X-23 Vs Wolverine

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Cathy X-23
I think she is much better than Wolverine,she is way faster,and everything, but not as much experience, but what do I know.

Logan 87
Dont make me laugh. Wolverine will gut her.

Cathy X-23
again, I think shes much better than Wolverine. Faster, more claws.

Logan 87
Don't be stupid. Wolverine has Claws and a healing Factor. He wins with ease.

stormfront13
yeah, so does X and she has more claws and a better healing factor

Logan 87
Wolverine is the original and has more experience.

CorderaMitchell
Originally posted by Logan 87
Don't be stupid. Wolverine has Claws and a healing Factor. He wins with ease.

See how stupid you sound.

"wolverine has claws and healing factor"

she does TOO, thats your only argument.

Max Spidey 24
lol

jinzin
here's the thing...sabretooth has claws a better healing factor is stronger faster and more experienced...yet wolverine has put up some great fights against him.....i think given wolverine's experience he'll take this one...have we seen how x-23 reacts to mortal wounds yet? does she just brush them off like nothing like her old man? or not?

CorderaMitchell
I would think the more experienced woud win...

Max Spidey 24
To tell you the truth, i hate characters, that copy another. It's like they can't think of anything new.

List of crap
Alot ofRobins
Alot of Batgirls
Alot of X23s
this one got to me, Venom Girl
Spider girls...to much
arena or w/e
man oh man, there's to much. I know I'm missing some.
oh yeah, kid flash, superboy,supergirl,powergirl, super pets....slade daughter....whats next

Tron
I hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but most of y'all are wrong. For one, they both have the same amount of claws. The difference though, is that she's packing one in each foot, which makes her attacks more dangerous than Logan's. Also, she's been raised and bred to be an assassin, a damn good one too, and that's all she knows. She may not have Logan's many years of experience, but she has plenty nonetheless. And, this has already happened in Uncanny #451, and she WON, after slicing off his face with the claws on her feet. My suggestion folks, try to learn a little something about the character before you say they lose horribly.wink

long pig
Only her claws are Adamantium, her bones are normal.

She'd do well, but she'd be decapitated easily.

srankmissingnin
She downed Wolverine for a few seconds after she surpised him... not much to talk about here. Next time they met (next issue) she tried to attack Wolverine and he causualy stopped the attack over powered her... and went on to say he was a) stonger b) faster c) more experience and d) had a better healing factor

Metalmanx
It would be an interesting fight. Much better than Sabretooth vs. Wolverine really.

But Wolverine's experience and just plain uh...Canadian-ness would give him the win here. Though he would get messed up pretty nasty-like.

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by Tron
I hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but most of y'all are wrong. For one, they both have the same amount of claws. The difference though, is that she's packing one in each foot, which makes her attacks more dangerous than Logan's. Also, she's been raised and bred to be an assassin, a damn good one too, and that's all she knows. She may not have Logan's many years of experience, but she has plenty nonetheless. And, this has already happened in Uncanny #451, and she WON, after slicing off his face with the claws on her feet. My suggestion folks, try to learn a little something about the character before you say they lose horribly.wink


See, she is trained, and is able to beat Wolverine

Mainstream
Aright let me throw so info at ya....Wolverine win..cuz he got mo skill and mo savage...no peep this...little shorty gots skills and someday she might can take out Logan..but as of now...hell nall...wickedph

Cathy X-23
She makes a better Wolverine, than Wolverine.

ScarletSpider
Nice sig, Cathy. Remember that time Franklin only used his friendship with Beaver to play dam busters? I think we all learned some valuable moral lessons from that episode.

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Nice sig, Cathy. Remember that time Franklin only used his friendship with Beaver to play dam busters? I think we all learned some valuable moral lessons from that episode.

I love that Episode eek!

Cathy X-23
Wolverine winning.

