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okay superman decides screw this heroic boyscout crap.he kills the entire JLA roster in about 2 seconds.and he just starts killin people.who can take him down only people at his level or lower are eligible.and he just killed lex.and oh my god he killed perry and jimmy and lois too.

Hulk can stop him. Either The Professor, War Hulk, Maestro or Savage Hulk. I would go for War Hulk or Maestro on this one. Savage Hulk too.

Marvel or DC?
There are a lot of people who can take him out.

Hulk wouldn't do too well against supes.

Cosmic spidey, SS, Galactus, Phoenix would.

Why do you think that Hulk wouldn't do well agaist Supes?

Simply has too many powers, supes doesn't have to " hit " him, he can discard him fine.

Hulk would do well against Superman if Superman was holding back, otherwise, he gets speed blitzed into oblivion.

Warlock beats him.
Surfer.
Champ.
Captian marvel
Cap Mar Vell
Gladiator
Orion
Tons of people.

it would be kewl if Darksied would bring him down or Imperiex.

Not really. Hulk has really high resistance and he's stronger strength wise than Superman. If he manages to throw Hulk really far away then Hulk would still come back. I think that Hulk is suitable for the job and it doesn't matter how crazy Supes is, Hulk can still beat him.

Pfft, I'm hopping into the Wildstorm and calling up Majestic and the Authority, then selling the tapes of Supes getting owned on ebay and becoming one of the richest men on DC earth.

Originally posted by Hulk Power
Not really. Hulk has really high resistance and he's stronger strength wise than Superman. If he manages to throw Hulk really far away then Hulk would still come back. I think that Hulk is suitable for the job and it doesn't matter how crazy Supes is, Hulk can still beat him.

Not from space, and hulk doesnt have the starting strength,speed, or anything of superman.

Superman has too many factors for hulk, he could just discard him in space.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Superman has too many factors for hulk, he could just discard him in space.
Or just burn him to ash him from orbit with a heavy dose of heatvision. This IS a crazy all-out Supes, after all.

BWAHAHHAH....ICEMAN!!

agreed, hulk is obsolete here.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
agreed, hulk is obsolete here.

Sorry Cordera but I have to disagree with you on this one. I think that Hulk is suitable enough to beat him.

What would he do punch? Everything a starting hulk does, supes does better, and so much more.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
What would he do punch? Everything a starting hulk does, supes does better, and so much more.

Yeah but after a while his strength and rage would be so great that his punches would start doing lots of damege to Supes. Supes can only do so much before Hulk reaches that point where his unlimited strength kicks in and starts beating Supes.

If he discards him into space, he doesn't need one punch.

I would say Strange, but he'd need a few seconds prep to put up a really good shield before attacking.
His normal shields can take a supernova, but an extra bit more might be needed.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If he discards him into space, he doesn't need one punch.

I'm just going to drop it. I don't want to argue with a good friend. If you were some other member then I would debate this but I don't want to argue with you.

I wonder what Hulk would look like with a mustach?

I bet he would look cool...I wonder how he would look with a mustache and a goatee? that would be so cool. Kind of like Maestro but black instead of grey and not as long.

Possibly a handlebar mustach.

or like the one that Dr. Strange has in your sig. With a goatee like The Leader.

that would be cool

Arrgghhh! Hulk mad! Mustache wax is messy and expensive!

Originally posted by long pig
Arrgghhh! Hulk mad! Mustache wax is messy and expensive!

hysterical Thats hilarious. You should put a beard on him.

I got an old Defenders issue where Hulk begs Strange all day for his cloak, finally Strange lets him borrow it and Hulk is flying around screaming "Hulk is sorcerer supreme, puny humans! Hulk smash with magic!" he starts flying too fast and can't control it and smashes into a building, he brings back all torn up, it was hilarious.

Some reason that reminded me of him with a mustache.

Originally posted by long pig
I got an old Defenders issue where Hulk begs Strange all day for his cloak, finally Strange lets him borrow it and Hulk is flying around screaming "Hulk is sorcerer supreme, puny humans! Hulk smash with magic!" he starts flying too fast and can't control it and smashes into a building, he brings back all torn up, it was hilarious.

