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So Skillz, care to make a case for Outlander against Revan in this battle?

All out, both characters are in their prime. Battle takes place on Tattoone

It'd be sort of weird story-wise if Revan were stronger, but he has more going for him.

Revan gets dusted in seconds

I'm willing to bet on the Outlander.

Revan.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
So Skillz, care to make a case for Outlander against Revan in this battle?

All out, both characters are in their prime. Battle takes place on Tattoone

Sure.

For one, there is no exact science for how Vaylin/Outlander compare to Revan. There is no direct or explicit line of scaling that puts one over the other. HOWEVER, we can look at the Outlander's progression throughout KOTFE and roughly approximate it to how Revan compared to SoR HoT.

We see in KOTFE Chapter 8 that the Outlander, who at this point is at least as or more powerful than the Outlander in SoR, was utterly outclassed by Arcann. Not only does Arcann repeatedly TK and overwhelm the Outlander in the fight itself, but even when the Outlander draws upon power beyond the limits of his body/midichlorians via Valkorion (So much so that after wielding it he is hospitalized for 2 days and nearly dies), Arcann is able to block the energy for nearly a minute and tank the subsequent explosion of energy and fall with little to no damage.

I think this alone shows a rather huge gap between the likes of KOTFE Arcann and, say, SoR HoT. Once we start getting into the KotET gaps though, like when we have Chained Vaylin stomping an Outlander who was > Arcann, Semi-Unchained Vaylin unleashing energies capable of "blasting" KotET Chapter 7 Outlander "into ash," only to have Outlander surpass Unchained Vaylin, etc. Like I said, there is no concrete way to put peak Outlander/Vaylin above Revan, but it's hard to see the argument for Revan when the most we really have is him stomping SoR HoT, something the likes of KOTFE Arcann could arguably do.

Seems pretty evenly matched as of late. Might have to put Outlander pretty high in the Jedi list

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Sure.

For one, there is no exact science for how Vaylin/Outlander compare to Revan. There is no direct or explicit line of scaling that puts one over the other. HOWEVER, we can look at the Outlander's progression throughout KOTFE and roughly approximate it to how Revan compared to SoR HoT.

We see in KOTFE Chapter 8 that the Outlander, who at this point is at least as or more powerful than the Outlander in SoR, was utterly outclassed by Arcann. Not only does Arcann repeatedly TK and overwhelm the Outlander in the fight itself, but even when the Outlander draws upon power beyond the limits of his body/midichlorians via Valkorion (So much so that after wielding it he is hospitalized for 2 days and nearly dies), Arcann is able to block the energy for nearly a minute and tank the subsequent explosion of energy and fall with little to no damage.

I think this alone shows a rather huge gap between the likes of KOTFE Arcann and, say, SoR HoT. Once we start getting into the KotET gaps though, like when we have Chained Vaylin stomping an Outlander who was > Arcann, Semi-Unchained Vaylin unleashing energies capable of "blasting" KotET Chapter 7 Outlander "into ash," only to have Outlander surpass Unchained Vaylin, etc. Like I said, there is no concrete way to put peak Outlander/Vaylin above Revan, but it's hard to see the argument for Revan when the most we really have is him stomping SoR HoT, something the likes of KOTFE Arcann could arguably do.

If the Outlander is indeed above Unchained Vaylin, he should win. However, the whole Outlander/Vaylin/Arcann dynamic seems like the whole Savage stomped the Count, Maul stomped Savage, Kenobi beat Maul/Savage combined, Dooku stomped Kenobi situation. You sure there is no extra context to them?

I just wait until Ant explain why Revan is above the Outlander...

The Outlander.

The Outlander.

Revan barely.

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Revan ragdolls.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Revan ragdolls.

How exactly does Revan ragdoll?

I mean I can understand him winning. But ragdolling is a bit far.

