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i dont know about u guys, but i was yearning to see Windu and Dooku tackle it out. Best swordmasters. Would have been outstanding. Who would be the victor? Now this is food for thought. Dooku is outstanding, no doubt about that. You decide...

that was the first duel i tried out on the gamedroolio

I would have loved to see this match up.

mace i think is over rated

and dooku is a grannybasher

play dooku vs old ben in ep3

granny vs older granny! im waiting for the 'Unlock wooden cane' mode cheat!

Originally posted by Mist
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im waiting for the 'Unlock wooden cane' mode cheat!

Maybe a granny basher, but one could enoguht to take off Anakin's arm and take out Obi Wan. as a matter of fact, didnt he match yoda as a swordsman as well. interesting indeed

no he escaped cause he knew he was no match for yoda

Dooku would be the winner by far.
He's da best swordfighter after Yoda

He ecaped because if he stayed he would have to fight Yoda and some Clone Troopers and Obi-Wan would recover.

yeah, he was in the middle of a battle and any moment there could arrive a whole army clones.

He escaped because Yoda was ready to end his life.

YODA: Fought well you have...

Past tense, Yoda was ready to kick his ass and skewer him on his little green shishkabob.

Son what, he still had to get away from tah clones

Dooku knew if he stayed clones would assisst Yoda. People hear makes it seem Yoda is the unbeatable warrior.

Yoda is an unbeatable warrior. No Jedi or Sith could ever kill Yoda in his lifetime. He has the strongest force defense of anyone, meaning not even palps lightning or force attacks can hurt yoda. And, he is the best swordsmen of any Jedi or Sith, again meaning that nobody could best him with a saber either.

Seriously, Yoda is the man. I thought all the movies clearly pointed to that result? Only palps is even a match for Yoda, everyone else would be deader then dead if they actually stayed to finish a fight.

Dooku didn't run because there were clone troopers on the way. How the hell would he sense that if he's locked in deadly combat with Yoda?

Yoda isn't the unbeatable warrior, but he's a damned scary one. He had Dooku beat, so Dooku cheated his way out of the duel by putting Anakin and Obi-Wan in danger.

Already discussed before. Dooku escaped because he had with him the plans OF THE DEATH STAR. He wasn't going to risk those being caught FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read anything of what Captain Rex just posted?

Are the people here who say Dooku ran from the clones the same people who say that fact doesnt apply for Yoda in ROTS?

Originally posted by Echuu
Did you read anything of what Captain Rex just posted?

Meh, who needs reading these days on a message board...

You know, I could picture Dooku fighting Yoda while dicing clone troopers to pieces...I mean, when the clones come after Dooku has escaped, it's only one gunship!

I'm with Darth Rankkor on this one. Do you people know the movies? He had the plans for the Death Star!!!! He didn't want to lose them. Tyranus would never deny a battle, he lives for it. There is little doubt that Yoda is more powerful, but Tyranus sure did give him a run for his money. Besides, its Dooku and Windu, not Dooku and Yoda we're discussing here.

I agree totally with Melkor

I don't agree whatsoever. The Death Star plans don't play into it at all. It was a matter of him dying or him running.

Though, yeah, Mace and Dooku would be an interesting duel...

Dooku has the upperhand with form II.

Originally posted by General Zodiac
Dooku has the upperhand with form II.

That makes me laugh.

That makes me want to shoot something...

I would have to say that Dooku didn't have the upper hand, since he was the one running like a coward.

When he was fighting Yoda he knew clone troopers would come in. He defeated both Anakin and Obi in AOTC and Obi again in ROTS which would be very difficult to do when he was fighting Anakin without using form II. Form II is based on defending himself from a lightsaber.