Some reason that reminded me of him with a mustache.

hysterical Aww man htat sounds hilarious. I would like to read that. It must be so funny.

Yeah man !!! Thats f***in funny, !!

Just to stir the pot on the whole superman vs hulk issue, Doomsday killed Superman and he was just another Hulk-esque character. Only seemed to have durability and strength. Just something to think about.

That's true. I had totally forgotten about that.

Hulk is wizard! Hulk turn superman into toad!

He looks like santa except big green and buff.

Look at the size difference.

Superman doesnt want any of this.

Doomsday was A LOT faster than the Hulk. He was able to match Superman punch for punch because of it.

demigawd, you the MAN !!!!

Doomsday was also affected by yellow star, including speed !!! Trust me.... plz...

A crazy Superman would have no problem outmanuevering Hulk. It would probably take someone with a long distance pinpoint attack to take him out.
Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Just to stir the pot on the whole superman vs hulk issue, Doomsday killed Superman and he was just another Hulk-esque character. Only seemed to have durability and strength. Just something to think about.
He also had speed though.

True that Swanky !!!!

When in a crazy state of mind, living beings can achieve attributes beyond their knowings....

At the current level of respect he's getting i say bucky could chump the man of steel.

No way, Superman is still the most respected SuperHero ever !!!

I gotta disagree there.

I'm not arguing supes beating up hulk, simply discarding him.

Originally posted by demigawd
Doomsday was A LOT faster than the Hulk. He was able to match Superman punch for punch because of it.

Doomsday is allegedly a lot faster than Hulk. It doesn't take high levels of superspeed to match Superman punch for punch. Superman rarely uses Superspeed in battle. During Hunter/Prey, he probably used his speed once.

Superman was able to speedblitz Doomsday, so I don't see why it is such a common assumption that Doomsday is so much faster. Hulk's no slowpoke, and Doomsday was never shown to be as fast as Superman.

If Superman is mad, everyone is as good as dead.

Originally posted by Dr. Diamond
and oh my god he killed perry and jimmy and lois too. again?

How many times is that now. . . hmm . . .

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I gotta disagree there.

I'm not arguing supes beating up hulk, simply discarding him.

Superman isn't going to go blow for blow with Hulk. He'll outmaneuver him, out think him, and if Hulk gets too strong, he'll just remove him from the battlefield.

id say IRON MAN!! if he sees superman and that hes crazy
iron man goes and make SUPERMANBUSTER!!!!!

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman isn't going to go blow for blow with Hulk. He'll outmaneuver him, out think him, and if Hulk gets too strong, he'll just remove him from the battlefield.
Hulk is quick check this out

Originally posted by kgkg
Hulk is quick check this out IF you think about it. . .

If there's enough time to say those two sentences. . or the longer one. . .of course there's also the time to realize what's going on. . .

He isn't moving THAT fast. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
IF you think about it. . .

If there's enough time to say those two sentences. . or the longer one. . .of course there's also the time to realize what's going on. . .

He isn't moving THAT fast. . .

You'd be surprised how fast Wonderman can talk...

On a serious note, Hulk moved too fast for the Wonder Man's eyes to even register when he was mindless. His speed increases when he gets angrier, but not as rapidly as his strength does. Logically, he would be able to reach Superman's level of movement speed, (not flight speed,) eventually, considering that Superman runs on 'pure muscle power'.

SUPERMAN BUSTER!!!

This is a crazy supes, so out of character doesn't apply. . . he could probably just space or sundip hulk. . .

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Just to stir the pot on the whole superman vs hulk issue, Doomsday killed Superman and he was just another Hulk-esque character. Only seemed to have durability and strength. Just something to think about.

That was back in the early 90s, and Doomsday has Superspeed to match Superman.

Originally posted by Creshosk
IF you think about it. . .

If there's enough time to say those two sentences. . or the longer one. . .of course there's also the time to realize what's going on. . .