Cathy X-23
Oh sorry, wrong pic. This is the one with Wolverine winning

brainchild81
Originally posted by Cathy X-23
She makes a better Wolverine, than Wolverine. She's easier on the eyes than Logan, but I think Logan'd beat her. She wouldn't be a pushover, but she'd lose IMO. If there hasn't been a X-23 vs Batgirl thread, you should make one. I don't know much about X-23 aside from her X-Men:Evolution appearance. I miss that show.

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by brainchild81
She's easier on the eyes than Logan, but I think Logan'd beat her. She wouldn't be a pushover, but she'd lose IMO. If there hasn't been a X-23 vs Batgirl thread, you should make one. I don't know much about X-23 aside from her X-Men:Evolution appearance. I miss that show.


I was about to make one eek! Did you not see the 2 pics I posted confused

Creshosk
Originally posted by Cathy X-23
I was about to make one eek! Did you not see the 2 pics I posted confused

http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_10.jpg

So she sucker punched him?


http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_07.jpg
http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_08.jpg
http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_09.jpg

Wanderer259
I was in the middle of posting that, Cresh. Damn you.

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by Creshosk
http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_10.jpg

So she sucker punched him?


http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_07.jpg
http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_08.jpg
http://www.x-23.org/gallery/comics/uncanny_xmen_450/uncanny450_x23_09.jpg

I was hoping, no one new about the rest of it....Thanks alot CRESH, now I have to find the other fights they have...like this one remember. sad

thezenbrawler
does wolverine still go into a fit of rage evry now and then? cause it doesnt look like he did it there

Cathy X-23
X-23 is just to much for Wolverine.

thezenbrawler
but did he get his fit under control, i think he did, because hiis berserker rage is what made him especially dagerous back in the day

Cathy X-23
I didnt think he wanted to fight, but the point is she knocked him out, so she is able to do that. The fought another tme too, but she had the upper hand.

jinzin
okay....explain.

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by jinzin
okay....explain.


She is an assassin, they said she is faster and has above peak human senses. She is quicker than Wolverine. The only thing that she doesn't have of Wolverine is his experience, since he lived longer.



Even though Wolverine didn't want to fight back to much, she was still able to knock him out. It takes a lot to knock out wolverine, but she did it.

thezenbrawler
didnt look like he was trying to beat her, he was just defending the whole time, lets change the nature of the question. if wolverine and 23 fought AGAIN, who would win

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by thezenbrawler
didnt look like he was trying to beat her, he was just defending the whole time, lets change the nature of the question. if wolverine and 23 fought AGAIN, who would win

I said even though he was not trying to fight back, she still knocked him out, so she is capable to do it. Wolverine Tried to block her but couldn't just defend.

jinzin
okay a few things first....


it has been stated that she is faster? okay...can you please clarify who stated this and where it was stated with a reference? sorry but "they" just doesn't cut it for me.

second off...wolverine's an assassin as well...being an assassin does not ensure victory....wolverine's also an army vet, a marine, a black ops specialist, and top ranking member of the weapon x program..this implies him to have way more training.

thirdly, wolverine's senses are said to be keener than any animal, how do her enhances senses which haven't even been proven to be by any means better than logans ensure her victory here?

and last, wolverine wasn't KOed in that book from what I can remember...he was momentarily slowed down....he quickly got back up and took off after her when she bolted...the pic you keep posting is nothing more than cover art for the book itself...a rather weak argument all things considered....


okay.......continue.

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by jinzin
okay a few things first....


it has been stated that she is faster? okay...can you please clarify who stated this and where it was stated with a reference? sorry but "they" just doesn't cut it for me.

second off...wolverine's an assassin as well...being an assassin does not ensure victory....wolverine's also an army vet, a marine, a black ops specialist, and top ranking member of the weapon x program..this implies him to have way more training.

thirdly, wolverine's senses are said to be keener than any animal, how do her enhances senses which haven't even been proven to be by any means better than logans ensure her victory here?

and last, wolverine wasn't KOed in that book from what I can remember...he was momentarily slowed down....he quickly got back up and took off after her when she bolted...the pic you keep posting is nothing more than cover art for the book itself...a rather weak argument all things considered....


okay.......continue.


jawdrop


I can not defend all of that, but her senses are better than wolverine. Its in her profile,. She is like his clone, and is suppose to be better than the original but just lacks his experience and age.