Remember that Form II lightsabre combat is made exactly for duelling. The techniques adopted by Obi Wan and the majority of Jedi is for defence. Hence the reason Dooku has the upper hand. Of course the plans had something to with it. If Dooku was defeated, the plans would have been taken and Sidious' plan foiled. The Count was Yoda's apprentice and well aware of Yoda's fighting techniques. Dooku's lightsabre combate is outstanding, can only be defeated by a few. Perhaps Windu, Yoda. That's about it. Once again he proved that Obi Wan is no match for him. Dooku is a master swordsman.

Dooku would win, but Windu would come very close. I would have loved to see this battle.

first off dooku and windu are not the best swordsman, that goes obviously to palps, Yoda and Anakin.

but indeed, mace vs dooku would be good

oh and Form II is EU...along with all the forms.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
first off dooku and windu are not the best swordsman, that goes obviously to palps, Yoda and Anakin.

but indeed, mace vs dooku would be good

oh and Form II is EU...along with all the forms.

Agreed, on all parts.


People disregard Anakin for losing to OW when they shouldnt. And the people who think Palps wasnt faking think Palps isnt any good.

After seeing Episode III, I thought Mace should have fought Dooku with Yoda being saved for Sidious. It would have been nice to see Mace use some kind of force power in the PT as well.

Originally posted by Ast Rofan
Agreed, on all parts.


People disregard Anakin for losing to OW when they shouldnt. And the people who think Palps wasnt faking think Palps isnt any good.

Indeed

palps fought Yoda equally in his sword fighting.

Yoda is better then Windu

meaning

Palps was not giving it his all during his fight with Windu for whatever reasons. 1) he didnt expect windu to be as good as he was and it bit him in the @ss 2) he knew anakin was coming so he just lost on purpose

-Anakin should not have lost to Obi, he is much better. Darkside arrogance was his downfall

-Anakin owned Dooku, enough said

making the best 3: Yoda, Sids, Anakin

Mace in my opinion is a better swordsman than yoda.

Originally posted by cameron666
Mace in my opinion is a better swordsman than yoda.

*sigh*

..........

i've given this argument so many times i dont even feel like saying it again...

Yoda is the best, he was meant to be the best, and its pretty damn obvious hes far more skilled then windu..

Yeah...I'm pretty much beginning to hate this thread.

I go with Anomaly's and Ast Rofan's explanation of top swordsmen.

Mace Windu and Count Dooku are some of the top contenders regarding lightsaber combat, which is quite an acomplishment seeing as there are several hundred Jedi. Anakin, Yoda, and Palpatine, however, could put them down.

Palpatine obviously outdid Dooku, even if we don't see it on screen; why would you want to be the apprentice to someone weaker than you?

And if Dooku and Windu are on equal terms, that means Palpatine would be better than Windu as well.

Anakin hauls Dooku's ass. w00t.

Yoda ALMOSTS hands Dooku's ass to him in Episode II, but Dooku runs...and it's not because of the feckin' Death Star plans! Just listen to Yoda's lines, sheesh!

And Yoda fights on par with Palpatine, and Palpatine gets lucky that Yoda falls, in my opinion.

Dooku pwns Windu and would hand him his ass. As for Yoda and Dukoo, the fight was overrated. To man people liked the fact that Yoda had to jump all over the place.

Meh, Yoda was better anyway, even if the jumping was annoying.

He was, I mean 400 years of lightsaber training sheesh. I couldn't handle that!

Originally posted by Captain REX
Yeah...I'm pretty much beginning to hate this thread.

I go with Anomaly's and Ast Rofan's explanation of top swordsmen.

Mace Windu and Count Dooku are some of the top contenders regarding lightsaber combat, which is quite an acomplishment seeing as there are several hundred Jedi. Anakin, Yoda, and Palpatine, however, could put them down.

Palpatine obviously outdid Dooku, even if we don't see it on screen; why would you want to be the apprentice to someone weaker than you?

And if Dooku and Windu are on equal terms, that means Palpatine would be better than Windu as well.

Anakin hauls Dooku's ass. w00t.

Yoda ALMOSTS hands Dooku's ass to him in Episode II, but Dooku runs...and it's not because of the feckin' Death Star plans! Just listen to Yoda's lines, sheesh!