He isn't moving THAT fast. . .

hehehehehe....that reminds me of an issue of Deadpool. Wolverine is leaping at Deadpool and he's going on and on about honor and life and death before he even hits the ground, lol. "Apparently mutants also have the ability to give mid-leap monologues".

It would take a HUGE leap of faith for me to believe that Hulk could start fighting at near lightspeeds before Superman punches him 1000 times in the first second of the fight.

Besides, the whole 'Hulk get stronger' principle people have clung to for years is finally countered by the newly established 'The more vicodin Superman need, the stronger he get' principle.

Originally posted by dvampire
That was back in the early 90s, and Doomsday has Superspeed to match Superman.

No, he doesn't. Superman owned Doomsday in speed just recently. Even in Hunter/Prey, Superman only used his speed against Doomsday once. Doomsday is nowhere near Superman's speed.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Doomsday is allegedly a lot faster than Hulk. It doesn't take high levels of superspeed to match Superman punch for punch. Superman rarely uses Superspeed in battle. During Hunter/Prey, he probably used his speed once.

Superman was able to speedblitz Doomsday, so I don't see why it is such a common assumption that Doomsday is so much faster. Hulk's no slowpoke, and Doomsday was never shown to be as fast as Superman.

Doomsday and Superman fought at Sound speed in there first fight.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No, he doesn't. Superman owned Doomsday in speed just recently. Even in Hunter/Prey, Superman only used his speed against Doomsday once. Doomsday is nowhere near Superman's speed.

That because of Supes upgrade senes then.

I dont remember in that series they ever mentioning that Doomsday being fast as Superman, or really anything about his speed. People watched them fight, if they were so fast it look as if it was drawn by DBZ animators or something.

Artist: I have the comic done!
Editor: Allready, that was like only two hours
Artist: Yes and its the best yet! Lots of action!
Editor: But this is 90 pages of a punch of colored swirls ....... with Louis Lane occasionally mentioning how they are moving so fast she cant see them.

Originally posted by demigawd
hehehehehe....that reminds me of an issue of Deadpool. Wolverine is leaping at Deadpool and he's going on and on about honor and life and death before he even hits the ground, lol. "Apparently mutants also have the ability to give mid-leap monologues".

It would take a HUGE leap of faith for me to believe that Hulk could start fighting at near lightspeeds before Superman punches him 1000 times in the first second of the fight.

Besides, the whole 'Hulk get stronger' principle people have clung to for years is finally countered by the newly established 'The more vicodin Superman need, the stronger he get' principle.

Hulk isn't going to be fighting at near lightspeed. There's a barrier called inertial mass that keeps him considerably slower than light.

But, since when does Superman fight at near lightspeed, or punch someone 1000 times in the per second?

Superman doesn't use drugs. He's totally against that.

Originally posted by demigawd
hehehehehe....that reminds me of an issue of Deadpool. Wolverine is leaping at Deadpool and he's going on and on about honor and life and death before he even hits the ground, lol. "Apparently mutants also have the ability to give mid-leap monologues".

It would take a HUGE leap of faith for me to believe that Hulk could start fighting at near lightspeeds before Superman punches him 1000 times in the first second of the fight.

Besides, the whole 'Hulk get stronger' principle people have clung to for years is finally countered by the newly established 'The more vicodin Superman need, the stronger he get' principle.
You don't need to move at lightspeed to hit superman

Mach is good enough, superman is a lot faster than Hulk we all know that , but hulk is fast for a monster

Originally posted by dvampire
Doomsday and Superman fought at Sound speed in there first fight.

lol, why do you always put a at the end of your post?

Originally posted by dvampire
Doomsday and Superman fought at Sound speed in there first fight.

Hulk can move at the speed of sound, or faster. He can friggin jump into space, which requires speed of at least Mach 15-20.

In his first appearance Doomsday everybody was commenting on how fast Doomsday was. Doomsday was so fast he hit Booster Gold, left, grabbed a car and hit Booster Gold with the car ALL BEFORE BOOSTER GOLD HIT THE GROUND FROM DOOMSDAY'S FIRST PUNCH.

