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the fantastic four vs. Superman

Do they get prep?

30 min

This is close, but i think the Fantastic Four would win. Reed, when pissed, has CL 100+ strength cuz he can give himself strength using his elasticity (he only did it once, against Onslaught). Thing also is now a low Cl 100+. Invisible Woman is, in my opinion, the 3 most powerful woman (besides Phoenix) in the Marvel universe, only below Scarlet Witch and Binary. Human Torch can now generate flames up to 1,500,000 degrees! I think supes is screwed.

Supes slaughters them if they don't prep. If they have prep, they slaughter Supes.

i already said 30 min. they have 30 min of prep time which isnt that much. What does heat do to rubber again? i forgot.

30 minutes isn't enough. Even Reed can't build something to stop Supes in that time. Low class 100's won't affect Superman at all. He's too fast for Johnny. Invisible Woman might be a lil problem... I think Supes can still take her though.

Yeah 30 minutes is quite short. Supes slaughters them I think. IW would be the greatest threat to Supes.

With prep reed could come up with something, but because of the short time limit restriction, creating borderlines around their potential. 4/10

Sue uses her force fields to block Superman's breathing until he passes out.

She'd be there for a long long time... lol.

If Supes takes out the IW in the first few seconds, he can just have fun playing around with the rest of the team.

Even Reed can't scour the Earth for KNite in 30mins, I'm afraid.

Give him a day of prep and yes, they'd beat him. Easily.

But pitched into a battle like this with only half an hour's warning, I don't see it.

Originally posted by armandovalles
This is close, but i think the Fantastic Four would win. Reed, when pissed, has CL 100+ strength cuz he can give himself strength using his elasticity (he only did it once, against Onslaught). Thing also is now a low Cl 100+. Invisible Woman is, in my opinion, the 3 most powerful woman (besides Phoenix) in the Marvel universe, only below Scarlet Witch and Binary. Human Torch can now generate flames up to 1,500,000 degrees! I think supes is screwed.
This is the WORST REPLY EVER MADE.
Mr. Fantastic using elasticity to grant himself low level Class 100 strenght?Oh please....

Thing is also a low level Class 100.
Oh, so scaring.I think Supes is so scared he needs a new pair of underwear.Thing's fist are something Superman can block with one finger and then drill into his rocky body with one finger and pull out his heart.

IW 3 most powerful woman in the Marvel Universe?
Nova, Polaris, Goblin Queen are far above her level of power.
And we all know what happens if she try to contain Superman, mental stress for holding a ff against a superstrong opponent for too much time has nearly killed her.

Human Torch
Superman usually takes nukes without problems.
What is Johnny going to do?Plus, HAND-CLAP and puffff no more flame.

armandovalles and his fanboy show

Superman could probably take them all out before they could blink. At least he could take out IW. Then he could easily kill the others.

If Namor has sometimes beaten FF or at least almost beaten them, I wonder what Superman could do...

iw is the only challenge (as has been stated), superman will b!tchslap the rest easily...

if he takes out sue first this is a slaughter...

While I agree that IW will pose the biggest threat. The other three are ragdolls to Superman.

With prep-time it would be a different story but I wouldnt count out Superman cause if the FF were to get prep then Superman would. My point being is that if Superman knows that they know his weaknesses Superman will crank up the heat and fight more intelligently.

Like maybe a huge dose of gale-force wind or some ultra-heat vison.

I have to say Superman wins this one.

The Human Torch can't hurt him with his fire,if Invisble Woman turns invisble he can use his x-ray vision and he'd be invulnerable to all of the Thing's punches.Mr.Fantastic wouldn't be able to do anything and the only way the Fantastic Four can beat Superman is with Kryptonite.

Superman wins 10/10.

At the start he speedblitzes IW before she can get her shield up (he can move faster than thought). She's done.

Johnny gets handclapped like K said, or just gets beaten to death.

Thing...do I even need to reply on this one?

Reed either:

1) Gets melted by his heat vision
2)Stretched beyond his limit
3)Frozen and crushed into bits
4)Air sucked out of his lungs
5)Thrown into space
6)Sees what happened to the rest of the team and says "**** this! We needed more prep!" and walks off.

I totally agree with you DrDoom.They would need alot of prep time.