And Yoda fights on par with Palpatine, and Palpatine gets lucky that Yoda falls, in my opinion.

yes indeed.

but i dont think Palps got lucky per say, the fight could have gone either way. Yoda would not beat him for sure.

It was way too close for my blood, otherwise I would have bet money...

Oh, wait, we know that both survive into the 6th episode...nevermind!

Mace vs Dooku would be a great fight, certainly. I think Mace would win though. After all, he kicked Palpatine's arse.

And no offence, but I'm sick of hearing 'Forms are EU' So what? Does the movie directly contradict the existence of Forms? No it doesn't. So why shouldn't they be counted? It's logical that there would be several styles of lightsabre combat. Look at how many martial arts there are in existence.

Giving the characters different fighting styles adds to their character. It makes it more interesting.

If it's not directly written by Lucas or said by Lucas to be canon, it's EU and has no bearing on the movies. Simple as.

And honestly, I was looking at the forms and there's 7 of them. You'd think there'd be a lot more than 7 styles of combat...considering that everyone would develop their own style. The whole idea of forms is rather restricting.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Mace vs Dooku would be a great fight, certainly. I think Mace would win though. After all, he kicked Palpatine's arse.

And no offence, but I'm sick of hearing 'Forms are EU' So what? Does the movie directly contradict the existence of Forms? No it doesn't. So why shouldn't they be counted? It's logical that there would be several styles of lightsabre combat. Look at how many martial arts there are in existence.

Giving the characters different fighting styles adds to their character. It makes it more interesting.

forms are EU, EU is not factual. read the *please read* at the top of these pages.

no exceptions.

go to the EU forums to discuss EU

Just remember, EU is ewwwwwwwww!!!!




















I dont need your pity, I pity myself as it is.

Dooku should have fought Mace in Episode II

There was more chemistry between the two than between Dooku and Yoda.

Yoda vs Dooku was style over substance and turned out to be the worst fight out of all six films. We got to see Yoda fight in Ep.III, it should have been more of surprise, but instead we get to see Yoda fight Sidious in pretty much exactly the same way as he fought Dooku, renderring the Ep.II fight completely redundant.

Mace vs Dooku all the way.

I'd say it was episode 4 Obi vs. Vader. That was just sad.

Yeah, when Obi-Wan dies it's heart-breaking isn't it?

He wanted to die...sad. Yoda had a real sad death scene.

And now we're talking about Obi-Wan feeling suicidal...great...

Originally posted by Lana
If it's not directly written by Lucas or said by Lucas to be canon, it's EU and has no bearing on the movies. Simple as.

And honestly, I was looking at the forms and there's 7 of them. You'd think there'd be a lot more than 7 styles of combat...considering that everyone would develop their own style. The whole idea of forms is rather restricting.

No offence, but that view seems lacking. How do you think Anakin got that scar he has in ROTS? Clearly something happened between the movies to give him that scar. EU is needed to 'fill the gaps'.

I agree that there should be more than 7 combat styles however (given how long the Jedi have been around), and you're absolutely right that even Jedi trained in the same style will not fight identically. There would be differences.

Nope, Lana's view is perfect of the EU. It is needed to fill the gaps, but if the EU says "Anakin got the scar from fighting Asajj Ventress" and George Lucas said "Anakin tripped and fell on his lightsaber!" you'd have to go with Georgie boy's answer.

And there are more than seven, anyway. I keep track.

u guys are all retards...windu beats dooku yoda FELL!!!...and obi wan died cuz he didn't want luke to know that HE killed his dad!!! and it was part of his training u guys are al *******!!

Originally posted by Darth Kronos
u guys are all retards...windu beats dooku yoda FELL!!!...and obi wan died cuz he didn't want luke to know that HE killed his dad!!! and it was part of his training u guys are al *******!!

**** you!!! Get the hell out of here you *******!!!

Kronos shall DIE by my right hand!