Super combo!!!

When Hulk does something like that, I'll believe he has superspeed.

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
I dont remember in that series they ever mentioning that Doomsday being fast as Superman, or really anything about his speed. People watched them fight, if they were so fast it look as if it was drawn by DBZ animators or something.

Artist: I have the comic done!
Editor: Allready, that was like only two hours
Artist: Yes and its the best yet! Lots of action!
Editor: But this is 90 pages of a punch of colored swirls ....... with Louis Lane occasionally mentioning how they are moving so fast she cant see them.

They stated it many times in the Death of Superman comic. And what does DBZ have to do with any thing.

Originally posted by dvampire
They stated it many times in the Death of Superman comic. And what does DBZ have to do with any thing. The animation for the fights was less than spectacular. . . They fudged their lack of knowledge of fighting by just having most of the fights be multiple colored smudges.

IT was really impressive when it was all that was known, but then after watching other fighting anime you realize just how sorely DBZ's animation was lacking in the fight scenes.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
lol, why do you always put a at the end of your post?



Hulk can move at the speed of sound, or faster. He can friggin jump into space, which requires speed of at least Mach 15-20.

Doomsday was fight Supes and traveling that aswell. Hulk is not close to being as fast as Doomsday.

Originally posted by demigawd
In his first appearance Doomsday everybody was commenting on how fast Doomsday was. Doomsday was so fast he hit Booster Gold, left, grabbed a car and hit Booster Gold with the car ALL BEFORE BOOSTER GOLD HIT THE GROUND FROM DOOMSDAY'S FIRST PUNCH.

Super combo!!!

When Hulk does something like that, I'll believe he has superspeed.

So he punched him and hit him with a car before he hit the ground. That shows Superman level speed?!

Originally posted by dvampire
They stated it many times in the Death of Superman comic. And what does DBZ have to do with any thing.

Where, in DOS, was it stated that Doomsday is as fast as Superman?

The also like to animated a quick series of punches and kicks and cycle it over and over and over again really really fast.

And after that reminder of that combo, I remember Doomsday being pretty fast, thanks for that correction.

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
The also like to animated a quick series of punches and kicks and cycle it over and over and over again really really fast. Yeah I remember some of the fights were no more than like three frames looped . . . Punch/block one side, inbetween, punch/block the other side.

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
The also like to animated a quick series of punches and kicks and cycle it over and over and over again really really fast.

And after that reminder of that combo, I remember Doomsday being pretty fast, thanks for that correction.

Pretty fast, but as fast as Superman? Hardly. I mean, how long does it take for a character with Superman level strength to grab a car? That's like picking up a ball of paper.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
So he punched him and hit him with a car before he hit the ground. That shows Superman level speed?!



Where, in DOS, was it stated that Doomsday is as fast as Superman?

It was stated by Guy, and Superman.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Pretty fast, but as fast as Superman? Hardly. I mean, how long does it take for a character with Superman level strength to grab a car? That's like picking up a ball of paper.

You're missing the implication of that. Doomday punches somebody, knocking them down towards the ground. While they're falling towards the ground, he runs, grabs a car, comes back and hits the opponent in the other direction before said opponent has hit the ground from the first hit by Doomsday. You don't find that to be impressive speed?

Originally posted by dvampire
It was stated by Guy, and Superman.

Page #s? They said he was fast, but I don't recall anyone saying he's as fast as Superman.

DD doesn't have speed anymore or what?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Page #s? They said he was fast, but I don't recall anyone saying he's as fast as Superman.

Page 66, Booster Gold even said he's faster than the Flash.

Originally posted by demigawd
You're missing the implication of that. Doomday punches somebody, knocking them down towards the ground. While they're falling towards the ground, he runs, grabs a car, comes back and hits the opponent in the other direction before said opponent has hit the ground from the first hit by Doomsday. You don't find that to be impressive speed?
Considering that Superman has caught bullets from miles away, I don't put him in the same class as Superman. I mean, how far away was the car, anyway? Has Doomsday ever moved too fast for someone with superhuman senses to see?

