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All out fight to the death, who wins?

Arcann

licks Marek's boots.

After stealing them from his corpse. Its his kink.

You ruined it. It was fine, and you ruined it.

Galen stomps

Arcann - good fight.

Originally posted by JMANGO
Galen stomps

There's literally no category in which Arcann is better.

What feat has Galen got that is better than dominating the Outlander in sabers?

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Originally posted by ILS
What feat has Galen got that is better than dominating the Outlander in sabers?

Catching and advancing on Palpatine's lightning and making him howl in pain and desperation?

Maybe Palps isn't as strong as you 'fink?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Catching and advancing on Palpatine's lightning and making him howl in pain and desperation?

Pain he was enjoying sexually, apparently.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Catching and advancing on Palpatine's lightning and making him howl in pain and desperation? I meant saber feats.

he's obvs a better duelist than RotS Yoda lets not kid ourselves

he walked towards Palpatine. I'm sorry, but on what basis do u think someone like arcann can do that??

He walked towards Palpatine and he liked it.

Originally posted by MythLord
he walked towards Palpatine. I'm sorry, but on what basis do u think someone like arcann can do that??

If you're being serious, I digress. If you're being sarcastic and acting like catching Palpatine's lightning, advancing on him, and making Sidious howl in pain and desperation is some sort of trivial feat because one can satirically italicize "walking" then lmfao.

Originally posted by ILS
I meant saber feats.

Not sure how you're comparing saber feats across eras, tbh. The only solid benchmark we have is that Jedi Dooku > all pre-Yoda Jedi swordsmen.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
If you're being serious, I digress. If you're being sarcastic and acting like catching Palpatine's lightning, advancing on him, and making Sidious howl in pain and desperation is some sort of trivial feat because one can satirically italicize "walking" then lmfao.
> pain Sidious was enjoying
> advancing on him is "walking towards him"

And lmfao indeed simply because you overblow the feat to extreme lengths, even if I consider it one far ahead of Arcann's paygrade(comparing spirit!Valk vs Arcann's barrier and Sheev vs Galen's Tutaminis).

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The only solid benchmark we have is that Jedi Dooku > all pre-Yoda Jedi swordsmen.

Oh?

Elm's rather fanciful with his accolades.

Originally posted by MythLord
> pain Sidious was enjoying

I'm sorry?

"Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations." - The Force Unleashed.

Where did you get the impression that Palpatine wasn't trying to overpower Galen in the ~20 seconds he had when the leadership of the Rebellion was getting away, something that Sidious is furious over just minutes later?



As you say, Galen is doing astronomically better than Arcann, given that only part of the lightning is actually hitting the latter, he wasn't able to advance on it and make Valkorion desperate, and TFU Sidious >>> weakened Valk.

But the key point here is that it's better than what Mace Windu can do against a weaker version of Sidious's lightning, at least in the Legends interpretation of the event where he probably would've lost had Sidious not feigned weakness.

Damn. I completely forgot about this one.

Can someone explain to me how that quote appeared in "Starships and Vehicle Collection #48" lol?

A much better question is why the same source has two different versions of the same sentence.

Each of the Starships and Vehicle Collection magazines are apparently organized into a group of subsections, three of which focus not on the vehicles covered in the issue, but rather on their history and pilots.

-In A Galaxy Far Far Away
-Droids, Aliens, and Creatures
-Did you know?

If it's there, it's likely to be in one of those.

Who would waste money on such a pointless magazine or time on such a pointless difference? All kinds of good questions here.

It's a bit concerning no one has access to them.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
A much better question is why the same source has two different versions of the same sentence.
because it's a shit source lol

So, Elm, are we arguing Marek goes into Oneness here, otherwise I don't get why you keep trying to scale off of Sidious.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's a bit concerning no one has access to them.

Originally posted by AncientPower

Ngl I'm glad it's not just me that noticed that

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
So, Elm, are we arguing Marek goes into Oneness here, otherwise I don't get why you keep trying to scale off of Sidious.

Galen only goes into "Oneness" for his final suicide blast (though it likely wasn't Oneness in the TUF sense, or else Palpatine would've died).

I have all the Vehicle Guides. I'm the one that brought them up.

Also DA I have scanned and messaged you this before.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11122/111225346/5562961-mace+eclipse.jpg

Accolade is on the top right.

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
I have all the Vehicle Guides. I'm the one that brought them up.

Also DA I have scanned and messaged you this before.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11122/111225346/5562961-mace+eclipse.jpg

Accolade is on the top right. Nice. If you'd like, could you check #26 and find out why A'Sharad/Krayt is mentioned for me? Could lead to some wank.

