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Plastic Man is, apparently, unbeatable by physical means....or is it that he hasn't encountered a being physical enough to take him?

Plastic Man

vs.

Hulk

Plasticman Wraps over Hulk and stops his breathing.

LOL you sonuva....I was making this as we speak...

I'd guess...Plastic man.

-ponders- HULKKILLERHUMANOID vs Plastic Man!

haha, you slow, you blow.

I can only see this going one way, Plastic man goes for the 'ol "stretchy guy wrap around the head" trick, Hulk tries to inhale him, learns the hard way that this isn't Reed when he passes out.

Plastic Man has actually gone inside people too...He could clog Hulk's breathing passages from the inside and Hulk wouldn't have anything to punch. PM wins.

-DM

Someone's going to come on and go, "hulk gets madder and beat xxxx", so he wins.

I just got the funniest sight in my head.
Plastic Man crawls inside of Hulk
Hulk being the genius he is decides the only way he can win now is by punching himself as hard as he can.

How long can Hulk hold his breath? Hours?

Originally posted by newjak86
I just got the funniest sight in my head.
Plastic Man crawls inside of Hulk
Hulk being the genius he is decides the only way he can win now is by punching himself as hard as he can.

In the gonads.

lollollol

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
How long can Hulk hold his breath? Hours?

Hulk has been confirmed not to need air.

Really I thought he did

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Hulk has been confirmed not to need air.

In that case, unless PM can keep Hulk absolutely imobilized (resulting in a stalemate), Hulk wins eventually.

Read my post he crawls inside Hulk and let's Hulk hit himself. Eventually Hulk gets so mad that he overcomes his own durability Kos himself.

Originally posted by newjak86
Read my post he crawls inside Hulk and let's Hulk hit himself. Eventually Hulk gets so mad that he overcomes his own durability Kos himself.

I know that Hulk isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, but do you really think he'd fall for that?

Yes he would say something like this
Hulk: Little stretchy man crawl inside of HUlk. Hulk hit self because Hulk to strong to hurt self but still hurt rubber man.
Hulk then punches himself into unconsciousness

Hulk grabs PM and jumps into space freezing PM. If that doesn't work, PM will probably burn up in the earth's atmosphere coming back down from space. Oh, Hulk is fast let's not forget about that. How fast can PM react? Exactly. PM will be dead before he knows it.



Hulk jumping into space, fighting in space, falling from space.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/jumping.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/hulk270-energy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/durability.gif

Plastic Man goes inside of him, but he'll get blown out..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/hulk-lungs.gif

Hulk wins.

that hulk suckin reed looks wrong...lol..but I think that hulk is not gonna go to space for his FIRST attack...or anything of the sort...PM wins

Originally posted by Blair Wind
that hulk suckin reed looks wrong...lol..but I think that hulk is not gonna go to space for his FIRST attack...or anything of the sort...PM wins

Prove it.

Originally posted by Sentry
Hulk wins.
No one else agrees

Nice to see a Post from Sentry rather than a thread

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Hulk is fast. Normally his running speed is subsonic, if you pi$$ him off he's quite a bit faster. He can hit Mach speeds. Wonder Man, who's reaction times are hundreds of times faster than normal humans, could not perceive Hulk's movements.

Oh, at the beginning of the fight Hulk Thunderclaps. Fight over.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/thunderclap1.jpg

Originally posted by Sentry
Hulk is fast. Normally his running speed is subsonic, if you pi$$ him off he's quite a bit faster. He can hit Mach speeds. Wonder Man, who's reaction times are hundreds of times faster than normal humans, could not perceive Hulk's movements.

Oh, at the beginning of the fight Hulk Thunderclaps. Fight over.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/thunderclap1.jpg

So what your saying is Wonderman is pretty rubbish then

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Hulk has a form of "super breath." You should see what he did to Reed using it. Hulk wins.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
So what your saying is Wonderman is pretty rubbish then

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...or that Hulk's much faster than you are willing to believe.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk has a form of "super breath." You should see what he did to Reed using it. Hulk wins.

Exactly.

Plastic Man is NOT Reed Richards.
His powers are FAR greater in scope than Reed's.
In JLA, Plastic Man survived for over a 1000 years
when he was atomized in the past.
They recovered all his parts and put him together....
he put himself back together and was fine (physically, not mentally).
His powers are more like Impossible Man than Mr. Fantastic.


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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
...or that Hulk's much faster than you are willing to believe.

No I know how fast he is, I remeber when he first showed his speed by catching the Beast His still pretty rubbish though

Originally posted by Zahit
Plastic Man is NOT Reed Richards.
His powers are FAR greater in scope than Reed's.
In JLA, Plastic Man survived for over a 1000 years
when he was atomized in the past.
They recovered all his parts and put him together....
he put himself back together and was fine (physically, not mentally).
His powers are more like Impossible Man than Mr. Fantastic.


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Assuming that Reed couldn't do the same. How would that ability aide him in winning this fight?

Originally posted by Zahit
Plastic Man is NOT Reed Richards.
His powers are FAR greater in scope than Reed's.
In JLA, Plastic Man survived for over a 1000 years
when he was atomized in the past.
They recovered all his parts and put him together....
he put himself back together and was fine (physically, not mentally).
His powers are more like Impossible Man than Mr. Fantastic.


Keep the faith

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Thanks man

Originally posted by whirlysplat
No I know how fast he is, I remeber when he first showed his speed by catching the Beast His still pretty rubbish though

How about Quicksilver?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Assuming that Reed couldn't do the same. How would that ability aide him in winnig this fight? When he decides to cross the pleural membrane enter Hulkes Dloodstream and clog his heart it might

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First off PM crawls down into Hulks Lungs what this means is that he isn't going to be getting any air into his lungs. Still even if he did and tried to blow PM out all the would happen is that only half of PM would come out in the form of a bubblt evetually Hulk stops blowing and PM goes back ing again reapeat three times.
Then Hulk gos back to hitting himself until he knocks himself out.