Yup

Originally posted by DrDoom

6)Sees what happened to the rest of the team and says "**** this! We needed more prep!" and walks off.

Superman can beat all of them.They have no chance.The only person with a good chance of putting up a fight is the Thing.

Thing doesn't stand a chance of putting up a good fight.

Supes could take Thing's best punch to the chin and laugh, lol.

Originally posted by Zod4Life
The only person with a good chance of putting up a fight is the Thing. A strong shot of heat vision and Superman turns Thing into a glass statue

I know but I'm saying the Thing has a better chance than everyone else.

Originally posted by Zod4Life
I know but I'm saying the Thing has a better chance than everyone else.

he poses the least threat so superman kills him last...

Originally posted by Zod4Life
Superman can beat all of them.They have no chance.The only person with a good chance of putting up a fight is the Thing.

Nah, out of all of the members Sue has the best chance of taking Supes on 1 on 1--but Superman would already send her to meet the sandman before she could fully form a force bubble, even if she did--she couldn't keep it up for long with a dozen Class 100++ blows raining down on her.


Grimm would get laid out like a Thai hooker when the Navy boats dock. He's the second most threatening member--if you can even call somebody who can't lay a hand on Supes a threat. It's a squash--not even a real fight.

Sue would be down before Johnny could flame on, Supes would *****slap Torch (he's a lightweight in the durability dept.), and then he'd crush Grimm into rubble. Reed--being the smart one, would just forfeit after his team was decimated in under 5 minutes.

Superman wouldn't hurt Sue but send her a message that he can if he wants to.

The Fantastic 4 would whip his Krptonian @$$

Numbers and with good powers

You just don't read the rest of the thread, do you?

uhhh....no

that was to benito

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You just don't read the rest of the thread, do you? First I give my verdict then I read the rest. Kay.

The Fantastic Four would get their asses handed to them Benito.Fire can't hurt Superman because he's invulnerable,if Sue turns invisible he can use his x-ray vision to see her,the Thing isn't nearly as strong as Superman so his punches wouldn't even make Superman flinch and Mr.Fantastic cant do anything to try and stop Superman because Superman would twist him up and put him in knotts.

Originally posted by BENITO
First I give my verdict then I read the rest. Kay.

strange method

Sure is a strange method.

i read before posting

same as everyone else

I usually read what everyone has said then I give my opinion.

With a few days of prep, Fantastic Four wins

The only way they can win is with Kryptonite.Other than that,it doesn't matter how much planning or training they do because they'll still lose.

Reed: Fantastic Four... We have a problem...

IW: What's wrong dear?

Thing: A problem we can't handle? That'll be the day.

Torch: Yeah reed, why are you getting so worked up?

Reed: A man called Superman is on the way to kill us all. From what my machines tell me, he has only two weaknesses. A foreign substance called Kryptonite, and ambient magical energy attacks that seem to disrupt his seemingly impenetrable bio-matrix force field.

Thing: Give me 5 minutes with him, and it'll be all over..

Reed: Ben, you wouldn't last 5 seconds against this guy.

Thing: 5 seconds my a$$! Bring that motherfu<%er here, and I'll show you!!!

Reed: Ben! Calm down. Kryptonite is non-existent in this universe... But, if i can replicate the energy signatures of this foreign substance, I'm pretty sure we can defeat him.

3 days later....

Superman: I'm Superman, prepare to die! Argghhhh!!!! Kryptonite!!! How!?

Reed: I have replicated the energy signature of Kryptonite. You think Batman is smart? Batman is a 3 year old cripple with down syndrome compared to my intelligence. Thing, now you can have your 5 minutes with him. Torch, make sure you keep that K-nite energy gun on him.

Torch: No prob. I thought you said we had a problem.

Reed: We did. But only a small one.

Thing: It's clobberin time!

Superman: Nooo.... Arggghhh!!! Oooofff!!! Hwffff!!!!

Superman spam_laser Reed's K-nite gun.

Originally posted by Sentry
Reed: Fantastic Four... We have a problem...

IW: What's wrong dear?

Thing: A problem we can't handle? That'll be the day.

Torch: Yeah reed, why are you getting so worked up?

Reed: A man called Superman is on the way to kill us all. From what my machines tell me, he has only two weaknesses. A foreign substance called Kryptonite, and ambient magical energy attacks that seem to disrupt his seemingly impenetrable bio-matrix force field.