Gladly.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Galen only goes into "Oneness" for his final suicide blast (though it likely wasn't Oneness in the TUF sense, or else Palpatine would've died).
Well one, "completely and utterly embracing the Force," is Oneness in the only sense. Second, Marek went into Oneness and sacrificed himself because it was the only way to save his friends. To pretend he can defeat Sidious with all evidence, including TFU II, to the contrary just seems silly. Marek obviously isn't normally on Sidious' level of power.

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
I have all the Vehicle Guides. I'm the one that brought them up.

Also DA I have scanned and messaged you this before.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11122/111225346/5562961-mace+eclipse.jpg

Accolade is on the top right.

Do you have the one saying "ever"

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Do you have the one saying "ever"

Which issue is it supposed to be in?

Also, was that quote hinting at Tenebrous's Master, with the Balance moving towards the dark 150 or so years before Sidious.

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
Which issue is it supposed to be in?
The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #48

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Also, was that quote hinting at Tenebrous's Master, with the Balance moving towards the dark 150 or so years before Sidious.

I would assume so yes

Originally posted by Haschwalth
The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #48

I posted that quote. It's in the screenshot. If the Mace, Dooku and Yoda > all previous Jedi as swordsman is what you were referring to.

Where do you have all the starships and vehicles collection? Do you have hard copies?

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Where do you have all the starships and vehicles collection? Do you have hard copies?

Good old fashioned hard copies picked up with the minis at the newsagents.

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
I would assume so yes



I posted that quote. It's in the screenshot. If the Mace, Dooku and Yoda > all previous Jedi as swordsman is what you were referring to.



This is what New guy said.

This is what the source material says.



Where is the "ever"

Originally posted by Haschwalth
This is what New guy said.

This is what the source material says.



Where is the "ever"

And you're pestering me about this because?

What does the "ever" matter? The meaning comes out the same regardless.

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
And you're pestering me about this because?

What does the "ever" matter? The meaning comes out the same regardless.

Because, the quotes should be word to word(concrete), otherwise people will start to question other quotes, produced by the same people, Which then takes a whole lot of time/digging, which turns out to be pointless.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Because, the quotes should be word to word(concrete), otherwise people will start to question other quotes, produced by the same people, Which then takes a whole lot of time/digging, which turns out to be pointless.

Well don't look at me. I scanned and posted the screenshot. What people do from that point is no fault of mine.

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
Well don't look at me. I scanned and posted the screenshot. What people do from that point is no fault of mine.
Obviously, I was just wondering if you had a quote with the "ever", but it is not.

To eclipse is to basically outperform, outdo, outshine, etc. It's a verb. A single event. Dooku was "only eclipsed" by Yoda and Mace because, at the time, those are the only two Jedi who were better than him. I don't think that necessarily forces us to put Dooku over every other Jedi in history; no Jedi from thousands of years ago can eclipse Dooku because they are dead. Dooku was factually only eclipsed by those two alive who were capable of it, but does that mean he could never be eclipsed by anyone prior?

Also, I'd love to know who added that "ever" in there. Probably a mistake, but funny.

Probably LordoftheLight.

I thought we outgrew fake quotes, tbh.

Can we get a scan of the other quote? As there seems to be two in the same issue.

Originally posted by ILS
To eclipse is to basically outperform, outdo, outshine, etc. It's a verb. A single event. Dooku was "only eclipsed" by Yoda and Mace because, at the time, those are the only two Jedi who were better than him. I don't think that necessarily forces us to put Dooku over every other Jedi in history; no Jedi from thousands of years ago can eclipse Dooku because they are dead. Dooku was factually only eclipsed by those two alive who were capable of it, but does that mean he could never be eclipsed by anyone prior?

Also, I'd love to know who added that "ever" in there. Probably a mistake, but funny.



Those were exactly my thoughts when I saw this.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Probably LordoftheLight.

I think this quotes been around for a while longer than he has been.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Probably LordoftheLight.

Wtf did I do to you man

I didn't propagate the quote itself lol, and the "ever" part is obvious. Its on Nova's respect thread.

Yo, Sentinel find this one,

Yoda taught many pupils throughout his years, including Dooku, who became one of the finest sword masters the Order ever produced - eclipsed only by Mace Windu and Yoda himself.

Source: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #48

........ We just had this conversation.

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
........ We just had this conversation.

Nova says their is another one. This one is worded differently.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Wtf did I do to you man

I didn't propagate the quote itself lol, and the "ever" part is obvious. Its on Nova's respect thread.
Was a joke chill

Okay tracking down my original comment in Nova's Count Dooku Respect thread part one.