Originally posted by newjak86
First off PM crawls down into Hulks Lungs what this means is that he isn't going to be getting any air into his lungs. Still even if he did and tried to blow PM out all the would happen is that only half of PM would come out in the form of a bubblt evetually Hulk stops blowing and PM goes back ing again reapeat three times.
Then Hulk gos back to hitting himself until he knocks himself out.

Assuming that Hulk needs to breathe, or that he couldn't violently expel Plasticman.

Assumptions assumptions.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
When he decides to cross the pleural membrane enter Hulkes Dloodstream and clog his heart it might

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Strange, I've never seen him do that.

Hulk's insides can corrode adamantium. If Plasticman decides to go inside of Hulk, he's as good as dead.

I know he doesn't need to breath I'm just sayin hulk would try to blow him out but it would be to no avail. Thus Hulk being as smart as he is would just start hitting himself.

Hulk could sh!t him out. shit

There's isn't anything Hulk could do to hurt Plastic Man.
Plastic Man can get into Hulk's ears and tickle his brain.
Once again, his powers are FAR greater than Reed's.

HWFF.

Originally posted by newjak86
I know he doesn't need to breath I'm just sayin hulk would try to blow him out but it would be to no avail. Thus Hulk being as smart as he is would just start hitting himself.

Very imaginative. You get an A+.

First why would PM go to his stomach he would just rest in Hulks lungs.
Then like I said Hulk would just start laying punches into himself and PM would be safe.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Very imaginative. You get an A+.
Thank you.

Originally posted by Zahit
There's isn't anything Hulk could do to hurt Plastic Man.
Plastic Man can get into Hulk's ears and tickle his brain.
Once again, his powers are FAR greater than Reed's.

HWFF. Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk's insides can corrode adamantium. If Plasticman decides to go inside of Hulk, he's as good as dead.

Plasticman ain't doing nothin either.

Hwff.

Originally posted by newjak86
Thank you.

lol

He'll get blown out if he's in his lungs. Blown out his mouth or his nose or both.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Strange, I've never seen him do that.

Hulk's insides can corrode adamantium. If Plasticman decides to go inside of Hulk, he's as good as dead.

Funny I thought that was his stomach acid, not his blood stream

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Originally posted by newjak86
First why would PM go to his stomach he would just rest in Hulks lungs.
Then like I said Hulk would just start laying punches into himself and PM would be safe.
Not just his stomach. His body. Hulk's immune system is infallible.

Yes but his lungs can only hold so much air not enough to completely remove plastic man. He would simply come partially out as a huge bubble. Then when Hulk tried to take another breath to completely get PM out he would simply bring PM back in. Repeat about six more times. Then Hulk just starts hitting himself.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Funny I thought that was his stomach acid, not his blood stream

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Read above.

Even if that were the case, Hulk could simply swallow him.

Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but his lungs can only hold so much air not enough to completely remove plastic man. He would simply come partially out as a huge bubble. Then when Hulk tried to take another breath to completely get PM out he would simply bring PM back in. Repeat about six more times. Then Hulk just starts hitting himself.

Or starts chewing him.

That wouldn't hurt PM either

Well I've seen Hulk cut with things like Speed Demons Blades, I saw no corrosion

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Plastic Man inserts his !?!!#! into Hulk's ear and brain-f*?!s him!!!!

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Read above.

Even if that were the case, Hulk could simply swallow him.

How would he swalow him as he rapidly moves along the bloodstream and shuts down his heart

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Originally posted by Zahit
Plastic Man inserts his !?!!#! into Hulk's ear and brain-f*?!s him!!!!

So many ways for Plasticman to kill the Hulk

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Originally posted by whirlysplat
Well I've seen Hulk cut with things like Speed Demons Blades, I saw no corrosion

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I think you mean "Speedfreak". His blades are pure adamantium, which is totally inert. It can't be corroded.

Which fight did you read?

stalemate, I'd think

Originally posted by whirlysplat
How would he swalow him as he rapidly moves along the bloodstream and shuts down his heart

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If Hulk were a normal human, that would work. But, considering the fact that Hulk's blood would kill Plasticman in less than a second, that plan's a nix.

Originally posted by Sentry
Prove it.

physical trauma is physical trauma.

Originally posted by newjak86
That wouldn't hurt PM either

Now PM's physically invulnerable? Hulk's incisors would harm Plasticman.

No it's just he would strecth so his teeth wouldn't actually pentrate him it would be like a bit super chewing gum for him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Now PM's physically invulnerable? Hulk's incisors would harm Plasticman.

How's that, I'm curious.

Reed can't be cut by wolverine, and PM's leagues beyond reed.

Originally posted by newjak86
No it's just he would strecth so his teeth wouldn't actually pentrate him it would be like a bit super chewing gum for him.

...which would be painful, no? It's not necessary for Hulk to actually pierce him to hurt him.

Plasticman going inside of Hulk is a big no-no.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I think you mean "Speedfreak". His blades are pure adamantium, which is totally inert. It can't be corroded.

Which fight did you read?

Both the one where he was skinny and the one where he was bigger Thats right "Speed Demon" called himself "Speed Freak" in that costume And nothing is totally inert even metals like iridium will react with things like NaCLO solution at high temperature

Plasticmans body can take on hard properties of materials as well

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According to the way he's been written the last time he was in JLA,
yes, he's practically physically invulnerable!!!!!
Read that JLA storyline with Aquaman and Atlantis stuff.
They traveled to the past before Atlantis was destroyed.
Plastic Man got atomized.
His parts were spread all over the ocean floor.
The rest of the JLA made it back to the present.
Plastic Man didn't.
They got all his parts and molecules back together and he SURVIVED.
After 1,000's of years!!!!
He was rather mental and upset afterwards, but he survived.
That's freaking powerful!!!!!