Thing: Give me 5 minutes with him, and it'll be all over..

Reed: Ben, you wouldn't last 5 seconds against this guy.

Thing: 5 seconds my a$$! Bring that motherfu<%er here, and I'll show you!!!

Reed: Ben! Calm down. Kryptonite is non-existent in this universe... But, if i can replicate the energy signatures of this foreign substance, I'm pretty sure we can defeat him.

3 days later....

Superman: I'm Superman, prepare to die! Argghhhh!!!! Kryptonite!!! How!?

Reed: I have replicated the energy signature of Kryptonite. You think Batman is smart? Batman is a 3 year old cripple with down syndrome compared to my intelligence. Thing, now you can have your 5 minutes with him. Torch, make sure you keep that K-nite energy gun on him.

Torch: No prob. I thought you said we had a problem.

Reed: We did. But only a small one.

Thing: It's clobberin time!

Superman: Nooo.... Arggghhh!!! Oooofff!!! Hwffff!!!!

Supes isn't real, but you hate him so much

Keep the faith

enjoy watching sentry crack up

Whirly

Supes easy

The Fantastic Four just can't beat Superman and everyone knows that.

Originally posted by Zod4Life
The Fantastic Four just can't beat Superman and everyone knows that.

except Sentry

bless him

Keep the faith

Whirly

Johnny(Human Torch)would be like the sun giving him more power.It would be like the more fire the Human Torch uses against Superman the more powerful he becomes.

With enough prep they can.

Originally posted by Sentry
Reed: Fantastic Four... We have a problem...

IW: What's wrong dear?

Thing: A problem we can't handle? That'll be the day.

Torch: Yeah reed, why are you getting so worked up?

Reed: A man called Superman is on the way to kill us all. From what my machines tell me, he has only two weaknesses. A foreign substance called Kryptonite, and ambient magical energy attacks that seem to disrupt his seemingly impenetrable bio-matrix force field.

Thing: Give me 5 minutes with him, and it'll be all over..

Reed: Ben, you wouldn't last 5 seconds against this guy.

Thing: 5 seconds my a$$! Bring that motherfu<%er here, and I'll show you!!!

Reed: Ben! Calm down. Kryptonite is non-existent in this universe... But, if i can replicate the energy signatures of this foreign substance, I'm pretty sure we can defeat him.

3 days later....

Superman: I'm Superman, prepare to die! Argghhhh!!!! Kryptonite!!! How!?

Reed: I have replicated the energy signature of Kryptonite. You think Batman is smart? Batman is a 3 year old cripple with down syndrome compared to my intelligence. Thing, now you can have your 5 minutes with him. Torch, make sure you keep that K-nite energy gun on him.

Torch: No prob. I thought you said we had a problem.

Reed: We did. But only a small one.

Thing: It's clobberin time!

Superman: Nooo.... Arggghhh!!! Oooofff!!! Hwffff!!!!

Superman spam_laser Reed's K-nite energy gun

trumpet Superman rip

No,they can't.Superman is invulnerable and none of their powers can even make him flinch.

Originally posted by Sentry
With enough prep they can.



Mad

Faith

Whirly

If the Superman knows the FF know his weaknesses Im sure he will keep his disctance and fight on a more intelligent level.

They would never use Kryptonite because Reed won't allow it.

I think the F4 could easily win. Sue could hold him in a force field while Johnny absorbs all the heat and sun radiation from him, making Johnny stronger and Supes weaker. Then IW could put invisible shackles on Superman, this way he cant fight back while Ben pummels him. But although Supes invulnerability is probly a little too much for Ben to completely get through, i think he could get through it enough to hurt Supes, and by the time Ben's arms are tired of punching or Sue's tired of holding her handcuffs Reed wouldve already come up with some sort of Kryptonite gun to put Supes down for the count.

Thats how i think this fight would go.

Supes takes this one easily. 30 min of prep isnt enough time for thing to take a dump.

lol!



And no - it's not enough time for them. Even if they did have somekinda KNite gun - it'd vanish from Reed's hands and appear in Supes' - just like magic! Then it'd be promptly snapped in two.

Shortly followed by the Fantastic Four...

Give Reed a day of prep and I'd possibly side with you Sentry.