Speed that isn't from a source like the Speed Force is merely muscular strenght and reflexes. Hulk can't go at lightspeed, or anywhere close, but he can get pretty damn fast.

Originally posted by dvampire
Page 66, Booster Gold even said he's faster than the Flash.
what issue

Originally posted by dvampire
Page 66, Booster Gold even said he's faster than the Flash.

I call BS. What happened on that page?

Doomsday is not faster than Flash. Let's not be ridiculous.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Considering that Superman has caught bullets from miles away, I don't put him in the same class as Superman. I mean, how far away was the car, anyway? Has Doomsday ever moved too fast for someone with superhuman senses to see?

Speed that isn't from a source like the Speed Force is merely muscular strenght and reflexes. Hulk can't go at lightspeed, or anywhere close, but he can get pretty damn fast.

This was ten years ago though, in Death of Superman comic.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I call BS. What happened on that page?

Doomsday is not faster than Flash. Let's not be ridiculous.

It's right there, pick the book up if you don't want to take my word.

Originally posted by dvampire
It's right there, pick the book up if you don't want to take my word.

I'll have to get it from my roommate.

You don't have scans, by any chance?

Originally posted by dvampire
This was ten years ago though, in Death of Superman comic.

Superman wasn't fast enough to catch a bullet from a mile away while flying in 1993? He might not be fast enough to do it while running, but in flight? I doubt that.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I'll have to get it from my roommate.

You don't have scans, by any chance?

No scanner. But I gave you enough to info, just pick the book up, it cost about $10.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman wasn't fast enough to catch a bullet from a mile away while flying in 1993? He might not be fast enough to do it while running, but in flight? I doubt that.

Both Supes and Doomsday was fighting and moving at sound speed.

This should be the thread picture:

"I call BS. What happened on that page?

Doomsday is not faster than Flash. Let's not be ridiculous"

Thats true.

When Booster Gold said that, he was almost beaten to death. I dont take it serious when a guy is getting beaten and with a concussion on his head and starts talking to the air.

Supes and Doomsday wer not figthing at high speeds. Lois Lane was making the report by looking at them. The tv was capturing the whole fight. Jimmy was taking pictures of it.

Flash speed my arse.

"Both Supes and Doomsday was fighting and moving at sound speed."

Wouldnt that make impossible for the common pll to follow how the fight was going ?

Originally posted by dvampire
Both Supes and Doomsday was fighting and moving at sound speed. That's not faster than the Flash, and sound only goes 770 mph. That's only about 200mph faster than Hulk can run. There's no way Doomsday is as fast as Superman.

Flash wasn't that fast at that time.

He was mach speed also

Originally posted by olympian
"I call BS. What happened on that page?

Doomsday is not faster than Flash. Let's not be ridiculous"

Thats true.

Booster Gold when he said that was almost beaten to death. I dont take it serious when a guy is getting beaten and with a concussion on his head and starts talking crapola.

Supes and Doomsday wer not figthing at high speeds. Lois Lane was making the report by looking at them. The tv was capturing the whole fight. Jimmy was taking pictures of it.

Flash speed my arse.

They was, the camera couldn't even keep up with them, the his words were "I want to keep firing but it's impossible! The're moving too fast!".

Originally posted by kgkg
Flash wasn't that fast at that time.

He was mach speed also

That explains a lot. People alway leave out details when talking about Superman, or Doomsday.

I think if Booster Gold really said that, he was just BSing, I mean think about it.

*Superman arrives at the battle*
Super: Dang booster gold! You got messed up, what happened!?!?
Booster: (I cant let the heroes know that I got totally chumped by Doomsday, when all he did was cold cock me one time) Watch out superman, he is as fast as the FLASH! Yeah, really fast! And uh, he is as smart as Lex Luthor! Yeah thats the ticket! And uh, he has as many fanboys as WOLVERINE! You better look out!

I think in the fight, with emotions running high, it might have been overstated.

"want to keep firing but it's impossible! The're moving too fast!"

Your talking about the Cadmus soldiers not the reporters.