It wouldn't hurt him it would be like him stretching which doesn't hurt him. He would be qiute safe inside Hulk.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
How's that, I'm curious.

Reed can't be cut by wolverine, and PM's leagues beyond reed.

When have they fought?

Regardless, Hulk's jaw muscle is the strongest muscle in his body. It could definitely apply enough pressure to hurt Plasticman.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
...which would be painful, no? It's not necessary for Hulk to actually pierce him to hurt him.

Plasticman going inside of Hulk is a big no-no.

No it probably wouldn't hurt him

It doesn't matter how strong his jaws are PM would just strecth into the shape of his teeth.

Originally posted by newjak86
It wouldn't hurt him it would be like him stretching which doesn't hurt him. He would be qiute safe inside Hulk.

Hulk's immune system would destroy Plastic Man if he goes inside of him.

Originally posted by Zahit
According to the way he's been written the last time he was in JLA,
yes, he's practically physically invulnerable!!!!!
Read that JLA storyline with Aquaman and Atlantis stuff.
They traveled to the past before Atlantis was destroyed.
Plastic Man got atomized.
His parts were spread all over the ocean floor.
The rest of the JLA made it back to the present.
Plastic Man didn't.
They got all his parts and molecules back together and he SURVIVED.
After 1,000's of years!!!!
He was rather mental and upset afterwards, but he survived.
That's freaking powerful!!!!!

So I've heard...

Hulk did something very similar. He was vaporised, except he was somehow able to pull his own atoms back together, Eternal style.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
When have they fought?

Regardless, Hulk's jaw muscle is the strongest muscle in his body. It could definitely apply enough pressure to hurt Plasticman.

Pardon me, what I mean is that Reed's molecular bonds are too strong for even adamantuim to slice and puncture.

I see it as a stalemate, trauma by physical means is trauma.

Thunderclap, I'm not so sure of.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk's immune system would destroy Plastic Man if he goes inside of him.



So I've heard...

Hulk did something very similar. He was vaporised, except he was somehow able to pull his own atoms back together, Eternal style.


Which is why I see neither winning, nor losing...

Originally posted by whirlysplat
No it probably wouldn't hurt him

Just how far/thin can Plasticman stretch?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Just how far/thin can Plasticman stretch?
Who knows???
It's definitely a lot farther than Reed can.
Plastic Man doesn't just stretch.
He can practically become anything he can imagine.
Just like Impossible Man.
Reed stretches.
Plastic Man is WAY beyond stretching.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Just how far/thin can Plasticman stretch?

To the atomic level.

On the immune system bit I don't see a Plastic man catheter being affected, your talkin apples and oranges

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Stalemate...

Why wasn't Tony Starks pacemaker, he made for the hulk around Iron Man 130 destroyed by the Hunlks imune sytem

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PM Shuts him down

PM wins....goes in through the eyes or ears and shuts the hulk down by spiking himself up and drilling holes in his brain.

Hulkie came back from a skeleton, but I don't know...

Couple of things:

1) Hulk does need to breathe. He spontaneously developed the capacity to breathe underwater, like a fish, but that doesn't mean he no longer needs air

2)I seriously doubt Hulk will corrode Plastic Man. Otherwise, he wouldn't have needed Apocalypse to get that shrapnel out of his head.

3)Not that I don't believe ya'll, but when did Hulk come back from a skeleton and when did he come back from atoms? I know Juggernaut came back from a skeletal state before (though I'm more inclined to believe it's metaphysical than physical, given where he was), but when did Hulk do it?

Originally posted by demigawd
Couple of things:

1) Hulk does need to breathe. He spontaneously developed the capacity to breathe underwater, like a fish, but that doesn't mean he no longer needs air

2)I seriously doubt Hulk will corrode Plastic Man. Otherwise, he wouldn't have needed Apocalypse to get that shrapnel out of his head.


Thanks for confirming that.

demi has spoken

hulk is so screwed

How screwed?

Jenna Jameson screwed?

Hulk is screwed

Ok...few things.

1. Hulk doesn't need to breathe??? Fine, though I didn't know about it

2. The "Hulk coming back from a skeleton" thing...someone posted the scan a month ago or so...so I've seen it confirmed, though I forget the Issue # and all. Though to me it wasn't clear that it was skeleton...it looked more like muscles and cartelidge and stuff...so he'd only need to regrow skin and random other stuff.

3. Zahit and a couple others are the only ones that seem to fully grasp PM's power. Jump into space?? PM slides through Hulk's grasp and melts into the ground until he can come up somewhere else. Hulk's insides corroding PM?? Stomach acid maybe, but PM isn't limited at all to where he can go within Hulk. The aforementioned "ear-jump into a brain-rape" would work well.

I realize some Hulk supporters would say that he'd survive even the brain-rape, and if they're right this fight is just one big stalemate. But I still say PM wins.

-DM

No, I said Hulk DOES need to breathe. He's now able to breathe underwater, that's all.

Ok...sorry demi....gotcha now. In that case, it might be one more way PM could win.

And when did he pull himself together from atoms?

But water, is like space, right? Can he breathe in space?

Water is NOT like space. Fish can't breathe in space, can they?

Originally posted by demigawd
Water is NOT like space. Fish can't breathe in space, can they?

My question is can HE? I've heard that he could, thats my dilemma.

Fish? I need to try that.

Breathing over and under water arent the same thing anyways, but if he can, than he can.

No, space is a lack of atmosphere...there's no oxygen to breathe like there is in water.