*left hand punches me in the face*

(yes... I have problems )

Mace vs Dooku would be a great fight, certainly. I think Mace would win though. After all, he kicked Palpatine's arse (chilled monkey)

How many times do we have to go through this. One more time for the dummies. The duel was set half half. Any fool can see that initially Sidious had the upper hand (forcing Mace back all the while). Second half (Sidious was falling back). End result: Mace dead. Not to mention the fact that he was unprepared for Palpatine's sith lightning. Surely you would stand there overlooking a man who's capable of sizzling u in an instant. Surely Yoda told Windu of the Sith lihgtning adopted by Dooku.

AS usual, all Windu could so was reflect it with his lightsabre. Bravo! You deserve an award. Everyone thinks the ability to use a lightsabre makes you the greatest. HMM. Force abilities anyone? Mace? never saw him use the force. By the looks of it he was a good duelist, knowledgable and wise, but that's about it. Get over Mace. It's pathetic. People are whining because he lost to Sidious. Is that something to be ashamed of? Getting defeated by the most powerful sith lord in the history of the galaxy??
Besides, Dooku was clearly superior to Windu in lightsabre combat, not to mention Dooku's knowledge of the force (including remarkable sith lightning and force push). Reason there was no Windu Vs Dooku in ep 2? Windu's not a major enough character and neither could have won.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Nope, Lana's view is perfect of the EU. It is needed to fill the gaps, but if the EU says "Anakin got the scar from fighting Asajj Ventress" and George Lucas said "Anakin tripped and fell on his lightsaber!" you'd have to go with Georgie boy's answer.

And there are more than seven, anyway. I keep track.

That's my point exactly. If Lucas gave an explanation of how Anakin got that scar that is different to the EU explanation, I would go with his. But he HASN'T. He hasn't said anything to contradict the EU version, so why not go with it?

Valar Melkor: Palpatine was on his backside, weaponless, with Mace's blade at his throat. He tried lightning and it failed. He needed Anakin's help. Without him he was toast.

'End result: Mace dead'. Because of Anakin ONLY.

Mace:this party is over...

Dooku: Master Windu, so good of you to join us. You're possibly outnumbered.

impossibly outnumbered

You say tomato I say tomato.

Whether EU contradicts or not doesn't matter.

Now, let's watch the rest of the boards make silly comments and quote Mace...

Dooku: Die Mace! (Force lighting)

Yup, see what I mean?

Only did that cause you said it.

Have fun with that.

Didn't Mace say: Jedis are keepers of the peace, not soldiers?
But weren't they generals in the Clone War?

Mace's da dumbest Sw character ever

The dumbest Star Wars character ever was an extra in the Tatooine Cantina. He had an IQ of...something.

Mace Windu said that not knowing that they were going to enter a huge-ass war. Plus, Palpatine put them in that position so that Order 66 would go to work right away once he called it.

I hate Palp!

Palpsy is a feckin' genius.

Yeah, he's da biggest SW genius ever

If he was such a genuis why did he die?

Jeez, Einstein died too

He wasn't killed by the one person he tried to become evil at any cost.

Though, Einstein wasn't thrown into a pit by his pupil...did he even have a pupil?

Palpatine didn't see it coming. Doesn't matter if your a genius if the Dark Side is clouding everything. Dark Side can cloud the Dark Side, after all. Otherwise, Palpatine would have forseen Vader's turn.

.....................................................ok

Chilled Monkey: are you really insinuating that Windu is more powerful than Palpatine. Ok, in that case that makes him more powerful than Yoda as well. Be careful of the way the movie presents it. Take a look at Lucas' original ideas and you'll be surprised at how the fight really should have gone. The only reason this happened was to keep people like you happy. After all, the Sith can't win all the time.