And i didnt said they werent moving faster than common mortals. Im saying they could follow them. And you can see that since the Cadmus soldiers wer always in theyr leads. Like the reporters. So it cant be high speeds.

Originally posted by olympian
"want to keep firing but it's impossible! The're moving too fast!"

Your talking about the Cadmus soldiers not the reporters.

And i didnt said they werent moving faster than common mortals. Im saying they could follow them. And you can see that since the Cadmus soldiers wer always in theyr leads. Like the reporters. So it cant be high speeds.

It's high speeds if they said it's impossible to keep up.

And about Booster. It was an overstatement for me. Clear as crystal.

"It's high speeds if they said it's impossible to keep up"

Then they wer lying because they wer keeping it up everyone was.

Methinks the Death of Superman happened in Aprils fool. What you say?

Originally posted by olympian
And about Booster. It was an overstatement for me. Clear as crystal.

I guess we can get back on topic then.

Oh yes wich one was it? Ahhh the scout all crazy.

Originally posted by olympian
Oh yes wich one was it? Ahhh the scout all crazy.

Yes that's it.

How fast do you need to be to dodge superman?

Well . . .

Good Good, now get one Post crisis eh.

Originally posted by olympian
Good Good, now get one Post crisis eh. Pictures meant entirely for humor showcasing Superman being a dick? Okay

Oh, so now we're just dismissing statements people have made as "overstatements" and entire storyarcs as being BS? C'mon, we're better than that. It's been pretty clearly established that Doomsday possesses superspeed, by both comments from characters and from his actions. If you want to nitpick about whether he's faster than Flash or Superman, go ahead, but we can safely say that he does possess superspeed and I have every confidence that he's A LOT faster than the Hulk, who Wolverine can dodge with no problems.

Originally posted by demigawd
Oh, so now we're just dismissing statements people have made as "overstatements" and entire storyarcs as being BS? C'mon, we're better than that. It's been pretty clearly established that Doomsday possesses superspeed, by both comments from characters and from his actions. If you want to nitpick about whether he's faster than Flash or Superman, go ahead, but we can safely say that he does possess superspeed and I have every confidence that he's A LOT faster than the Hulk, who Wolverine can dodge with no problems. We're saying simply because a character said it doesn't make it true. . .

There's that one hyperion guy who told a whopper of a lie. . .

"Oh, so now we're just dismissing statements people have made as "overstatements"

Characters statements are true when the action shows accurate to it. Wonder Woman has said she could go against Darkseid alone and was beaten. Same to the clone Doomsday. Its called " bad judgments"

"It's been pretty clearly established that Doomsday possesses superspeed"

No one is arguing he doesnt posses a degree of super speed. Hulk posses it too for example.

"by both comments from characters and from his actions. If you want to nitpick about whether he's faster than Flash or Superman"

We only have the statements, Supes went into the battle as a pure slugfest. While he was figthing fast it wasent using -super speed- like flash uses or he does currently. Nothing at all. When normal pll can follow the fight, your just figthing fast.

Well it doesn't matter, Booster said it, but that doesn't mean you have to absorb what he said though. And they was fighting at Superspeed.

Thats the most accurate way to go. He isent a speedster in the first place. How difficult it is for guys who have enchanted senses to do what Doomsday did? He was just impressed.

Originally posted by long pig
Hulk would do well against Superman if Superman was holding back, otherwise, he gets speed blitzed into oblivion.

Warlock beats him.
Surfer.
Champ.
Captian marvel
Cap Mar Vell
Gladiator
Orion
Tons of people.

All these lose

People there WERE having trouble following the fight. The Cadmus soldiers, and I believe the reporter in the end said it was going too fast for him to record. He even took Darkseid (who is a speedster himself) by surprise. In Doomsday's few appearances, he used superspeed more often and more impressively than I'd ever seen Hulk do it in 40 years. That to me shows that speed is more a part of his fighting than it is for Hulk.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Hulk wouldn't do too well against supes.

Cosmic spidey, SS, Galactus, Phoenix would.