And the atoms thing? Someone else mentioned it (not me), and I've heard about it but never read it, but with all PM can do anyway (changing shape at will, becoming larger or smaller wherever he needs, stretching well beyond what Reed could ever imagine, etc.) I don't think it's terribly important.

Here's a thought...PM could put part of himself through the Hulk, going in one place and out another, and make himself into sort of a reverse pully where Hulk's energy works against him. He'll try and run at PM and get pulled back by his own energy....try and rip PM apart, and fail miserably since he stretches too much. PM can sing him lullabies, and eventually he'll revert back to Banner and PM can do whatever he wants then.

-DM

Damn...you've thought about this, haven't you?

Sadist.

lol.

Originally posted by demigawd
Damn...you've thought about this, haven't you?

Sadist.

lol.

Me??



There's just so many possibilities for Plastic Man...he's a fun hero to "think about" Hehe...

Did you know the Wachowski brothers wanted to make a PM movie...they had the script and everything....when no one wanted to produce it they made "The Matrix" instead. Fun stuff.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No, space is a lack of atmosphere...there's no oxygen to breathe like there is in water.

And the atoms thing? Someone else mentioned it (not me), and I've heard about it but never read it, but with all PM can do anyway (changing shape at will, becoming larger or smaller wherever he needs, stretching well beyond what Reed could ever imagine, etc.) I don't think it's terribly important.

Here's a thought...PM could put part of himself through the Hulk, going in one place and out another, and make himself into sort of a reverse pully where Hulk's energy works against him. He'll try and run at PM and get pulled back by his own energy....try and rip PM apart, and fail miserably since he stretches too much. PM can sing him lullabies, and eventually he'll revert back to Banner and PM can do whatever he wants then.

-DM

I understand that there's oxygen in space.

I'd just been hearing about hulk breathing in space, thats all.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Me??



There's just so many possibilities for Plastic Man...he's a fun hero to "think about" Hehe...

Did you know the Wachowski brothers wanted to make a PM movie...they had the script and everything....when no one wanted to produce it they made "The Matrix" instead. Fun stuff.

-DM

Seriously? That's too crazy. PM does have some skills to him, I'll admit. A little short on offense sometimes, but incredibly annoying opponent to debate against because...nothing...seems....to work.

Originally posted by demigawd
Seriously? That's too crazy. PM does have some skills to him, I'll admit. A little short on offense sometimes, but incredibly annoying opponent to debate against because...nothing...seems....to work.



Yeah, PM kicks ass like that. I've read at least 2 or 3 JLA comics where nothing is working and they just throw him into the battle like some 'secret weapon' (once against Polaris, once against Fernis, the evil side of Manhunter, one where something was controlling somone from the inside and he pulled it out of them, etc.)...he's useful like that.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007


Yeah, PM kicks ass like that. I've read at least 2 or 3 JLA comics where nothing is working and they just throw him into the battle like some 'secret weapon' (once against Polaris, once against Fernis, the evil side of Manhunter, one where something was controlling somone from the inside and he pulled it out of them, etc.)...he's useful like that.

-DM
He is indeed

I kinda liked offspring even more

So Hulk's thunderclap wouldn't work?

Thunderclap? It might keep PM away from him, but it wouldn't permanently take him out. In that scenario, it would just be a draw...the best Hulk could hope for in this fight.

But again, if PM can sneak up on Hulk through the ground itself if he wants or just make himself look like something inconspicuous, eventually he'll get close enough to brain-rape Hulk or do something else to him.

-DM

remeber that plas and his son are the two most versatile strechers there are. they can actually turn into stuff like shapeshifters while every body else like reed and, Elongated man just twirls around and junk. that being said plas crawls up hulks ass and turns into a giant spiked club. and spin around as fast as he can

Originally posted by demigawd
And when did he pull himself together from atoms?

Maestro did, after being vaporised by the Gamma Bomb.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Maestro did, after being vaporised by the Gamma Bomb.

Hmm excess Gamma Rad?

Originally posted by Zahit
Who knows???
It's definitely a lot farther than Reed can.
Plastic Man doesn't just stretch.
He can practically become anything he can imagine.
Just like Impossible Man.
Reed stretches.
Plastic Man is WAY beyond stretching.

Wow... Plastic Man is NOT equal to Impossible Man. Impossible Man is a very adept matter/energy manipulator. Plasticman is a low level shapeshifter/stetchy guy (for lack of a better word. ) No comparison.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Hmm excess Gamma Rad?

More like excessive force. Maestro is only slightly more durable than Prof. Hulk.

Originally posted by demigawd
No, I said Hulk DOES need to breathe. He's now able to breathe underwater, that's all.

Hulk was able to breath underwater in a Defernders issue because of Doc Strange's spell. He's been upgraded since then. He doesn't breath water. He can hold his breath indefinitely.

Why would "poking Hulk's brain" have considerable effect on him? Why would his brain be any more vulnerable than the rest of his flesh? Everyone seems to think that Hulk is just a green version of the Beast. This is a character who can survive planet rending attacks. A little respect?

Originally posted by manjaro
remeber that plas and his son are the two most versatile strechers there are. they can actually turn into stuff like shapeshifters while every body else like reed and, Elongated man just twirls around and junk. that being said plas crawls up hulks ass and turns into a giant spiked club. and spin around as fast as he can

That sounds really gay, but what would it do besides tickle Hulk, and get Plasticman really messy?

Originally posted by Sentry
Hulk grabs PM and jumps into space freezing PM. If that doesn't work, PM will probably burn up in the earth's atmosphere coming back down from space. Oh, Hulk is fast let's not forget about that. How fast can PM react? Exactly. PM will be dead before he knows it.




