attacked her and missed, while she not. And he got hited by her saber. Then we only see a great explosion, something, that walks deeper in the ruins, and Vader that barely could walk.
It could be nothig, it could be Ahsoka's Force Ghost, Ahsoka herself or something else. Since I doubt, that Filoni would kill his favourite character, his daughter that way, I believe it was Ahoska. And in that way of thinking, it seems that she was in a better condition then Vader at the end.
So he was unable to beat her at the end.


He pushed her off the ledge. So he clearly was able to beat her quite solidly. He was just distracted by other things.


Originally posted by McP
Indeed he was. Until now at least. But if Filoni will gain an acces to use this character in the future... It wont be as obvious as it is now. Anyway, I alread noted, that he was. I just noted that Anakin was clearly stronger, and he couldn't stomp Dooku (considered by many, as Vader's inferior) as hard as Luke stomped Vader at the end of their fight.


Filoni's bigs Vader up and says Luke was no match for him, so I don't know what Filoni taking over would prove. Because he would only lowball Luke, but not Vader.

Vader vs Luke was a Father vs Son battle with conflicting emotions all over the place, and Vader never once utilized his most potent weapon anyway (his TK). So you can't just put all your stock into that fight.


Originally posted by McP
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Anakin's feat with statue in the Temple from ROTS video game was also impressive as hell. Perhaps Dooku could do something similar, and perhaps not. Impossible to tell.
But anyway, there is nothing Vader have done in Canon, that would suggest that he would be able to stomp people of Kenobi's caliber with the Force as easily as Dooku could. With one exception, TFU. But basing of any source, without powerscaling, would force us to admit Mace's superiority over Sidious/Dooku/Vader in terms of TK.



In Canon Vader's AT-AT Crushing is the biggest raw TK feat.

Yes power scaling is just as important as feats, but there's actually nothing to suggest that Palptine's TK is significantly above Vader's in Canon.

Nothing to suggest? Are you serious? Can you imagine Ben or Ahsoka not being stomped by Sidious in terms of TK like Maul was? Vader seems to be unable to do that.

Anyway, I have my own point of viev, and I believe that Vader is in fact a beast in TK. Clearly above Dooku. But I also think, that you have to be exordinary strong, to be able to stomp the others with that. Dooku is one of my favourite characters, yet I don't think, that he was powerful enough, to beat Kenobi with the Force whenever he wanted. He did that mostly due to the fact, that he thrown Kenobi off-balance in sabers fight, and catched him off-guard. Vader is inferior duelist, and he couldn't to that as often as Dooku. He also was able to push Ahsoka out of the ledge, mostly because he was overhelming her in a lighstaber duel.

And compering to that, Sidious and Yoda both are on another level of TK and dueling skills.

Originally posted by McP
Nothing to suggest? Are you serious? Can you imagine Ben or Ahsoka not being stomped by Sidious in terms of TK like Maul was? Vader seems to be unable to do that.


Hmm.. Fair point.



Originally posted by McP


Anyway, I have my own point of viev, and I believe that Vader is in fact a beast in TK. Clearly above Dooku. But I also think, that you have to be exordinary strong, to be able to stomp the others with that. Dooku is one of my favourite characters, yet I don't think, that he was powerful enough, to beat Kenobi with the Force whenever he wanted. He did that mostly due to the fact, that he thrown Kenobi off-balance in sabers fight, and catched him off-guard. Vader is inferior duelist, and he couldn't to that as often as Dooku. He also was able to push Ahsoka out of the ledge, mostly because he was overhelming her in a lighstaber duel.



Fair points, but still not sure why you're so sure that Dooku is a superior duellist to Vader. Vader grew in power since ROTS, but then his robotics seemed to have held him back a bit in Sabers. But put it all together I don't see him being below TCW Anakin in Sabers. However his TK is well above Anakin's. And the robotics have some strengths as well. It's not all a weakness.


Originally posted by McP


And compering to that, Sidious and Yoda both are on another level of TK and dueling skills.


Possibly yeah. But I don't think it's as big a gap as you're making out in either category.

Anakin solos.

Originally posted by MythLord
Anakin solos.


While this is possible, I think it's more likely Vader takes Anakin 1 v 1.


But either way I agree Anakin is enough of a challenge for Vader on his own. So I think adding Kenobi gives the fight to the duo.