But this much it's just a walkover....

Originally posted by armandovalles
I think the F4 could easily win. Sue could hold him in a force field while Johnny absorbs all the heat and sun radiation from him, making Johnny stronger and Supes weaker. Then IW could put invisible shackles on Superman, this way he cant fight back while Ben pummels him. But although Supes invulnerability is probly a little too much for Ben to completely get through, i think he could get through it enough to hurt Supes, and by the time Ben's arms are tired of punching or Sue's tired of holding her handcuffs Reed wouldve already come up with some sort of Kryptonite gun to put Supes down for the count.

Thats how i think this fight would go.


LMAO! Johnny can't do that.He can't suck energy from people.And Sue's force field isn't enough to hold Superman because he can lift over 250,000 billion tons or something like that.And Superman can break out of chains and Ben's power range is 80-90 tons so he can't even scratch Superman.And as I've said before,Reed won't allow the use of Kryptonite cuz he'll want a fair fight.

Man, this thread is still going?

@ Sentry...just because you're named after a blatant ripoff of the guy you hate so much.

"Haters wanna haaate lovers wanna looove, but Supes doesn't want none of the above cuz he will shit on youuuuuuu"

"It's all in the name Super.Man. Super, as in I'm better than you, and Man as in get-off-my..."

Supes is the man.

Originally posted by armandovalles
I think the F4 could easily win. Sue could hold him in a force field while Johnny absorbs all the heat and sun radiation from him, making Johnny stronger and Supes weaker. Then IW could put invisible shackles on Superman, this way he cant fight back while Ben pummels him. But although Supes invulnerability is probly a little too much for Ben to completely get through, i think he could get through it enough to hurt Supes, and by the time Ben's arms are tired of punching or Sue's tired of holding her handcuffs Reed wouldve already come up with some sort of Kryptonite gun to put Supes down for the count.

Thats how i think this fight would go.

Superman would easily win. Reed could not get an Kryptonite gun in thirty minutes...ben would break his hand if he would hit Superman....Sue could not hold Superman....and Johnny can't absorb energy from people.

Tell 'em DarkCrawler!

Actually yes Johny can manipulate such energies, he did it to beat Graviton and in a fight with terminus. He is not magneto when it comes to EM energy, but he does control energy from UV-Infrared in the spectrum. And Superman is just too low class to be a threat to the FF. I mean Abraxas let the Ff know he was coming to kick there ass by sending Galactus' skull to Earth and they didnt even get worked up from that, i dont think they're going to intimidated by a guy in costume from 1920.

Doesn't Reed have a machine that allows him to work outside of time, so in 30 minutes Earth time he can complete like 2 weeks worth of work?

Exactly. F-4 win.

Wrong.You guys have all been proven wrong.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Doesn't Reed have a machine that allows him to work outside of time, so in 30 minutes Earth time he can complete like 2 weeks worth of work?

Uses 30 minutes and turns it into 2 weeks of prep, seems logical. Something Mr. Fantastic will do knowing his opponent. You've been proven wrong.

Originally posted by Sentry
Uses 30 minutes and turns it into 2 weeks of prep, seems logical. Something Mr. Fantastic will do knowing his opponent. You've been proven wrong. If Superman knows the FF know his weakness dont you think Superman will change his game plan?

Like maybe attack from a distance utilising his superior speed.

prep is so gay

I'd rule out the "outside of time" thing. 30 minutes is 30 minutes, not 2 weeks. And how would Reed know Superman's weakness in the first place?

Originally posted by Dizzle
I'd rule out the "outside of time" thing. 30 minutes is 30 minutes, not 2 weeks. And how would Reed know Superman's weakness in the first place? forum rules lol

Damn... I really need to get to know those better. So far, I got no swearing, bloodlust, and my newfound "general knowledge" powers down...

Anyhoo, the 30 minutes to 2 weeks is pretty retarded, if I do say so myself.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Damn... I really need to get to know those better. So far, I got no swearing, bloodlust, and my newfound "general knowledge" powers down...

Anyhoo, the 30 minutes to 2 weeks is pretty retarded, if I do say so myself.
ya lol

Hey, I'm just sayin':

Reed has already built the machine. It's canon material. It's one of the instances in which Gladiator displays his faster than light speed. It's not like I made it up, they actually have a machine that slows down time.