Hulk jumping into space, fighting in space, falling from space.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/jumping.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/hulk270-energy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/durability.gif

Plastic Man goes inside of him, but he'll get blown out..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/hulk-lungs.gif

God he can breathe in space!!!



Hulk jumps into space with PM all over him, PM freezes in the Sub Zero temperatures in space. For PM, it will get cold very fast, then Hulk will proceed to fall into the atmosphere burning PM up in the atmosphere.

What are those pictures of? Hulk jumping into space and Hulk falling from space. Can PM survive or not be rendered unconsious by the reentering the atmosphere? How much heat can he take? How much cold can he take?

PM would be inside of Hulk for that time Sentry...and there's places he could go that Hulk wouldn't be able to easily expel him.

Besides that, he'd just slip out of Hulk's grip if he tried to grab PM and jump. PM would never be making the trip to outer space in the first place. Short of energy attacks, it's next to impossible to take out PM, and PM has plenty of attack options (juries out on the breathing issue, but if Hulk needs to breathe PM could block it, the ear-jump to a brain-rape has also been mentioned multiple times). Maybe Hulk would survive these but then we're just looking at a stalemate. And a "tie" is the best Hulk could hope for here.

-DM

That only applies to being underwater - it's similar to gills, the perfluorocarbon has to be renewed, otherwise he'll consume it all, and there's no more oxygen in space, right? So the supply comes from the water itself. It's useless in space. So Hulk can't breathe in space, and he definitely can't live without air.

Originally posted by demigawd
That only applies to being underwater - it's similar to gills, the perfluorocarbon has to be renewed, otherwise he'll consume it all, and there's no more oxygen in space, right? So the supply comes from the water itself. It's useless in space. So Hulk can't breathe in space, and he definitely can't live without air.

It applies to space as well, demi. His body actually draws energy from an extradimensional source. He can live without food, air, or water indefinitely.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It applies to space as well, demi. His body actually draws energy from an extradimensional source. He can live without food, air, or water indefinitely.

That's what I'm trying to say.

It's strange... Why does everyone assume that simply because Plas is more powerful than Reed is, Hulk doing to Plas what he did to Reed is totally ruled out? It's not like Hulk was struggling with Reed, or almost failed. I mean, If Eel can't defeat Bane, what chance does he have of defeating Hulk?

Considering the fact that Hulk's insides are equally as durable as his exterior, how would Plasticman entering his body damage him?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It applies to space as well, demi. His body actually draws energy from an extradimensional source. He can live without food, air, or water indefinitely.

Untrue. He's not the Juggernaut. If what you're saying is true and he gets everything he needs from an "extradimensional source" (wtf??), then he wouldn't have needed to develop that little polyflurocarbon thingy in his lungs, would he? He developed it because he needs air, and he sometimes evolves in ways to adapt to his environment. So he developed a way to supply himself with oxygen, but he stills needs a source of oxygen to keep that lung gill filled. Water will supply it. Space will not. And don't tell me that it was something he's always had...it wasn't. He's suffocated and passed out from lack of air plenty of times.

He's been up in space many times in the past and not need to breathe as well. This fight will end quick. You think he'll pass out instantly as he hits space? No. It'll take hours, days even, before he even needs to breathe. As soon as he jumps into space with PM on him, PM will either freeze in space or burn in the atmosphere.



Now let's address the fact of PM going inside his body before Hulk jumps into space. If PM is fast enough, Yes Hulk has achieved supersonic speeds before, and can react fast enough(highly unlikely), it is a logical attack, but other than the mouth, nose, ears, and god forbid, his anus, there are no other ways of entry into the Hulk. What does that accomplish? He better be careful not to go into Hulk's stomach, he will probably melt in the Hulk's stomach acid. His accelerated healing factor will kick in, and Hulk's antibodies will expel PM from his body in a variety of different ways. Vomiting, sneezing, god forbid, diarrhea. Hulk's antibodies could very well kill or Incapacitate PM for Hulk. PM as powerful as Impossible Man??? Pfffttt..
He acts like him, but power wise, he's totally out of his league.

I never argued that Hulk couldn't jump into space, just as I never argued that it couldn't be used as a viable strategy to beat Plastic Man. I'm just stating a fact here to correct a misconception. Hulk needs to breathe. He holds his breath, like, whale long, but he still needs to breathe.

That said, it's not a viable strategy for beating Plastic Man. Hulk can reach space, but he can't reach orbit by jumping. If he did, he'd be stuck in space. He always comes down, which means he's never reached orbit, which means that he'd come right back down, which means Plastic Man would come right back down which means PM won't be cold enough long enough to freeze to the extent that he'd lose.

Might burn up on reentry, though.

He has reached orbit demi.

Here, he's jumping into and falling from orbit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/jumping.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/durability.gif

Plastic Man has never done well with heat. Burning up in reentry is very possible. Not for Hulk, but PM.

If he falls back down just like that, it's not orbit, because orbit, by definition, means he's, well, orbiting the earth. I'd chalk it up to artist error. He's in space, which I agree he can do, but he's not in orbit, unless the captions (which I can't read) say that he was actually orbiting for some length of time until he went into re-entry.

He could throw PM into space easily. That'll mess PM up.

Originally posted by Sentry
He could throw PM into space easily. That'll mess PM up.

Not even in your wildest dreams, PM could just increase his surface area so that he's not going anywhere. It's be like throwing a giant piece of floppy newspaper.

Swing him around then really fast. How bout Hulk cracking the ground and jumping into Lava with PM on him? Or Hulk could walk into some power wires and electrocute him if electrcity affects him. What can PM do to the Hulk to hurt him???? Suffocate him? Hulk will eventually find a way to get PM off him. Jump into a Volcano, Jump into electrical transformers, etc...

You're acting like Hulk would have more control over PM's shape than Pm would. That's ridiculous. Why don't I throw some water at you and then you can swing it around really fast and do all that other stuff you said.