Well you sound like you know what you are talking about, so I believe you.

thezenbrawler
he wasnt going to win that fight, wasnt trying to win that fight, didnt even go in with intention to hit back.she was going to land a hit eventually. thats like fighting a robot that blocks all day, youll get a hit in eventually, but try to fight that robot when its fighting back, and you may get hurt. bad example, lets just put it this way, picture a fight you have ever benn in, better yet, if youve ever personally lost a fight, use that instead. now if the person wasnt fighting back, you couldve landed hits and won, now matter how well that person was blocking, does that make you the better fighter, no, what really happened is the person fought back and you lost.even if you never lost a fight, if youve ever fought, wouldnt the fight be much easier if the other person was juat taking it and trying to block, youd win even if it took anhour. there is literally no possible way you could lose, the persons not fighting back, unless you accidentally hit yourself, ok cathy

thezenbrawler
oh and jinzin, you forgot that hes a former samurai, just a reminder

jinzin
Originally posted by thezenbrawler
oh and jinzin, you forgot that hes a former samurai, just a reminder

yes I forgot to mention his application of samurai knowledge, also he is a student of the ogun ryu dojo...his teacher OGUN emphasised on lessons that went above and beyond the scope of human capabilities, which would explain why wolveirne can preform feats far exceeding the scope of your so called peak human.

his training with the x-men in the danger rom is also of note as the various lassons he's learned in there allow him to negotiate threats of all scopes with AND without his powers...

thezenbrawler
nice job

thezenbrawler
thats what i like about you jinzin , you dont post what if"s, you provide hardcore in your face evidence

jinzin
thanks man.... the spidey fans certainly don't like it so all I ever hear is Jinzin sucks....lol....
gald to see SOMEBODY appreciates my style...

srankmissingnin
I think these scans will clear a few things up

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2411/uncannyxmen45100838xx.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/508/uncannyxmen45100916vs.jpg

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think these scans will clear a few things up
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2411/uncannyxmen45100838xx.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/508/uncannyxmen45100916vs.jpg
What are they meant to clear up? And how do they do so? confused

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What are they meant to clear up? And how do they do so? confused

...that X-23 isn't in Wolverine's league

xmarksthespot
Well the first one shows Storm plucking her up with winds, and Rachel getting in her head... am I missing something? confused
Second one he says he's faster, and says they could fight each other but it would be futile because they can both heal. Shows that he's fighting to defend himself but he doesn't want to hurt her.

Wolverine likely wins but it isn't easy. I don't see her as a pushover.

Creshosk
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well the first one shows Storm plucking her up with winds, and Rachel getting in her head... am I missing something? confused
Second one he says he's faster, and says they could fight each other but it would be futile because they can both heal. Shows that he's fighting to defend himself but he doesn't want to hurt her.

Wolverine likely wins but it isn't easy. I don't see her as a pushover. I've been reading around and appearently only her claws are adamantium, the rest of her bones aren't.

xmarksthespot
I've yet to see the claim that only her claws are adamantium be substantiated. I recall Kitty phasing through her body and becoming disorientated (stupid illogical adamantium weakness!).

Creshosk
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I've yet to see the claim that only her claws are adamantium be substantiated. I recall Kitty phasing through her body and becoming disorientated (stupid illogical adamantium weakness!).

Originally posted by long pig
Only her claws are Adamantium, her bones are normal.

She'd do well, but she'd be decapitated easily.

