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I know that more midis per cell allows Force users to better connect to the force, but are they the end all be all where overall strength is concerned?

For instance; if you have two Jedi with a midi count of 10,000 and a midi count of 15,000, can the Jedi with the lower count ever become as powerful as the other Jedi?

I actually think Luke said it best:

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^I like this explanation

But if all you have to do is open the "door" to unlock a "flood" of force power, then why would midichlorians even matter? Seems like attaining power has more to do with mindset then your cells.

Because Jedi with higher midi-chlorian counts have an inherently stronger connection/affinity to the Force, which makes it much easier for them to open the "door". That's why Jedi from the hyper-powerful Skywalker and Palpatine bloodlines, for example, were able to do what they did with minimal training. Essentially, their doors were already wide open from the start.

What Luke is saying is that it is possible for ANY Jedi to open that same door... But it might just take them longer to figure out how.

Okay but, like... what even are Midichlorians?


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Higher Midichlorians=Your "Door" is much more wide open than those that don't is how I see it. They do matter, although someone with a high count sitting on their bum would get owned by someone who trained got decades with a modest count. Luke also probably was just telling Voe that to comfort her to an extent.

Luke was trying to prevent Voe from getting discouraged, sure, but there's still a lot of truth in what he was saying.

I wonder, was the same in legends?

Originally posted by Total Warrior
I wonder, was the same in legends?

What was?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
What was? That higher midichlorian count=more open door, and that everyone can open it even if they don't have a very high count

Originally posted by Total Warrior
That higher midichlorian count=more open door, and that everyone can open it even if they don't have a very high count Probably. That would explain how Darth Krayt became so powerful .

As a Jedi in his younger days he got raped by Kenobi. Decades later he became one of the most powerful Sith ever in Legends.

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Originally posted by Sheev
Probably. That would explain how Darth Krayt became so powerful .

As a Jedi in his younger days he got raped by Kenobi. Decades later he became one of the most powerful Sith ever in Legends.
I wouldn't say that Hett was raped by Kenobi. It was a close fight.

It's always been a little vague, but I remember most of this forum a few years ago figured that midi-chlorians gave you a "limit," but how far you got within that limit was entirely up to training.

There were also the concepts of "force auras" and artifacts, rituals, sorcery, force walk, force drain, nexuses, and arguably Vaapad which amped people to a point where their count didn't matter. Legends authors tried to avoid natural limits by winding around midi-chlorians for 15 years.
Midi-chlorians manipulation even made it so you could theoretically change your count.

I'm not sure what Lucas intended with the whole "midi-chlorians" thing. He did have the "that's higher than master Yoda's!" line in The Phantom Menace, which could mean that midi-chlorians are the sole determiner of what makes someone powerful (besides training, of course).
Or maybe it was like the door explaination, where some people were more naturally talented than others.
I mean, he didn't introduce the concept to talk about power levels; I don't think he ever cared about who was more powerful in the force than who. I don't know if he even thinks of it like A>B>C logic, but rather Rock>Scissors>Paper>Rock logic. It's reasonable to believe that some people are more talented than others, though, so it's no big issue.

Originally posted by Darthadi
I wouldn't say that Hett was raped by Kenobi. It was a close fight. You know what I mean.

He went from being a sub-Kenobi level Jedi to one of the most powerful Sith the franchise ever saw. Obviously his midichlorian count didnt increase, so his "door" must have fully opened.