Please don't tell me that you though Sidious was serious when he was lying there saying 'im too weak, please don't kill me. Please'. It sounds so pathetically fake. Anakin's intervention was paramount. To say it wasnt intended would be outrageous. Oh yes, Palpatine didn't know Anakin was on his way. Of course he knew, he could FEEL it if you know what that means. He obviously fell for a purpose. TO convince ANakin that it wasn't an arrest, but an assasination, which was diabolically brilliant. Only the mind of a Sith could do that. Brilliant. Besides, then there's Yoda 'the dark side clouds everythign'. Hmmm. Wonder who that was? What a fool. It took Mace to wake everyone up. Still no one will deny what Palpatine did was brilliant. Even the Jedi didn't know.

I completely agree with Valar, though I will not state why because I hate repeating myself about 1000 times...

Palpatine was brilliant...and twistedly evil.

Originally posted by Valar Melkor
Chilled Monkey: are you really insinuating that Windu is more powerful than Palpatine. Ok, in that case that makes him more powerful than Yoda as well. Be careful of the way the movie presents it. Take a look at Lucas' original ideas and you'll be surprised at how the fight really should have gone. The only reason this happened was to keep people like you happy. After all, the Sith can't win all the time.

Please don't tell me that you though Sidious was serious when he was lying there saying 'im too weak, please don't kill me. Please'. It sounds so pathetically fake. Anakin's intervention was paramount. To say it wasnt intended would be outrageous. Oh yes, Palpatine didn't know Anakin was on his way. Of course he knew, he could FEEL it if you know what that means. He obviously fell for a purpose. TO convince ANakin that it wasn't an arrest, but an assasination, which was diabolically brilliant. Only the mind of a Sith could do that. Brilliant. Besides, then there's Yoda 'the dark side clouds everythign'. Hmmm. Wonder who that was? What a fool. It took Mace to wake everyone up. Still no one will deny what Palpatine did was brilliant. Even the Jedi didn't know.

More powerful, no. Windu won the fight because his skill is greater.

Yes, I know Palpatine was exaggerating hugely with his 'im too weak, please don't kill me. Please'. He is highly intelligent and good at turning situations to his advantage. His 'helpless' routine was done to get Anakin's support. Support that he NEEDED as he couldn't win alone.

Chilled Monkey has a valid point. Just one more questoin for you: why did he fight better against Yoda then? Faster, more powerful? Windu is a better swordsmen is all i will acknowledge. Force user? absolutely not. Overall power and skill Palpatine is much better

I have an idea for why it seemed that Mace fared better against Palpatine than Yoda. It slides a bit into EU territory, sorry.

In terms of just swordsmanship, Mace is better, although Palpatine is very good in his own right (he cut down three masters like wheat). Palpatine is more powerful with the Force, but Mace's edge is his style. Vaapad is so effective because it channels the Dark Side's power back at itself. It is thus highly effective at neutralising Dark Side users. The problem is that the Vaapad user is very likely to fall to the Dark Side themselves, so it's very dangerous to use. I'm not saying that no Dark Sider could ever defeat Mace, but he definately has an edge against them that other Jedi do not.

If Mace and Yoda fought, Yoda would win because he uses the Light.

Mace Windu is definitely a powerful Force-user, even if we don't see it in the movie; all of the Council members are strong with the Force.

Palpatine is more powerful and more skilled than Mace Windu. Palpatine faked it!

And don't bring Vaapad into this again! Sheesh.

Here's why Sidious defeated Yoda and not Mace. Sidious distanced himself from Yoda and attacked from afar and Mace fought him head on.

General Zodiac: Also a good point.

Captain REX: Sorry, I can't buy that. If Palpatine faked it, that cheapens Anakin's part in the whole thing. He goes from being someone who determined the entire galaxy's fate to being someone who happened to be there and didn't make any difference. Since the movie is about Anakin, not Palpatine, it seems pretty obvious.

Anyway, Dooku won against Mace when they sparred, because at the time he was still a Jedi. Now that he's a Dark Sider, Mace would win for the reasons described above.

Sidious faked it Cuz he knew Ani would stop Mace and after that his journeu to da DARK SIDE would be complete

You didn't read my last post, did you? This movie is about ANAKIN, NOT Sidious.