The guys turns into a toilet bowl and flushes people down himself for goodness sake.

Plastic Man would slip out of Hulk's grip...no amount of strength is going to hold him. So PM isn't making the trip to space. Period.

I detailed an interesting pully system PM could make himself into a couple pages back, if Hulk needs to breathe PM can block that for as long as it takes (hours, days, etc.) to kncok Hulk out, and he could definitely get into his brain (which may or may not be just as durable) and turn himself spiky and annoying to mess with Hulk's brain (and he has reached his arm up into someone's brain before...this isn't a made-up strategy).

Banner needs to find a ray gun or soemthing....otherwise he's not touching PM. Maybe it ends it a stalemate, but there's no way Hulk wins this without PIS, luck, or outside help.

-DM

Look what Reed did to Thing in the FF movie. That gave me a different perspective on Reed and what he can do.

Plastic Man has a good chance against the Hulk.

I'm sure the Hulk could easily sneeze PM out, out into space.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Look what Reed did to Thing in the FF movie. That gave me a different perspective on Reed and what he can do.

Plastic Man has a good chance against the Hulk.

Actually, Hulk's the underdog in this fight. Most people believe Plas would deal with him rather easily.

Originally posted by demigawd
Untrue. He's not the Juggernaut. If what you're saying is true and he gets everything he needs from an "extradimensional source" (wtf??), then he wouldn't have needed to develop that little polyflurocarbon thingy in his lungs, would he? He developed it because he needs air, and he sometimes evolves in ways to adapt to his environment. So he developed a way to supply himself with oxygen, but he stills needs a source of oxygen to keep that lung gill filled. Water will supply it. Space will not. And don't tell me that it was something he's always had...it wasn't. He's suffocated and passed out from lack of air plenty of times.

Hulk's power and sustenance comes from an extra-dimensional source. It's been established over and over again. Would you like proof?

Stop assuming so much, demi. Per fluorocarbon emulsion has nothing to do with the presence of water, or a lack thereof. Perflurocarbon emulsion involves a gas that is not present in water, but in the upper atmosphere. It's nothing like the process of that occurs in a fish's gills. Fish pull oxygen from the water the same way we pull oxygen from the air, except they do so more efficiently. There is no chemical reaction taking place, until the oxygen is metabolized.

It was speculated that Hulk possessed such a gland. However, it has been established that Hulk draws power from an extra-dimensional source. Speculation or fact? Do I have to ask which is more tentative?

Inform me. When has Hulk passed out from a lack of oxygen?

Originally posted by demigawd
If he falls back down just like that, it's not orbit, because orbit, by definition, means he's, well, orbiting the earth. I'd chalk it up to artist error. He's in space, which I agree he can do, but he's not in orbit, unless the captions (which I can't read) say that he was actually orbiting for some length of time until he went into re-entry.

He is in orbit. In order to stay in orbit, he would have to maintain orbital velocity, which he cannot do, because he can't fly. My goodness, demi.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You're acting like Hulk would have more control over PM's shape than Pm would. That's ridiculous. Why don't I throw some water at you and then you can swing it around really fast and do all that other stuff you said.

The guys turns into a toilet bowl and flushes people down himself for goodness sake.

That sort of stuff happens to Plasticman all the time. I think we're overestimating his ability to stretch by just a tad. He's stretchy, but he isn't a liquid. It certainly is not impossible to grab him.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Plastic Man would slip out of Hulk's grip...no amount of strength is going to hold him. So PM isn't making the trip to space. Period.

I detailed an interesting pully system PM could make himself into a couple pages back, if Hulk needs to breathe PM can block that for as long as it takes (hours, days, etc.) to kncok Hulk out, and he could definitely get into his brain (which may or may not be just as durable) and turn himself spiky and annoying to mess with Hulk's brain (and he has reached his arm up into someone's brain before...this isn't a made-up strategy).

Banner needs to find a ray gun or soemthing....otherwise he's not touching PM. Maybe it ends it a stalemate, but there's no way Hulk wins this without PIS, luck, or outside help.

-DM

It is not impossible to grab Plasticman. Ultraman, Bane, The Shaggy Man, and Johnny Quick (antimatter Flash) all succeeded in grabbing Plas, and throwing him. It is far from impossible.

Has Plasticman ever tried 'brain tickling' anyone with Superman level durability?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube


Inform me. When has Hulk passed out from a lack of oxygen?

Sorry Cosmic but does this count.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Sorry Cosmic but does this count.

Sleeping gas is Hulk's kryptonite. It has knocked him out several times.

As for Batman knocking the wind out of him?

Is PM a liquid? No, but anyone who can fashion himself into a wall-lamp to spy on Wonder Woman (hehe) is closer to liquid than nearly any solid.

If anyone has thrown him (though I don't remember specific incidences) it's more than likely PIS. Why wouldn't he just form a hole in himself where they try to grab him? Or morph to a bee so he's too small to grab? Or simply stretch around the person involved like Reed does to Ben in the FF movie (movie example, I know, but it's well within PM's ability to do so)?? He has too many options.

And I've seen PM's arms alone stretched well over 100M (probably more, but the comics don't provide measurements). Hulk trying to do anything lasting to PM would only result in frustration.

And the person he "brain-tickled"...if I'm not mistaken it was some Greek monsters of myth that were to emerge at the end of the world. They had been "set off" prematurely and PM removed a device from one of their brains. Not sure if they would have punked the JLA otherwise, but it wasn't an "average joe" that he did it to.

And if sleeping gas is Hulk's kryptonite as you say it would imply that he breathes it in. I always thought Hulk was gamma radiation into strength...this extradimensional stuff sounds wicked stupid, though if its true it might just mean a stalemate.