SS can't the others might, if SS knows about Kryptonite he could, without it he can't hurt supes

Originally posted by olympian
Thats the most accurate way to go. He isent a speedster in the first place. How difficult it is for guys who have enchanted senses to do what Doomsday did? He was just impressed.

He's a speedster, I just don't think he was as fast as Flash though.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
BWAHAHHAH....ICEMAN!!


Not proven at all

Originally posted by whirlysplat
SS can't the others might, if SS knows about Kryptonite he could, without it he can't hurt supes

Other's "might"?

Phoenix could no problem. . . Gladiator. . . hmm . . .

ICEMAN!!!! .....through his godly powers....

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If Superman is mad, everyone is as good as dead.

Very True

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
ICEMAN!!!! .....through his godly powers....

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Not proven at all

Originally posted by kgkg
DD doesn't have speed anymore or what?


No Supes is now much faster

Originally posted by whirlysplat
No Supes is now much faster
faster than what?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Considering that Superman has caught bullets from miles away, I don't put him in the same class as Superman. I mean, how far away was the car, anyway? Has Doomsday ever moved too fast for someone with superhuman senses to see?

Speed that isn't from a source like the Speed Force is merely muscular strenght and reflexes. Hulk can't go at lightspeed, or anywhere close, but he can get pretty damn fast.


Supes has done what CC Last time you debated supes speed you said he could not catch bullets. hmmmmmmm.
Interesting

Originally posted by kgkg
faster than what?

Than he was at the time of his Death Arc

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Than he was at the time of his Death Arc
You are rite he is faster before.

before he was struggling with low mach

Originally posted by Creshosk
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What do think about it??

Originally posted by Creshosk
Other's "might"?

Phoenix could no problem. . . Gladiator. . . hmm . . .


According to Galactic Storm no doubt, it would depend on the Avatar, a half completed Airwalker among other things gave Rachael problems.

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Originally posted by kgkg
You are rite he is faster before.

before he was struggling with low mach

Again depended on the writer

I found this in another thread talking about superman fighting someone:

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I can't remember the issue,but Green lantern called out for supes help on the other side of the universe and Supes was their virtualy in an instant.

Originally posted by dvampire
Superman #204 is what your talking about.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
What do think about it?? Based on what Iceman has been stated to be able to do and what superman was stated to do against it, I'm surprised that superman's own invulnerabiliteis didn't kill him by dehydration or cellular decay.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
According to Galactic Storm no doubt, it would depend on the Avatar, a half completed Airwalker among other things gave Rachael problems.

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly Phoenix not phoenix avatar.

That's be like aruging for juggernaut when it was about Cyttorak.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Again depended on the writer
Even in recent ones you should email the writers whirly

Difference between Supes and most heroes is 5 issues a month gives a lot of poor continuity. Most characters at the most have two books a month.

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Well you guys should have seen Superman when he fought Doomsday the 3rd time I guess. Superman was talking to Doomsday blah blah you are smart now. Superman was dodging Doomsdays punches and it was a blur of Superman or something I know Snoop dog has a picture of that but yeah Due to Supermans strength and speed who can really stop him ya know.

Originally posted by kgkg
Even in recent ones you should email the writers whirly

Difference between Supes and most heroes is 5 issues a month gives a lot of poor continuity. Most characters at the most have two books a month.

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Originally posted by Fanboy
Well you guys should have seen Superman when he fought Doomsday the 3rd time I guess. Superman was talking to Doomsday blah blah you are smart now. Superman was dodging Doomsdays punches and it was a blur of Superman or something I know Snoop dog has a picture of that but yeah Due to Supermans strength and speed who can really stop him ya know.

almost noone


Well said

Originally posted by whirlysplat
All these lose

Those guys would own Supes, whirly. Let's be realistic.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Supes has done what CC Last time you debated supes speed you said he could not catch bullets. hmmmmmmm.
Interesting

Superman could not catch the bullets. I wasn't debating it. It actually happened, and he said himself that he wasn't fast enough to catch them.

