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It's nice and all, but it's also a massive plot hole. Why didn't Yoda do this to Sidious or Vader?

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's nice and all, but it's also a massive plot hole. Why didn't Yoda do this to Sidious or Vader? maybe he learned it after RotS

I meant why didn't he do it as a Force Ghost, dummy.

He's a Force Ghost i.e. unlimited power as a result of being one with the Force. It's not something you can ascribe to normal Yoda

I think what our friend means is why didn't Yoda do this in ROTJ to lend aid to Luke and its not really a plot hole as hes had 30 years as a force ghost to learn how to do stuff like that I suppose

Originally posted by relentless1
I think what our friend means is why didn't Yoda do this in ROTJ to lend aid to Luke and its not really a plot hole as hes had 30 years as a force ghost to learn how to do stuff like that I suppose

Where was he going to draw the lightning from on the Death Star?

And Yoda still doesn't directly intervene in any fight, as with RotJ. Force Ghosts only ever communicate to individuals in private.

It's just an asspull. If Force ghosts can affect the physical world then why are they sitting on their asses? Even if he couldn't do it in RotJ, why didn't he kill Snoke in TFA or TLJ? Why doesn't he do something about Kylo?

The writing is completely screwed up in this one.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Where was he going to draw the lightning from on the Death Star?

And Yoda still doesn't directly intervene in any fight, as with RotJ. Force Ghosts only ever communicate to individuals in private.

It doesn't have to be on the Death Star, Sidious and Vader go out in the open at some points.

The point is they just made this up. Ghosts couldn't affect the physical world in the movies.

Especially since force lightning is the art of the dark side...

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's just an asspull. If Force ghosts can affect the physical world then why are they sitting on their asses? Even if he couldn't do it in RotJ, why didn't he kill Snoke in TFA or TLJ? Why doesn't he do something about Kylo?

The writing is completely screwed up in this one.

It doesn't have to be on the Death Star, Sidious and Vader go out in the open at some points.

The point is they just made this up. Ghosts couldn't affect the physical world in the movies.

Force Ghosts have never been able to intervene in conflicts, as established since ESB. The idea of them affecting the physical world is something you might doubt but that has already been established, even in Canon. Their doing so is just a matter of significance for instigating private revelation for their old friends; they literally never do anything else and neither does Yoda in this film.

That being said, I found the scene a bit jarring myself.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Force Ghosts have never been able to intervene in conflicts, as established since ESB. The idea of them affecting the physical world is something you might doubt but that has already been established, even in Canon. Their doing so is just a matter of significance for instigating private revelation for their old friends; they literally never do anything else and neither does Yoda in this film.

That being said, I found the scene a bit jarring myself.

I know they don't but the question is why? Before VIII we could just assume they're unable to affect the physical world (in the movies at least), but now there's just no explanation. Yoda could have zapped Snoke while he was taking walk or something.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Especially since force lightning is the art of the dark side...

This too.

I'm going to assume that it's the fact that the balance of the force is tilted towards the darkside that blocks the Force Ghosts from actively intervening into worldy matters. Also they probably are by nature more inclined to restraint and nurture than to direct action since they believe the Force guides everything that lives.


(Through MIDICLOOORIANS!!!)

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's just an asspull. If Force ghosts can affect the physical world then why are they sitting on their asses? Even if he couldn't do it in RotJ, why didn't he kill Snoke in TFA or TLJ? Why doesn't he do something about Kylo?

The writing is completely screwed up in this one.



It doesn't have to be on the Death Star, Sidious and Vader go out in the open at some points.

The point is they just made this up. Ghosts couldn't affect the physical world in the movies.

Yeah this was hilarious. It made that hilarious ghost Ben Kenobi fight with Starkiller seem all the more plausible.

Originally posted by Azronger
He's a Force Ghost i.e. unlimited power as a result of being one with the Force. It's not something you can ascribe to normal Yoda

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Especially since force lightning is the art of the dark side...

It was natural lighting?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
It was natural lighting?

What's the difference between natural lightning and dark side lightning?

Originally posted by Psychotron
What's the difference between natural lightning and dark side lightning?

One is a natural occurrence and the other isn't. There shouldn't be any hate involved with controlling natural lighting.

It's just altering the environment around.

The idea of Force ghosts affecting the physical realm is from an ESB deleted scene, but also in TCW.

Anyway, Anch-to is an uber nexus also.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
One is a natural occurrence and the other isn't. There shouldn't be any hate involved with controlling natural lighting.

It's just altering the environment around.

So Yoda is Storm from X-men now? Cool.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So Yoda is Storm from X-men now? Cool.

I mean in the overall of the SWU, it's nothing really new, but I suppose.

Ant brought up a good point; Yoda may have been able to affect the physical world because of that world's affinity with the force.

Yeah as a Force ghost he is more powerful than we can possibly imagine