I still have not seen a convincing argument for why Revan is above the Outlander. Ant has argued the strongest line of scaling in Revan's favor, but I don't even think he would say there's a definitive argument for him. It comes down to the fact that the likes of Vaylin (and thus Outlander) have longer demonstrated lines of scaling above SoR HoT (or Ziostiate, if you go that route).

It really goes down to the undefined gap between SWTOR Vitiate and Valkorion, so it's difficult to conclusively say.

If Vitiate shares any semblance of comparability, Revan's likely stronger. If Valkorion's infinitely greater, the Outlander's likely stronger.

However, even if the Outlander's more powerful, that doesn't necessarily mean he can handle Revan's esoteric abilities and durability.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Might have to put Outlander pretty high in the Jedi list
Not sure the Outlander's to be considered a Jedi.

And I heavily doubt esoteric abilities will be a deciding factor with someone like the Outlander.

There is no evidence to suggest, the Outlander is even close to Valkorion. Let Alone SWTOR Vitiate.

Neither is Revan.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
There is no evidence to suggest, the Outlander is even close to Valkorion. Let Alone SWTOR Vitiate.

There's plenty of evidence to support him being close to SWTOR Vitiate.

And yes there is no evidence to support him being close to Valkorion but the thing is there is no evidence to support Revan being close to Valkorion either.

Skillz is making a lot of good points here, problem is is that unlike Outlander, Revan scales directly far above Kun as well.

Revan >>> Malak >> Kun

You'd be hard pressed to scale Outlander above Kun and that's where he falters. You have the Kun beaters and you have the people who can't relate to Kun in any way, and Revan is the former.

If you need reasons why that's important, AP just made a sick respect thread to explain it.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
There is no evidence to suggest, the Outlander is even close to Valkorion. Let Alone SWTOR Vitiate.
Hmm.

"You were an exemplary pawn, one I forged into a vessel of supreme power--worthy of preserving my spirit." - Valkorion

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Skillz is making a lot of good points here, problem is is that unlike Outlander, Revan scales directly far above Kun as well.

Revan >>> Malak >> Kun

You'd be hard pressed to scale Outlander above Kun and that's where he falters. You have the Kun beaters and you have the people who can't relate to Kun in any way, and Revan is the former.

If you need reasons why that's important, AP just made a sick respect thread to explain it.
We do have a method for scaling the Outlander.

Arcann had sufficient strength to tank FLS of Valkorion, and the latter had to switch his tactics to overwhelm Arcann. Revan (Reborn) was not up to the task in coping with the FLS of Valkorion's inferior incarnation centuries earlier. These are demonstrations of RAW POWER of the defending characters, and provide a solid basis for comparison. And Revan would at his finest in Reborn phase rather than in splintered condition.

Valkorion significantly enhanced the powers of the Outlander at a later stage, enabling him to defeat Arcann and even Valyin on separate occasions. However, Valkorion's endgame was to transform the Outlander into a vessel of great power which would be suitable for housing his spirit in full capacity without collapsing.

I DO think the comparison is arguably strong enough that the likes of Unchained Vaylin (who is incomprehensibly beyond KOTFE Arcann) should be beyond Revan

Vaylin > Revan is basically set in stone tbh.

Like I'm not sure if Revan could dispatch Arcann the same way Vaylin can

Pretty sure Revan can catch Arcann off-guard and shatter stone walls.

Revan in a good fight

And yet she's incapable of disintegrating Arcann with his defenses down when Unchained? mmm

BTW, who exactly are you referring to?

Outlander, during her unchaining.

Oh yes, he was quite disintegrated...

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Neither is Revan.
Not suggesting Revan is close to Valkorion.
But their is evidence to suggest he is to SWTOR Vitiate.

Skillz, I'm not implying Swtor Vitiate is above Valk.
I'm just pointing out there is no definite concrete scaling, that can put the Outlander close to even SWTOR Vitiate.
That being said, there is enough to imply the Outlander is in the same league as Revan.

Interresting arguments from both side...