Also compare:

http://uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1937
http://uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1160

xmarksthespot
It does make sense to me that she shouldn't have an adamantium laced skeleton - since as she's only a teenager her bones are still growing - but like I said I've only seen evidence to the contrary.
EDIT: Oops double posted.

xmarksthespot
It does make sense to me that she shouldn't have an adamantium laced skeleton - since as she's only a teenager her bones are still growing - but like I said I've only seen evidence to the contrary.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/anticryste/x-23.jpg

Creshosk
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It does make sense to me that she shouldn't have an adamantium laced skeleton - since as she's only a teenager her bones are still growing - but like I said I've only seen evidence to the contrary.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/anticryste/x-23.jpg Did she phase through her claws?

In the feet and in the hands?

xmarksthespot
Ambiguous, they fall through each other. However Kitty would have felt what she phased through and she says bones (implying skeleton).

Creshosk
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ambiguous, they fall through each other. However Kitty would have felt what she phased through and she says bones (implying skeleton). But if she passed through the claws and that's what disoriented her, Kitty might assume that all of her bones are adamantium since wolverine is, and that's really the closest thing she has to base it off of.

But her profile says adamantium claws.
Wolverine's says adamantium skeleton and claws.

CorderaMitchell
Originally posted by jinzin
thanks man.... the spidey fans certainly don't like it so all I ever hear is Jinzin sucks....lol....
gald to see SOMEBODY appreciates my style...

I appreciate it on non spidey threads, or threads without wolvie or sabretooth.

wolverine does win though, he is more experienced...

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I appreciate it on non spidey threads, or threads without wolvie or sabretooth.

wolverine does win though, he is more experienced...

That doesn't matter.

He is more experienced, than the marvel universe.

CorderaMitchell
Originally posted by Cathy X-23
That doesn't matter.

He is more experienced, than the marvel universe.

No, I don't know about that.

To be fair, people overrate this "experience", it depends on the plot, usually wolvie is mad and brawls, but is tactical if it is a serious mission.

Strength and such just won't "cut" it here, she could win, but not as many.

Wolverine can think faster, and stay ahead better etc.

How do you think X-23 would win?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well the first one shows Storm plucking her up with winds, and Rachel getting in her head... am I missing something? confused
Second one he says he's faster, and says they could fight each other but it would be futile because they can both heal. Shows that he's fighting to defend himself but he doesn't want to hurt her.

Wolverine likely wins but it isn't easy. I don't see her as a pushover.

In the first Wolverine tells her that she isn't in his league and in the second he proves it when she leaps at him for the an attacks and he casually stops her... with one arm... well sitting down. Then he goes on to tell her again that he is better then she is.

Creshosk
Zander removed her hand and foot claws sharpened and adamantium coated them and then put them back in.

King KAM
If we are going to use COMICS as the backbone for why 23 would win, then she has already lost, because wolverine is the KING of losing the battles but winning the war.....its just what he does..look at him and Sabretooth, their first 3 fights Sabre had the upper-hand...too bad he hasnt one a fight with the Crazy Canadian since.....

jinzin
ummmm that's not accurate at all..sabretooth regularly makes a joke out of wolverine...wolverine's won by luck, cheating, or because sabretooth let him.....

King KAM
In a true one on one battle to the death wolverine is gonna win, better H2H and hes stronger

jinzin
stronger? you're kiddding me? wolverine's barely above peak human strength...sabretooth's displayed a considerable amount of super strength.....

in a true battle who knows...wolverine only has a chance cause creeds gives it to him..wolverine to my recollection hasn't won once without resorting to chating or otherwse except for in wolverine 145, and in x-men 127 or whatever issue that was (and they didn't even show the fight) 1on1 sabes takes the majority...

srankmissingnin
The only two fights that Wolverine has beaten Sabretooth in one on one in a fair fight... were off panel.

jinzin
what was the other one?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by jinzin
what was the other one?