Maybe in a half hour Reed can modify it so that it slows down time around them rather than giving the 2 weeks, and in effect slow Supes to a crawl and figure something out.

Either that or Supes punches through their heads.

If Superman knows that the F4 know his weakness,he'll be sure to change his game-plan and maybe have a battlesuit to protect him from anything they have that involves Kryptonite.

The F4 aren't going to be able to overpower him. Half an hour's probably not enough time for Reed to make anything decent. So I have to give this one to Supes. Give him a day Supes can probably still pull off a win. Give him a week Reed and Superman are at a stalemate. Give him a fortnight (maybe less) and Reed's probably invented a Superman nullifier. At which point Johnny fries Superman, while Sue suffocates him.

Reed built a machine that switched Johnny and Sues powers in only a few minutes...in his enemy's lab. He can work outside of time as long as he wants, there r no limits. When the Thing's skin was duplicating itself and probably going to destroy the Earth Reed discussed his problem with thousands of Reeds through the multiverse, one of them was even integrated into some kind of hive mind like the supreme intelligence or quasimodo. Reed's brain and resources r so far beyond Superman that he isnt even a remote threat.

The FF dont need prep. Do u realize Invisible Woman can turn objects invisible? Superman cannot fight an invisible FF. IW could also turn his retinas invisible and blind him. Then Clark is helpless to getting his ass kicked. A force field could also prevent Supes from escaping the fight. No kryptonite necessary.

So basically...

with prep, F4 win...

without prep, they're screwed...

no without prep they just have to take advantage of IW abilities and then kick Supe's ass.

If the FF's hands r bound behind their backs...and they r drugged and unconscious...and Supes gets a week of prep then he wins.

I know how the DC fans love to construct situations where Supes can beat the FF by removing their resources.

They're screwed with prep time.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Reed built a machine that switched Johnny and Sues powers in only a few minutes...in his enemy's lab. He can work outside of time as long as he wants, there r no limits. When the Thing's skin was duplicating itself and probably going to destroy the Earth Reed discussed his problem with thousands of Reeds through the multiverse, one of them was even integrated into some kind of hive mind like the supreme intelligence or quasimodo. Reed's brain and resources r so far beyond Superman that he isnt even a remote threat.

The FF dont need prep. Do u realize Invisible Woman can turn objects invisible? Superman cannot fight an invisible FF. IW could also turn his retinas invisible and blind him. Then Clark is helpless to getting his ass kicked. A force field could also prevent Supes from escaping the fight. No kryptonite necessary.

Reed was able to build the machine so fast because he had already known that he could SWITCH powers within the four FF members, but he couldn't take them away.

FF don't need prep? When Superman could kill 3/4 of them outright? He's faster than thought. Do you know what that means?

He would blitz Johnny before he could say "Flame On!!", he could KO Sue before she could even think of putting up a bubble, and he could freeze/melt Reed before he even knew what hit him. Grimm would last about 3 minutes or 10 seconds, depending if Supes wanted to throw him into space--or just pound the crap out of him.

He's no stranger to invisible combatants (White Martians anyone?), and it's not like anyone in the FF doesn't need to breathe--he'd just use his hearing to pick up their heartbeat/breathing. Then he'd take 'em out--even if he was blinded he could still use his hearing to guide him.

IW forcefield holding Superman? Mebbe for a few seconds, then IW would have to let him free from the strain. Then she'd get crushed.

Supes wins 8-9/10. they only get 30 mins. and that isn't nearly enough.

Also, that's pretty cheesy saying Reed would use his time machine to get a week of prep --the topic creator gave them 30 mins and 30 minutes only.

Originally posted by Wynndar
no without prep they just have to take advantage of IW abilities and then kick Supe's ass.

If the FF's hands r bound behind their backs...and they r drugged and unconscious...and Supes gets a week of prep then he wins.

I know how the DC fans love to construct situations where Supes can beat the FF by removing their resources.

you're kidding... you have to be...

seems f4 fans like to think they can beat anybody due to sue...

Originally posted by DrDoom
Reed was able to build the machine so fast because he had already known that he could SWITCH powers within the four FF members, but he couldn't take them away.

FF don't need prep? When Superman could kill 3/4 of them outright? He's faster than thought. Do you know what that means?