I still like my pully system. The kind where energy is reversed (like if you're pushing it weaves around and magnifies it into pulling energy to pull something else). Plastic Man weaves himself through the Hulk and makes himself into a pully where Hulk trying to get to PM would just pull him backwards (hell, PM could just dangle him in the air and he'd be similarly helpless). Trying to stretch PM until he breaks or throwing chunks of ground wouldn't work, and a few hours and many lullaby songs later and Hulk would revert to Banner. All this could happen well before Hulk even thinks "Oh crap. Maybe I should try to jump into space or do something else clever that probably won't work anyway." Batman himself said it..."Plastic Man is inspiration made form." If it's creativity we're looking for, "Hulk Smash" won't get it done.

-DM

Plasticman cannot make a hole in himself. He can shape himself into any contiguous shape (Wonder Woman, a can of bug spray, a snake, a roller coaster, etc.) Size reduction isn't an option. He can reduce his density, but he can't increase it. This is Plasticman, not the Atom.

I'm curious as to how would Plasticman wrapping himself around Hulk impede Hulk?

Hulk may be an imbecile, but he's battle savvy. If he finds that there's no way to defeat Plasticman physically, he'll take another route.

An extradimensional source is the only pliable explaination Marvel could use. How would gamma radiation alone instantly induce a mass increase of over 800 pounds?

If the inside of Hulk's body is enough destroy anything less than an needle laced with an admantium membrane, what hope does Plasticman have of surviving in Hulk's innards?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If the inside of Hulk's body is enough destroy anything less than an needle laced with an admantium membrane, what hope does Plasticman have of surviving in Hulk's innards?
Why didn't the pace make the Hulk had put in by Stark dissolve then?

Cause it didn't

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

She-Hulk's hot as hell in that pic.

Anyway, back to the debate. Can't make a hole in himself?? How is that any different than separating parts of himself from where they'd normally be in relation to one another to form himself into a different object?? He does much more complex things than make holes in himself...this isn't a (excuse the pun) stretch of his powers. In any case, I detailed other ways he coudl avoid being thrown (an action which wouldn't defeat him anyway, just throw him away for a bit).

Just wrapping around Hulk wouldn't do much but I still like my pully system (or just dangling him from the ground so that he has no leverage). And Plastic Man can also survive indefinately without food or water, so waiting for him to revert back to Banner wouldn't be a problem.

And sure, Hulk would try new things, but aside from some sort of energy projection there isn't much he could do.

And is there antibodies in the nose-into-brain?? If so, maybe that method is shot for PM, but antibodies are generally in the bloodstream. PM could avoid the stomach/blood/etc.

Honestly, it's looking more and more like a stalemate to me, but I have yet to see how Hulk could win, when I still see at least two ways for PM to pull it out.

-DM

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Why didn't the pace make the Hulk had put in by Stark dissolve then?

Cause it didn't

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Inconsistency, perhaps? When did it happen?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
She-Hulk's hot as hell in that pic.

Anyway, back to the debate. Can't make a hole in himself?? How is that any different than separating parts of himself from where they'd normally be in relation to one another to form himself into a different object?? He does much more complex things than make holes in himself...this isn't a (excuse the pun) stretch of his powers. In any case, I detailed other ways he coudl avoid being thrown (an action which wouldn't defeat him anyway, just throw him away for a bit).

Just wrapping around Hulk wouldn't do much but I still like my pully system (or just dangling him from the ground so that he has no leverage). And Plastic Man can also survive indefinately without food or water, so waiting for him to revert back to Banner wouldn't be a problem.

And sure, Hulk would try new things, but aside from some sort of energy projection there isn't much he could do.

And is there antibodies in the nose-into-brain?? If so, maybe that method is shot for PM, but antibodies are generally in the bloodstream. PM could avoid the stomach/blood/etc.

Honestly, it's looking more and more like a stalemate to me, but I have yet to see how Hulk could win, when I still see at least two ways for PM to pull it out.

-DM

He can form himself into complex, contiguous shape. He can't turn himself into a peice of block of swiss cheese. He can make himself into a donut by curling himself into a circle, but he can't simply open a hole in himself.

Antibodies are present throughout the entire body, especially near the brain.

I don't really think Hulk can win without using some sort of device, or jumping into a pool of magma, etc. Punching Plas isn't going to work, that's for sure.

If Plas can't do any better than stalemate Bane, how would he defeat Hulk?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube


If Plas can't do any better than stalemate Bane, how would he defeat Hulk?

PM stalemated Bane?

Isn't Bane quite a bit weaker and less durable than the Hulk?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Inconsistency, perhaps? When did it happen?

Iron Man 131, 132, 133 the pace maker stayed in the better part of three issues.

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Iron Man beat Hulk by siphoning his energy, weakening him.

I'm sure this was no normal pacemaker. It was created by Iron Man for christ's sake. How do you figure Plasticman is as durable as Iron Man's device, or is as resistant to corrosion as any metal?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk's power and sustenance comes from an extra-dimensional source. It's been established over and over again. Would you like proof?


Yes, actually.



I'm afraid you're misunderstanding the entire process, Cosmic. While it's true that perflurocarbon emulsions are made of a greenhouse gas (PFCs), it still needs a supply of oxygen, otherwise it's totally ineffective. In fact, it's so ineffective without a supply of oxygen that it would result in hypoxia without it. Research has shown that ventilating it in a oxygenated liquid (like, say, WATER) helps in a process called PLV - partial liquid ventilation. It allows him to build up oxygen in his lungs, but the emulsion would allow him to convert water into oxygen. THAT'S why it works underwater. THAT'S why it would not work in space. And THAT'S why PAD phrased it as such.