Uncanny 400 and something, the story arc where Black Tom was causing alot a havok then Juggy got sucked into the black whole (or what ever it was). Northstar took Sabretooth away from the fight and left him in some foresty area, later Wolverine showed up and said he was going to end it for good, and he was the one who back back.

jinzin
that was in x-men 134 i believe or around there....

if that's the case what's the other one you were reffering to?

srankmissingnin
The battle to decided the next Horseman of Death...

jinzin
that was definitely ON panal...... I'm about to post the pics in a day or so...in the wolvie respek thread ...

jinzin
oh actually there's one more...when sabretooth killed silver fox the second time and wolvie went berserk ripping out his torso....not much of a fight though....

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by jinzin
that was definitely ON panal...... I'm about to post the pics in a day or so...in the wolvie respek thread ...

Really?! I only remember Sabretooth saying *cry* "Let me have it, I'm better then he is" *cry* and Apoc saying "No, your good... but he is the best there is at what he does"

jinzin
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Really?! I only remember Sabretooth saying *cry* "Let me have it, I'm better then he is" *cry* and Apoc saying "No, your good... but he is the best there is at what he does"


well I'll post it soon enough....

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by jinzin
well I'll post it soon enough....

Well... I most have forgot about the figth because the one between him and the Hulk overshadows it

jinzin
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Well... I most have forgot about the figth because the one between him and the Hulk overshadows it


quite understandible....

Tron
Ummmmm, are we forgetting the current topic?no expression

jinzin
noooo .......neverrrrrrrrr...... shifty

Creshosk
I really hope to see more of X-23 and Wolverine together, but not in either a fighting manner nor anything romantic. . . that's just kinda wrong. . .

I wonder if we have enough wolvie clones to make a wolvie team. . .

Wolvie was number 10. . . I wonder who the other weapons are. . .

Wanderer259
Yeah, it would be, considering she's his female clone.

Creshosk
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Yeah, it would be, considering she's his female clone.

I was thinking more of a father daughter type relationship.

Logan 87
I really hate when they try to make a Wolvie clone, better than the original, to try and make money lol, but The original will always be the best... quick question, how does Wolverine bend his wrist when his claws are right there.

Wanderer259
When sheathed, they're completely housed inside his forearm. When unsheathed, I'd say they're held just within the wrist. Or it's just comic book magic. smile

Logan 87
Originally posted by Wanderer259
When sheathed, they're completely housed inside his forearm. When unsheathed, I'd say they're held just within the wrist. Or it's just comic book magic. smile

lol thanks

comic book magic laughing

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Creshosk
I really hope to see more of X-23 and Wolverine together, but not in either a fighting manner nor anything romantic. . . that's just kinda wrong. . .

I wonder if we have enough wolvie clones to make a wolvie team. . .

Wolvie was number 10. . . I wonder who the other weapons are. . .
Are you talking about Wolverine being Weapon X, with the X being roman numeral for 10?
I thought X-23 is called that because she's cloned from a cell that had a damaged 23rd chromosome, the Y chromosome - which is probably why she's a female? In the cartoon she was in she was the 23rd clone attempt.
The other weapons I can think of off the top of my head include Captain America (I), Fantomex (XIII) and the Stepford Cuckoos (XIV).

willRules
There is a thread in the X-men forum (its quite old so it might take a while to find) which tells us who most of the Weapons from the project are. If you have the X-men issue where Cyclops, Wolverine and Fantomex blow up weapon XV (15) then it is quite easy to work out who most of them are.

Creshosk
Originally posted by willRules
There is a thread in the X-men forum (its quite old so it might take a while to find) which tells us who most of the Weapons from the project are. If you have the X-men issue where Cyclops, Wolverine and Fantomex blow up weapon XV (15) then it is quite easy to work out who most of them are. This one?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=297228&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Metalmanx
Sorry, X-23, but Wolverine pretty easily wins. I mean, even though he usually loses, he freakin holds his own against Sabretooth. And I don't put any money at all on X-23 holding her own against him.