He would blitz Johnny before he could say "Flame On!!", he could KO Sue before she could even think of putting up a bubble, and he could freeze/melt Reed before he even knew what hit him. Grimm would last about 3 minutes or 10 seconds, depending if Supes wanted to throw him into space--or just pound the crap out of him.

He's no stranger to invisible combatants (White Martians anyone?), and it's not like anyone in the FF doesn't need to breathe--he'd just use his hearing to pick up their heartbeat/breathing. Then he'd take 'em out--even if he was blinded he could still use his hearing to guide him.

IW forcefield holding Superman? Mebbe for a few seconds, then IW would have to let him free from the strain. Then she'd get crushed.

Supes wins 8-9/10. they only get 30 mins. and that isn't nearly enough.

Also, that's pretty cheesy saying Reed would use his time machine to get a week of prep --the topic creator gave them 30 mins and 30 minutes only.

Superman Speed blitzing an entire team of good guys is about as likely as Sue causing an anurism in his brain. The FF have fought tougher adversaries than Superman....even as individuals.

U have to admit Superman is not much more of a threat than Thor. Then u could even stretch him out to being as big a threat as the Silver Surfer (I dont think he is anywhere close to him though). Regardless, thats not all that impressive for the FF. How many memebers of the FF have taken on Anihilus in the past? Anihilus raped Thor and had to be kicked out of Asgard by Odin. Or how about Cosmic Doom? The Thing has fought every strong guy in Marvel, including the Destroyer who is superior to Supes and Thor(most would argue that the Thing had the upper hand against the destroyer, its not about sheer strength).

If Superman can always jus speed blitz someone into the Sun then the JLA wouldnt be getting beat by deathstroke.

Wrong.F4 aren't strong enough to beat Sperman.

Originally posted by Wynndar
If Superman can always jus speed blitz someone into the Sun then the JLA wouldnt be getting beat by deathstroke.

The JLA sans most of their strongest members. Only Flash, Zee, and Kyle posed a real threat to Slade. If it was the current JLA it would've gone down a lot differently. He still would've won though, cuz he's good with prep.

Anyways...noone in comics is written to their full potential all of the time. It would be boring if Flash just pummeled everyone he faced at light speed. They wouldn't be able to hit him, and it would start to get stupid. Same for Superman and his blitzes. Or SS/Gladiator and their light speed. Hulk/Herc/Wonderman/etc. should just grab hold of every enemy that doesn't have flight powers and fling them into space, it would work but it would be boring after the 50th time. See what I'm getting at?

obviously...but that wasnt what i was debating. I was trying to emphasize how lame an argument it is to say SM can just speed blitz...conversely one could just say IW gives him an anurism.

I also pointed out how u had downplayed each member of the FF seeing that each of them has individually duelled more powerful opponents than SM and survived, sometimes even won.

How is it lame to say that when he would be outnumbered 4 to 1 he would use one of his powers to the max? He CAN do it--unlike Sue giving him an aneurysm.

Downplayed? What is Reed going to do to him? Try to wrap him up? He'd end up fried/frozen/in space before he knew it.
What is Johnny going to do? His flames can't hurt Superman, he's not as fast as Superman, and he's not even really durable--two punches from Supes and he's down.
Grimm can go a round or two with him--but that's it. He can't even touch Superman if Supes doesn't want him to.

Sue can hold her own for a bit, but we've all seen what happens when too much force is exerted on her field--she either has to back down or pass out from the strain.

well ur entitled to ur opinion for sure...But the torch doesnt need to just flame him to death and there is no evidence SM could withstand his hottest flame. The torch could beat SM the same way he beat Graviton.

Reed is more resilient and resourceful than u make him out to be. With the combination of his powers and tech he has taken on tougher than SM. And if he is fighting to the death as u r depicting SM, then he would be playing much like he did as the Dark Raider, a character who was worse than Dr Doom, and who would anihilate SM. Ur right, the Thing could go a round with him, just like he has gone with the Destroyer, Hulk, Occulus, Silver Surfer, Terrax, Gladiator, etc....a round is all he needs...the FF fight as a team. And like i said, Sue would have no trouble with someone like SM, she could easily blind him and trap him with a field. SM cannot blitz the FF unless he is sneaking up on them and attacking like u r depicting...whats keeping the FF from blitzing SM? or how can SM blitz a team he cant see? Or what if the FF create an illusion for him to blitz? SM is in trouble then huh?