Two ways to look at it:

1) Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's decision is the ONLY reason Sidious wasn't killed. If Anakin had got held up, the Jedi would have lived and the Empire would have never existed. Anakin's actions determine the entire galaxy's fate.

2) Sidious didn't need Anakin at all. If Anakin had got held up, he'd have just killed Windu anyway. The fact that Anakin does show up doesn't really make any difference.

Which one seems more likely?

You can say 'Sidious faked it Cuz he knew Ani would stop Mace and after that his journeu to da DARK SIDE would be complete' til you're blue in the face. The fact remains that Anakin is the focus here, and the only way he can be that is if Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's actions are what made the difference.

Simple as.

NO simple AS, man. U totally didn't read ma post

Originally posted by chilled monkey
You didn't read my last post, did you? This movie is about ANAKIN, NOT Sidious.

Two ways to look at it:

1) Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's decision is the ONLY reason Sidious wasn't killed. If Anakin had got held up, the Jedi would have lived and the Empire would have never existed. Anakin's actions determine the entire galaxy's fate.

2) Sidious didn't need Anakin at all. If Anakin had got held up, he'd have just killed Windu anyway. The fact that Anakin does show up doesn't really make any difference.

Which one seems more likely?

You can say 'Sidious faked it Cuz he knew Ani would stop Mace and after that his journeu to da DARK SIDE would be complete' til you're blue in the face. The fact remains that Anakin is the focus here, and the only way he can be that is if Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's actions are what made the difference.

Simple as.
Number two.

Try and undestand Chilled Monkey's point here. Clearly he knows what he's talking about. He is not, in any way insinuating that Mace is the greatest force practitioner in this history of the galaxy. he is merely saying Windu is a major force to be reckoned wtih.

Although I am a strong advocate of the Sith, after watching the scene again (10 times in fact), i bitterly admit Palpatine was bested. In this instance, Windu was superior. It is a bitter reality, but a fact never the less. Initiall, Windu was losing ground, but as Vaapad flowed through Mace he felt hte very shatterpoint of the Dark Side: It was indeed trust in Anakin. That is why Palpatine slowly loses ground. Even his Sith lightning could not save him in such an offset position. Just remember, he is not saying Windu is superior overall, but merely that in this close lightsabre combat, Mace is a powerful Jedi. Nobody can dispute that. I suggest Jango Fat listens to Chilled Monkey, he clearly knows more than you.

Originally posted by muserke
Number two. At last someone with brains in his head.
Muserke ge zijt echt nen beretoffen

Well yeah that's what I think. Don't try to convince me that I'm wrong. You would be wasting your time. This is what i think, well let me believe that. It's stupid trying to make everyone think about it the same way as you do. If we want to think about it this way, then let us.

How would Sidious know Anakin would show up?

The Force? I dunno.

What happened to all the people that agreed he was faking? There was even a poll about it.

It was meant to be

He felt it in his little toe.

hahahahaha lol

Originally posted by Valar Melkor
Try and undestand Chilled Monkey's point here. Clearly he knows what he's talking about. He is not, in any way insinuating that Mace is the greatest force practitioner in this history of the galaxy. he is merely saying Windu is a major force to be reckoned wtih.

Although I am a strong advocate of the Sith, after watching the scene again (10 times in fact), i bitterly admit Palpatine was bested. In this instance, Windu was superior. It is a bitter reality, but a fact never the less. Initiall, Windu was losing ground, but as Vaapad flowed through Mace he felt hte very shatterpoint of the Dark Side: It was indeed trust in Anakin. That is why Palpatine slowly loses ground. Even his Sith lightning could not save him in such an offset position. Just remember, he is not saying Windu is superior overall, but merely that in this close lightsabre combat, Mace is a powerful Jedi. Nobody can dispute that. I suggest Jango Fat listens to Chilled Monkey, he clearly knows more than you.