Wolverine takes her pretty easily, in my opinion.

HarmoNiC FLo
everyone knows logan is hard to get along with. this would turn into a date. shes/hes as good as she/he can get LOL

Cathy X-23
He wouldn't go all out on a child. The psychological connection they have.

jinzin
ummm didn't stop him from nearly scewering marrow...

Cathy X-23
Marrow is old enough, and scary.

jinzin
when they fought?


ummm no.....


are you still under the impression that x-23 is going to win this?

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by jinzin
when they fought?


ummm no.....


are you still under the impression that x-23 is going to win this?

sad yes

jinzin
how? wolverine's stronger better more experienced.....i don't see her doing this any time soon...

jinzin
or taking this kind of punishment...

jinzin
..

jinzin
and how did wolverine respond to being hit with a redwood that had the destructive force of a bomb?



like this.

Cathy X-23
Hulk is a big target, that he is. X-23 is a slim and fast target, that she is..

jinzin
cathy you are seriously underestimating wolverine...here look at this thread...look at all of it...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t361370.html

jinzin
slimmer and faster than a bullet?

Cathy X-23
I don't like what I see no
Do you have any X-23 ones eek!

jinzin
Originally posted by jinzin
slimmer and faster than a bullet?

jinzin
sorry I don't collect her stuff really...I've only read some of her stuff..but she doesn't really interest me...if I can find where I put my damn book i'll post where she beat up spidey...but I don't know where I put it....sad

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by jinzin
sorry I don't collect her stuff really...I've only read some of her stuff..but she doesn't really interest me...if I can find where I put my damn book i'll post where she beat up spidey...but I don't know where I put it....sad

Find it eek!

long pig
You do realize it'd only take one swipe and she'd be cut in two?

Cathy X-23
Not that simple, and there is healing factor.

long pig
Can't heal your body back together when you've been cut in half.

jinzin
laughing out loud

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by long pig
Can't heal your body back together when you've been cut in half.

laughing out loud I know Wolverine can't do that. Good point

jinzin
ummm jou're joking..you have to be...

Cathy X-23
Wolverine wins, but it's the fight of his life. Worse than the Hulk..wheres the X-23 beating Spiderman pics. sad

jinzin
i can't find the book...I lost it sad


and no...IN NO WAY AT ALL...is x-23 the fight of his life...or even close for that matter.....that's ridiculous....and in no way AT ALL is she even close to being the type of threat hulk is....that's even worse!

Cathy X-23
Originally posted by jinzin
i can't find the book...I lost it sad


and no...IN NO WAY AT ALL...is x-23 the fight of his life...or even close for that matter.....that's ridiculous....and in no way AT ALL is she even close to being the type of threat hulk is....that's even worse!


sad Find the Book



She is the third most dangerous person, he ever faced. big grin

Creshosk
Originally posted by Cathy X-23
sad Find the Book



She is the third most dangerous person, he ever faced. big grin I actually don't see her as a threat at all.

He handled her pretty easily, she really only hit him because he wasn't fighting back.

I however would love a sig of her, wolverine, jubilee, Kitty pride, mariko, amiko, yukio, silver fox, viper, Wild thing etc. etc. etc. . . . you get the picture?

jinzin
exactly...cathhy you are hilarious but totally and utterly wrong....x-23's MAYBE ......MAYBE a blip on his radar compared to his other foes...

thezenbrawler
the most dangerous person he ever fought, and was the fight of his life, is when he fought magneto and got the adamantium pulled through his skin

Jesse7
I don't know much about X-23, I don't know who would win.

Marcus4600
I know the fight of his life. This guy:
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/file_photo/walrus.jpg

Whoops. Wrong photo. It's actually this guy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/spacelord777/Thanos/thanos_01.jpg

8swords
necro bump, he he he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TilG3jGQFLo

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