Invisible GIRL passes out...IW holds it til it shatters as in the case of Doom with a watcher's amplified cosmic power...SM isnt 1/100th as powerful as that incarnation of Doom, he isnt breaking sh!t.

Originally posted by Wynndar
But the torch doesnt need to just flame him to death and there is no evidence SM could withstand his hottest flame.

Supes can spend literally thousands of years in the sun.

Without any harm.

No heat is gonna burn him.

It might HURT him - the first time he faced Bizarro, Bizarro used heat vision on him and it really caused him pain.

But it didn't physically injure him.

No-one in the F4 could hurt Supes.

Not if he didn't want them to.

Superman, the Fantastic 4 are horrible. No body on their team can compete with Superman.

The Fantastic Four are nothing compared to Superman.They'll be like bugs annoying him.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Supes isn't real, but you hate him so much

Keep the faith

enjoy watching sentry crack up

Whirly

The reason Sentry hates Superman is because Sentry is a clone of Superman you think Clones like the people they were created from? Sh-- I would.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Supes can spend literally thousands of years in the sun.

Without any harm.

No heat is gonna burn him.

It might HURT him - the first time he faced Bizarro, Bizarro used heat vision on him and it really caused him pain.

But it didn't physically injure him.

No-one in the F4 could hurt Supes.

Not if he didn't want them to.

I thought Bizarro had fire breath.

yup as much as i hate superman he wins this

Originally posted by Dizzle
Damn... I really need to get to know those better. So far, I got no swearing, bloodlust, and my newfound "general knowledge" powers down...

Anyhoo, the 30 minutes to 2 weeks is pretty retarded, if I do say so myself.
Prep time is pretty lame, period.

Superman destroys them in a straight up fight.

Weird as this may sound the F4 actually would possibly fair better in this fight than the one against Wonder Woman (and before ppl start screaming) its' only because he does have the kryptonite weakness and the ever so exploitable magic weakness as Diana has none the still die horrible, horrible deaths.

Scenario: Johnny flames on and goes straight for supes and is *****slapped and his neck is broken.
Reed attempts to stretch and is frozen via super breath and the supes picks up thing and smashes him.
Thing is then punched a few times with super speed then falls unconscious.
Sue utilizing this time has turned invisible and already put up a force field unfortunately a few meteor blasting attacks at super speed tire her out and then using X-ray vision supes finds her and kills her with heat vision and then leaves.
With the FF dead Dr.Doom comes out and says FINALLY! and then takes the young and now orphaned Franklin Richards under his arm and teaches him the the ways of the Doom. Franklin say in about 10-15 years later comes back to kill supes.

Superman should EASILY win this fight. No one here can stop Superman from delivering a near light speed slap to the face as soon as the bell rings.

They won't even know what happened. Fight shouldn't reach 1 second.

I've seen this point missed in so many threads, I don't know where to begin, so I'm just starting here...

Forget magic, forget siphoning solar energy, forget even kryptonite. Superman, as much as I admire the character, has one more major weakness, and it is among the most common forces in the universe, easy enough to generate. It is only because of bad writing that we don't see it used more often in comics (eg, in OWAW, tell me Braniac or Imperiex couldn't think of this--I know in the past Luthor has, many, many times)...

Red sunlight. Period. Next.

Originally posted by Mindship
I've seen this point missed in so many threads, I don't know where to begin, so I'm just starting here...

Forget magic, forget siphoning solar energy, forget even kryptonite. Superman, as much as I admire the character, has one more major weakness, and it is among the most common forces in the universe, easy enough to generate. It is only because of bad writing that we don't see it used more often in comics (eg, in OWAW, tell me Braniac or Imperiex couldn't think of this--I know in the past Luthor has, many, many times)...

Red sunlight. Period. Next. Except he defeated Zod under a red sun.

Also, who is going to be fast enough to use it before catching a light speed punch that would be ko or even death for these characters?


And is Reed going to know Supermans weakness and build a red sun generator in his 30 min prep time?

sue storm givin supes a( )( )flash (hes a sucker for chics hehe) would be the distraction they need for reed to slip ben the kryptonite gauntlet and sukcer punch him while hes hypnotised by sues ( )( )s then after weakened beaten knocked out torchie nova blasts him out of existence. Guess that works LOL

Originally posted by Juntai
Except he defeated Zod under a red sun.