Thank you very much.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Palpatine was weak, or Mace was more powerful or anything like that as Valar Melkor pointed out. I'm just saying how it reads to me.

I also leave the theatre (all 5 times) thinking the same thing. There was NO indication what so ever that palps was baiting anakin by faking a loss to Windu. And Chilled monkey has a great point here. If palps was faking it, then it really does cheapen Anakins role even further.

I am already of the opinion that Anakins role in the destruction of the jedi was small at best. The clones, and order 66 did most of the work. Lets not diminish anakins role in the movie completely by saying that he actually didn't even save palps from destruction. I just can't get behind the idea that the main character in the movie was totally unimportant, and unnecessary to the outcome of the movie in any way. We have to at least give Anakin a small swing role, by being the one that saved Palps from death, and allowed the empire to continue.

BTW: Just because Windu beat palps, doesn't mean he's stronger, remember that. You can still think palps is stronger. I personally think that Qui gon is stronger then Maul, but he lost. Yoda is stronger then palps, but because of enviroment and bad luck, couldn't beat him. I think that Obi wan is better then Dooku, but he lost both times. And lastly, Anakin is stronger then Obi wan, but he lost the duel. Just because someone loses a fight, doesn't mean they are weaker. Many things factor in to a star wars duel...

Mace was a fool. The 3 Jedi Masters he took to assist him in the Chancellor's arrest were well experienced at fighting multiple opponents armed with blasters---Not a single opponent armed with a lightsabre and with the powers and fighting style the likes of which they've never seen. BOTTOM LINE: They were overwhelmed by deadly simplicity.

I don't like that idea one bit, Diamond; why would Mace or Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan or Anakin or Yoda be any good at a duel if three of their fellow Jedi weren't? Does that mean the entire Order could not fight duels?

If anything, they were more caught off guard. Old wrinkle Chancellor suddenly turns into their murderer.

No such thing as luck for a Jedi, Vanquish. Yoda can't have bad luck if luck doesn't exist.

Even if Palpatine did fake it, Monkey- and I'm pretty sure he did- it does not effect how much Anakin's choice affected the Galaxy. Everything happens for a reason in Star Wars, all of it is Fate and destiny and such. Anakin could have chosen 'Hey, I'll listen to Mace! This guy is shooting lightning, that mofo!' but he chose 'Hey, I'll listen to Palps, because Mace is stupid and trying to take over the Republic and he's making me feel guilty and slow, and I want to own someone's ass here...oh, and my wife needs to live...'

Originally posted by Darth_Rankkor
Already discussed before. Dooku escaped because he had with him the plans OF THE DEATH STAR. He wasn't going to risk those being caught FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For once, i will agree with the Pork Chop.

Dooku escaped because he did have the plans for the death star.


So, we will never know who won.


Oh and Dooku would cave Mace's head in with his superkick, as shown on EPIII

Right on Sorgo!

Originally posted by chilled monkey
You didn't read my last post, did you? This movie is about ANAKIN, NOT Sidious.

Two ways to look at it:

1) Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's decision is the ONLY reason Sidious wasn't killed. If Anakin had got held up, the Jedi would have lived and the Empire would have never existed. Anakin's actions determine the entire galaxy's fate.

2) Sidious didn't need Anakin at all. If Anakin had got held up, he'd have just killed Windu anyway. The fact that Anakin does show up doesn't really make any difference.

Which one seems more likely?

You can say 'Sidious faked it Cuz he knew Ani would stop Mace and after that his journeu to da DARK SIDE would be complete' til you're blue in the face. The fact remains that Anakin is the focus here, and the only way he can be that is if Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's actions are what made the difference.

Simple as.

I have to interfere. You're grievously mistaken. If that is true - every single scene in the movie would have Anakin in it. I do recall that there were several scenes that didn't involve Anakin in the slightest. So that blows your pathetic theory all to hell.

This movie is indeed about Anakin. But that doesn't mean he is involved in every single facet of it.

Yup.