If viewing it in Blog mode it's on comment page 7. I think that's an honest mistake on Nova's part when copying. It's been a while since I've gone through these. But bare minimum there is no such quote in issue 48.

Just the one scanned.

Damn, Nova exposed.

In fairness though, besides perhaps the Outlander, who are we saying is a better pure swordsman than Dooku?

AP 2.0

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Damn, Nova exposed.

In fairness though, besides perhaps the Outlander, who are we saying is a better pure swordsman than Dooku?

Nah it was an honest mistake.

YOU actually asked for verification straight away. I scanned and made the scan public for all to see and PM'd you it literally the next day.

So no Nova had no ill intent. And it clearly slipped by EVERYONE's noses. Don't turn this into an unnecessary witch hunt.

"Damn, Nova exposed" was a pretty blatant joke, bro.

Nova's too big a cuck to forge stuff.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Damn, Nova exposed" was a pretty blatant joke, bro.

Nova's too big a cuck to forge stuff.

Sorry. I've heard bad things about KMC in that vein and wanted to shut that down off the bat.

The written language doesn't portray sarcasm.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Damn, Nova exposed.

In fairness though, besides perhaps the Outlander, who are we saying is a better pure swordsman than Dooku?

I'm pretty sure you've said Revan at some point.

Ulic and Kun?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure you've said Revan at some point.

Ulic and Kun?
Revan may be a better lightsaber combatant, and wins in a lightsaber fight, but I wouldn't say he has a better technical understanding of bladework than Dooku.

Fair enough though; I guess there's at least enough chance for these guys to be better that its best not to rule out with just one now-debunked quote.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well one, "completely and utterly embracing the Force," is Oneness in the only sense. Second, Marek went into Oneness and sacrificed himself because it was the only way to save his friends. To pretend he can defeat Sidious with all evidence, including TFU II, to the contrary just seems silly. Marek obviously isn't normally on Sidious' level of power.

?? We're talking about different things. As I said, when Galen catches Sidious's lightning, he is not yet in that "Oneness" moment which only happens when he does his suicide blast. And nobody is arguing that he's actually on Palpatine's level - he doesn't have to be since Arcann isn't either. But catching his lightning and then making him struggle unsuccessfully to overpower him for like thirty seconds while he winces in pain is more impressive than anything Arcann's ever done, even if you ignore Galen's environmental feats (which are obviously far better).

Originally posted by Greysentinel365
Sorry. I've heard bad things about KMC in that vein and wanted to shut that down off the bat.

The written language doesn't portray sarcasm.

What have you heard?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
?? We're talking about different things. As I said, when Galen catches Sidious's lightning, he is not yet in that "Oneness" moment which only happens when he does his suicide blast.

This isn't something I disputed. The argument that Palpatine would have died is.

Unless Marek is close to Palpatine, and yet someone how didn't surpass him in the growth his clone has after TFU, this doesn't make sense contextually. Regardless of how you word it, you're going for some sort of parity that couldn't be met even when going into Oneness, which doesn't make sense. There would be no need for a suicide blast if that were the case. He doesn't decide to blow himself up and then go into Oneness, rather he goes into Oneness and realizes death is the only way to save his friends.

It's more about how you ignore his combat showings, which are far worse.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
?? We're talking about different things. As I said, when Galen catches Sidious's lightning, he is not yet in that "Oneness" moment which only happens when he does his suicide blast. And nobody is arguing that he's actually on Palpatine's level - he doesn't have to be since Arcann isn't either. But catching his lightning and then making him struggle unsuccessfully to overpower him for like thirty seconds while he winces in pain is more impressive than anything Arcann's ever done, even if you ignore Galen's environmental feats (which are obviously far better).
Disagree.

Galen Marek was very close to Palpatine, and this closeness provided the former an opportunity to close the gap such that Palpatine would get a taste of his own medicine.

There was substantial gap between Arcann and Valkorion however and the former fared much better than Revan (Reborn) against Valkorion's power when in the same shoes. Revan (Reborn) > Galen and Arcann scales from Revan.

Why does Arcann have to be a Starkiller rip-off is the better question.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Unless Marek is close to Palpatine, and yet someone how didn't surpass him in the growth his clone has after TFU, this doesn't make sense contextually. Regardless of how you word it, you're going for some sort of parity that couldn't be met even when going into Oneness, which doesn't make sense. There would be no need for a suicide blast if that were the case. He doesn't decide to blow himself up and then go into Oneness, rather he goes into Oneness and realizes death is the only way to save his friends.

Are you suggesting that the feat isn't real? Clearly it's easier to defend against Palpatine's lightning than damage him with your own attack. That doesn't mean that what happened didn't happen.