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Hello all,

Hmmm ... it seems that things are getting a bit too "cosy" around here for my liking. We've all become far too complacent of late; it seems that, these days, all we do {for the most part} is post in existing threads that have been around for months now! SO ... I guess it's time then for a new thread to shake things up around hyah ...

Out of interest, what do you guys think is the biggest twist from the entire James Bond film series? I should really clarify here by saying that I'm referring to actual twists, rather than just shocks {e.g. Tracy Bond's death in "OHMSS", whilst gruesome and shocking, was surely a moment that we could all see coming - after all, Bond was hardly gonna stay married for long, was he?}.

If you wish, you may include any of the James Bond films for discussion here, even the so-called "non-canon" entries like "never say never again" {hell, I don't know about you guys, but I was certainly shocked when I saw that Felix Leiter had become black all of a sudden }.

Oh, and one more thing: I realise that, especially for hard-core Bond fans such as ourselves, it must be difficult for us to still be "blown away" by a twist that we've probably re-watched about 50 times, and that we first saw when we were around 10! But please - really try and put yourselves back into that same frame of mind that you had when you saw the film in question for the first time ...

Here's my two cents: in recent terms, how about the moment from "DAD" when it was revealed that Gustav Graves was, in fact, the presumed dead Colonel Moon ?

I await your opinions. Let the discussion begin!

you're right, it aint easy if you know them by heard. But one of the twists I liked was Alec "rising" from the dead and becoming Janus.
Certainly cause you saw Ouromov with his gun practicly against his head, no escape possible. I thought the main enemy would just be Xenia and Ouromov and not Alec... with DAD I saw it more comming since they did that trick in GE

Yerss' is very good, I did not see that coming at all......
I also didn't see the Elektra King thing happening

ah yes, that was a very good one too. Especially cause her cut-off ear got her off the hook... and her explanation to Bond the second time
good job silver

Originally posted by silver_tears
Yerss' is very good, I did not see that coming at all......
naughty

I'm a pro

at what?

Many things actually hmm

could you make a list?

What for?

to dazzle me

Haven't I already? flirt

this is to dazzle me even when you're not around

Hmmm I dunno hmm

you don't like to dazzle people?

I don't feel the need to

you do it naturally?

that's the one diva

the tex-style? *shivers*

Better

well, it couldn't have been worse

could have

how?

if it was actually tex

that's the lowest a human being can go

oh I love mattex

me too... if he's far away and not online

I miss him weep

you actually can miss him ? you must be sick

I do

nono, you are

I'm perfectly healthy, if you ignore the dizziness and fainting and such

and throwing up? if you do that, you should think about how to name your unborn child

I think I'm pregnant myself

you think? well, you either are or not, it's clear when you are

I'm not, that would require sex first

how come people are always tripping over such little details

you could make a checklist next time and check those things that gets you closer to getting a kid

I dont want one

but then there can't be a misunderstanding about it anymore think about how much stress you'll save out

How much?

this big! *spreads arms*

Wow, that's big alright naughty

that aint half of it ... let me give you some stress

Stress you say

we'll get the bloodpressure up

That's dangerous

I laugh at the face of danger! hahahaha!


just like Bond laughs in the face of Alec who became Janus

That was something, I liked the bit in Goldeneye where he had to ask Valentin (who is a favourite character of mine to boot) for help, wasn't expecting that, neither was he

perhaps it would have been better if they had shown how he got the limp instead of just refering to it... perhaps then the impact would have been bigger

I thought the joke was hilariously done, Pierce has a way of delivering a line

of course, just in the cinematographical view, it would have given a bigger impact if it was shown

I dunno, I prefer subtlety over flamboyance, this was you can use your imagination, if you have any

ah true... I just wanna see how hard he squeeled when Bond pumped lead in his knee
Valentin appears to have been a spy himself judging on the movie, since he killed 2 people that carry the Walther PPK

You are so vicious
I like Valentin cry

and hungry!
he was a good relief from always hooking up with Felix but I thought his dead was necessary to give a new push to the franchise though he did it in a silly way (dying I mean)

Hmmm me too
I thought it was funny, then I remembered he died

they all have to die one day... preferably in a Valentin-way than a Countessa-way. Luckily not many people die in Bond... which might as well be a weakness

I wish John Cleese would disgust

that's rather unkind cry

I'm sorry angel_not

and he tried so hard already... ... and failed big time

It's a simple fact then

that you fail when you stop trying?

No, that you could never completely replace someone so much better than you, true in relationships too

well, it was forced and at least Desmond went out the right way

agreed

that's better!

how about Maydays sudden change? what a twist... right around the neck

oh you're just hilarious

well, be happy I wasn't talking about the Bottums Up club

Hmmm - this is interesting: the last thread I made before my unexpected departure. Whilst I perhaps would have preferred not to have "abandoned" this thread for six months, that at least, I suppose, gives people a chance to really get the discussion going - as has thankfully been the case here!

Originally posted by yerssot
One of the twists I liked was Alec 'rising' from the dead and becoming Janus, 'cause you saw Ouromov with his gun practically against his head - no escape possible. I thought the main enemy would just be Xenia and Ouromov and not Alec...

With DAD I saw it coming more since they did that trick in GE

Originally posted by silver_tears
I also didn't see the Elektra King thing happening

Originally posted by silver_tears
I liked the bit in Goldeneye where he had to ask Valentin {who is a favourite character of mine to boot} for help. Wasn't expecting that; neither was he

{Ahnold nods head in agreement} Some excellent suggestions there - particularly the one about Elektra King - didn't see that one coming at all. It's not like the producers to have TWO major bad guys in a Bond movie {i.e. her AND renard}, so her being evil was a nice twist.

But about the Alec twist - to be honest, I wasn't TOO suprised when I found out that he'd faked his own death {after all, the bullet could easily have been a blank}; after the way they built him up in the pre-credits sequence, I had a nagging suspicion that Alec would turn up again. Heh - yeah, yeah I know; everyone says that they figured out the twist long AFTER having seen the movie. It's that whole 'Bruce Willis in the 6th Sense' thang all over again ...

And I gotta disagree with ya there, yerss, on one thing; even though I saw "GE" long before I saw "DAD", that Gustav Graves thing still completely threw me. Sure, Colonel's Moon death at the start of the film seemed a bit abrupt and suspicious, but I never would have guessed about him having not only survived, but also receiving plastic surgery ...

To be honest, though, like most of "DAD", though this twist really did surprise me, I felt it was more silly than shocking ...

he got Gene-therapy, not plastic surgery ... or is that your way of trying to diminish the crappy influences?
Originally posted by Ahnold
Hmmm - this is interesting: the last thread I made before my unexpected departure. Whilst I perhaps would have preferred not to have "abandoned" this thread for six months, that at least, I suppose, gives people a chance to really get the discussion going - as has thankfully been the case here!







{Ahnold nods head in agreement} Some excellent suggestions there - particularly the one about Elektra King - didn't see that one coming at all. It's not like the producers to have TWO major bad guys in a Bond movie {i.e. her AND renard}, so her being evil was a nice twist.

But about the Alec twist - to be honest, I wasn't TOO suprised when I found out that he'd faked his own death {after all, the bullet could easily have been a blank}; after the way they built him up in the pre-credits sequence, I had a nagging suspicion that Alec would turn up again. Heh - yeah, yeah I know; everyone says that they figured out the twist long AFTER having seen the movie. It's that whole 'Bruce Willis in the 6th Sense' thang all over again ...

well, my idea was that Bond would go on a new revenge-mission like he did in LTK, trying to get a bullet through the general, revenging 006