And I don't think Dooku ran away because he had the stupid plans. If he was dead, what would the plans matter to him? If he wasn't about to die and it was just a stale-mate, why not push his luck and fight on to do Yoda in?

Dooku has a superkick? That sounds like a Superman move, not a Dooku thing.

ok look whoever said the crap about yoda and palpatine needs think about what they just posted. as far as im concerned and what i have seen in ROTS. palpatine is a little *****. Mace Windu whooped his ass. he had him near the window jus helpless. and yoda and palaptines duel was dissappointment for me cuz yoda culd seriously take him. i blame lucas for that one. Mace vs. Dooku...close but goes to count dooku they evn have it in the databanks on star wars.com in mace's expaned univers bio.

Originally posted by Darth Calladus
yoda and palaptines duel was dissappointment for me cuz yoda culd seriously take him.
Obviously he couldn't otherwise he would have won...

Seriously, I'm sure half of you people haven't even seen the bloody film.

hey darth somebody. i dont know what star wars you was watchin but in the mace vs palpatine duel there were several shots where mace clearly made palpatine look like a little girl. and anakin showed at the last minute of the duel right after his saber was knocked from his hand.besides anakin ratted him out to the jedi anyway. do you really think palpatine had planned to lose to mace windu after fighting to the death and have anakin just magically walk in andcome to the resuce to save his worthless underrated ass

I agree.

Sidious beats Yoda, but oh, he's not better than Windu! Pfft. Watch the movie. He beats Yoda, but "is defeated" by Windu, because he is faking it. Start of the duel, he kills three Masters and is pushing Mace back, then starts to flake as we see Anakin leave the Temple.

Originally posted by Darth Calladus
hey darth somebody. i dont know what star wars you was watchin but in the mace vs palpatine duel there were several shots where mace clearly made palpatine look like a little girl. and anakin showed at the last minute of the duel right after his saber was knocked from his hand.besides anakin ratted him out to the jedi anyway. do you really think palpatine had planned to lose to mace windu after fighting to the death and have anakin just magically walk in andcome to the resuce to save his worthless underrated ass
Yes.

*sigh*

......................................look man first of all those jedi masters are worthless anyway. did you even consider who was with him. and its not liek he culd choose a better group to go with him. and the only reason he backed up was so he culd have more room to fight. so u can go ahead blow that part of ur post to hell. i mean thas jus common sense. you guys are just automatically assuming the sith can beat evrybody in the order. and thats not true. Mace windu culd have ended his life at any point when plaptin lost his saber

*starts crying*

Why do I even bother? Oi...

Jedi Masters are not worthless fighters. Masters = skilled for various reasons enough for them to be Masters and not Knights. Also must be noted, all three of them were Council members.

And that was all part of the ruse. Palpatine, helpless and unarmed, was pleading for Anakin to do something about the mean nasty Jedi coming to kill him. If Palpatine could really defend himself, why would Anakin bother helping him?

if thats what you guys really think about mace and palpatine. then i dont know what to say.........i mean really think about the reprocussions of being wrong about anakin. it didnt happen but what his influence wasnt enough. im pretty sure palpainte being the mastermind that he is wuld not just take a chance like that. if he was wrong about anakin all those of years of waiting and planning and his empire.....gone with a quick slash of a purple blade

Then just don't say anything, I'll be quite happy.

And yup, that just about sums it up.

i didnt mean all the jedi master, jus the ones he was with. and see thats the thing he jus stood there when he wlaked in anyway. at first he though mace was going to spare him and i belive he was if palpatines dum ass didnt piss him off by shooting lightning at him. anakin needed him for padme thats why he came to make sure mace didnt kill him. the struggle in that whole betryal was for padme. he didnt come to help palpatine

and no im gonna keep talking cuz ur wrong
and it dont make sense for people to jus to go on about crap thats jus flat out wrong

I think you need to watch the film again.

yes

anywho... the Palp/Mace debate is happening here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=343049&goto=lastpost

This thread is for Mace vs Dooku, a fight I am still undecided about...