IMPERIOUS REX, BITCHEZ.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Those guys would own Supes, whirly. Let's be realistic.



Superman could not catch the bullets. I wasn't debating it. It actually happened, and he said himself that he wasn't fast enough to catch them.

none of these have been "proven in any thread"

Originally posted by long pig
Hulk would do well against Superman if Superman was holding back, otherwise, he gets speed blitzed into oblivion.

Warlock beats him.
Surfer.
Champ.
Captian marvel
Cap Mar Vell
Gladiator
Orion
Tons of people.

In fact the Warlock thread most generally agreed Warlock would lose.
Champ probably wins.
Surfer fanboys said he would win, I said the Surfer would win if he knew about Kryptonite otherwise he might not. Lots for and against, e.g. His powers didn't work on Cyborg Supes.
Captain Marvel Shazam, lost to Supes more times than he has sucker punched him
Mah vell hmmm not a chance in hell, I know, I have all appearances pretty much up to his death. Great character as for power don't believe the hype.
Gladiator lots of conflicting data here See the recent Supes/Thor thread. I used to think Gladiator would but now, nope Supes all the way.
Orion, Supes has beaten him

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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

Superman could not catch the bullets. I wasn't debating it. It actually happened, and he said himself that he wasn't fast enough to catch them.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Considering that Superman has caught bullets from miles away, I don't put him in the same class as Superman. I mean, how far away was the car, anyway? Has Doomsday ever moved too fast for someone with superhuman senses to see?

Speed that isn't from a source like the Speed Force is merely muscular strenght and reflexes. Hulk can't go at lightspeed, or anywhere close, but he can get pretty damn fast.


hmmmmmm So which is it CC

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what's to stop superman from going back in time and defeating anybody before they gained their powers, that is, with the exception of Surfer , who'd be right there with him?

"what's to stop superman from going back in time and defeating anybody before they gained their powers, that is, with the exception of Surfer , who'd be right there with him?"

The fact that Post Crisis he cant travel in time on its own maybe?

Or did we got back to Pre Crisis all over again.

Originally posted by olympian
back to Pre Crisis all over again.

Okay. . .

well then surfer could take him...what can superman do that surfer can't?

"quote: (post)
Originally posted by olympian
back to Pre Crisis all over again.


Okay. . ."

Damn i almost forgot how much of a jerk he was back then

lol.

If Supes went crazy...

As in "28 Days Later" psycho-after-your-blood-insane-crazy....

I don't believe anyone short of Cosmic level could stop him....

If he used his speed, flight, strength etc etc to it's fullest extent - even post-crisis - almost any opponent would be destroyed....

The Hulk would be turned into green mush in an instant.
Flash would be squashed like a bug.
Thor's head would cave in.
Etc etc.

The only people who could defeat him are people who are pretty much above all normal concepts of speed and strength.

People like Thanos, Tyrant, Odin...

These are the people who would stop him...

Why you need those to bug in against a flea like Superman?

heralds are below those and they can beat him.

Originally posted by olympian
Why you need those to bug in against a flea like Superman?

heralds are below those and they can beat him.
Superman is no flea.

Originally posted by whirlysplat

All these lose

Sorry, but they don't.

Warlock eats him.
Surfer eats him.
Champ eats him.
Cap marvel has beat him before, he has a chance.
Cap mar vell has a better chance than marvel.
Gladiator eats him.
Orion has already beaten a bloodlusted pre-crisis Superman.

So, yep. You're wrong.

"Superman is no flea"

He is to guys of Odin level.

Originally posted by olympian
"Superman is no flea"

He is to guys of Odin level.
Of course but flea makes him sound like shit

Im just talking about scale here.


How about " nothing more than an annoyance " ?

Darkseid

Thanos

Tyrant

Those are my choices for right now.

If his opponents are bloodlusted as well, it doesn't take high level cosmic power to take Supes down.

Darkseid is Superman's whipping boy.

A bloodlusted Surfer would moiderize Supes.

1)Tri Sentinel

2)SS can very well defeat superman.

3)Whats this about hulk hitting superman, just discard him.