Peter Allen David, the premier WRITER of Hulk for YEARS, wouldn't need to speculate on any of that if it were "already established" that Hulk gets everything from extradimensional sources, now would he? You don't see people speculating on why Juggernaut doesn't need to breathe, right? No. Why? Because the gem protects him. You do read speculation on why Hulk can now breath underwater. Why? Because he hadn't been able to in the past.

So which is more tentative? I'd say this whole "extradimensional source" jargon you're spewing.



I'll give ya four, because I'm so nice:

1. #470 - Hulk passes out from lack of oxygen
2. Black Bolt fights Hulk, tosses him into a volcano, where Hulk passes out from lack of oxygen in the area
3. Hulk #165. Hulk sits on the ocean floor, but wonders how he's going to live once he runs out of breath. Captain Omen is then nice enough to drop a oxygen helmet down for Hulk, in exchange for Hulk agreeing to help him.
4. Marvel Spotlight #5 - Ghost Rider beats Hulk by surrounding the Hulk with a fire aura, burning the oxygen around him and causing him to suffocate.

There are more, but this will get you started.



That's why I was asking whether or not he was there for any length of time, if you're up and down, then you've never hit orbit, you've just hit the upper atmosphere. If you've hit orbit, then you're following earth's orbit and going back down like water through a drain. The graphic is inconsistent in its depiction.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Iron Man beat Hulk by siphoning his energy, weakening him.

I'm sure this was no normal pacemaker. It was created by Iron Man for christ's sake. How do you figure Plasticman is as durable as Iron Man's device, or is as resistant to corrosion as any metal?
No your getting your issues very confused CC
Banner came to Stark asking if he would help cure him.
Tony and Bruce thought if they could keep Bruce's pulse down it would stop him changing. The Pacemaker was put in Bruce but his G radiation caused it to make his heart beat faster. He was in a permanently enraged state caused by the pacemaker. Tony believes he would never calm down and puts all his strength into one punch. Knocking Hulk out.

Keep the faith

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Originally posted by demigawd
It allows him to build up oxygen in his lungs, but the emulsion would allow him to convert water into oxygen. THAT'S why it works underwater. THAT'S why it would not work in space. And THAT'S why PAD phrased it as such.
Then why has it worked in space, demi? If Hulk has had this ability all along, why would he need an oxygen mask? The whole perflurocarbon emulsification process is a poor explanation. The answer is simple. Inconsistency. Hulk is just as inconsistent as any other superhero. It tends to happen when multiple writers are involved. It has been explicitly stated and shown that Superman needs to breath. Then, he goes on to live in the sun for thousands of years. Explanation? Inconsistency.

I know exactly what perfluorocarbon emulsion does. It merely improves oxygen absorption, which would allow Hulk to breath underwater. Water is not a necessary agent. I don't want to make this a biology debate. Is there any explanation why Hulk has been able to 'breath' in space?
Originally posted by demigawd
Peter Allen David, the premier WRITER of Hulk for YEARS, wouldn't need to speculate on any of that if it were "already established" that Hulk gets everything from extradimensional sources, now would he? You don't see people speculating on why Juggernaut doesn't need to breathe, right? No. Why? Because the gem protects him. You do read speculation on why Hulk can now breath underwater. Why? Because he hadn't been able to in the past.

Peter David has not been the Hulk's only writer for years, so inconsistency is bound to occur. Hulk has been 'breathing' underwater and in space since Tales to Astonish. It's nothing new. He has, however, been very inconsistent with this ability. That doesn't mean that he didn't possess it.

Hulk's energy source is extradimensional.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Then why has it worked in space, demi? If Hulk has had this ability all along, why would he need an oxygen mask? The whole perflurocarbon emulsification process is a poor explanation. The answer is simple. Inconsistency. Hulk is just as inconsistent as any other superhero. It tends to happen when multiple writers are involved. It has been explicitly stated and shown that Superman needs to breath. Then, he goes on to live in the sun for thousands of years. Explanation? Inconsistency.

I know exactly what perfluorocarbon emulsion does. It merely improves oxygen absorption, which would allow Hulk to breath underwater. Water is not a necessary agent. I don't want to make this a biology debate. Is there any explanation why Hulk has been able to 'breath' in space?


Peter David has not been the Hulk's only writer for years, so inconsistency is bound to occur. Hulk has been 'breathing' underwater and in space since Tales to Astonish. It's nothing new. He has, however, been very inconsistent with this ability. That doesn't mean that he didn't possess it.

Whats wrong with you CC no rebuttle to my post

Maybe I missed it somewhere but can some answer a question for me cause I dont read Hulk anymore.

Does he need to breathe or not?

In case you can't make out the text...

Surfer: How interesting. Now that I have a chance to study the quantum-flux around you at close range, the phenomenon grows more baffling. The energy that you are generating appears to have a quality that is almost inter-dimensional.

That's just one instance. It isn't jargon simply because you were unaware of it.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
No your getting your issues very confused CC
Banner came to Stark asking if he would help cure him.
Tony and Bruce thought if they could keep Bruce's pulse down it would stop him changing. The Pacemaker was put in Bruce but his G radiation caused it to make his heart beat faster. He was in a permanently enraged state caused by the pacemaker. Tony believes he would never calm down and puts all his strength into one punch. Knocking Hulk out.

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Know Comics

In Iron Man #131. Iron Man was trying to help Bruce cure himself by implanting a device in him that kept his brain from releasing the chemicals that trigger the change. It wasn't a pacemaker at all.

I would have to read 132 and 133. I've only seen a few scans. Do you have any?

He dont seem to be breathing too well in this pic.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Maybe I missed it somewhere but can some answer a question for me cause I dont read Hulk anymore.

Does he need to breathe or not?

It's in question right now.

Apparently, it depends on the writer.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He dont seem to be breathing too well in this pic.

He's doing fine here.