Also, who is going to be fast enough to use it before catching a light speed punch that would be ko or even death for these characters?


And is Reed going to know Supermans weakness and build a red sun generator in his 30 min prep time?

Don't get me wrong; the red sun weakness - how it is/isn't used - bother me in its inconsistency.

Doesn't Zod also lose his powers under a red sun (I could be outta date with this, I don't know)?

It doesnt matter how fast Superman moves if his opponent is already radiating red sun radiation. And again, Luthor has used it many times to good effect. Why not Braniac or Imperiex, the latter (at least) who is no slouch in the speed department.

This I would agree with: with no prior knowledge, Reed wouldn't know.

Again, I like Supes, he's my #2 favorite. And the red sun weakness is a logical, believable weakness. I just don't like when the option is conveniently ignored simply for a story's sake.

Read Superman #216.

He fights Eclipso while wearing a Luthor battle suite that happens to be made out of kryptonite alloy and just happens to emit red solar radiation. Superman destroys the suite while taking some heavy red solar power shots. He also had to try and defeat him while not getting mad cause Eclipso feeds off anger.

Red solar power is not a good option to use if your trying to beat Superman.

Actually, when Zod came a few years ago, he was stronger from a red son like Superman is from yellow one.., that's why he wore the armor under the yellow sun before he turned it red. It transformed yellow to red sun power. Then he turned the whole sun red, and took off his armor and Superman still beat him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Read Superman #216.

He fights Eclipso while wearing a Luthor battle suite that happens to be made out of kryptonite alloy and just happens to emit red solar radiation. Superman destroys the suite while taking some heavy red solar power shots. He also had to try and defeat him while not getting mad cause Eclipso feeds off anger.

Red solar power is not a good option to use if your trying to beat Superman.

Thanks for the FYI. It makes far more sense if Superman's susceptibility to his weaknesses is not so immediate.

gladiator decimated them. superman could do the same thing. ben and johnny would be useless. any hope they have would lie in sue and reed's brain. thor and hulk have been able to overcome sue's shields in the past. her powers are much more varied now, but short of some silly attack (popping his brain or something) i don't see her being enough. reed might be able to come up with something IF supes doesn't grab him or suck him into his lungs ala hulk. the ff would almost certainly need some prep to win this imo.

Superman owns the fantastic 4. The fantastic 4 are the worst group of super hero's ever.

Superman is more invulnerable and stronger then the Thing.

Superman has X-ray vision which allows him to see Invisible woman.

Superman is Faster then the Human Torch.

Superman is just better then Mr. Fantastic.

Superman uses Speed Blitz, they all die.

Originally posted by Fanboy
I thought Bizarro had fire breath.

The Bizarro in silver edition Superman The Man of Steel #5 had heat-vision.

All the others (like Bizarro#1 - the main Bizarro) had flamebreath, ice-vision, x-ray vision that can ONLY see through lead etc etc.



And Supes would smite the F4.

Verily.

Fantastic Four wins...

Originally posted by bitca730
Fantastic Four wins... How..?

this thread still sucks.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
The fantastic 4 are the worst group of super hero's ever.
How so?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
How so?

His arguments are some of the strongest I've seen in a while.

Well the method they used to beat Gladiator will not work on Superman. The FF is in trouble.

how about just blinding him and then kicking his ass...or how about blowing up his brain? Speed blitz? Reed has the real speed blitz, gets on the time sled and shoots his ass out of space while baby Kalel is on his way to Earth. One can make up cheap ass arguments on both sides. Objectively one has to say the F4 and Superman are both great heroes and have beaten the odds countless times.

Originally posted by Wynndar
His arguments are some of the strongest I've seen in a while.
Then I conceed!

Originally posted by Wynndar
how about just blinding him and then kicking his ass...or how about blowing up his brain? Speed blitz? Reed has the real speed blitz, gets on the time sled and shoots his ass out of space while baby Kalel is on his way to Earth. One can make up cheap ass arguments on both sides. Objectively one has to say the F4 and Superman are both great heroes and have beaten the odds countless times. Except, he's faster than their brains are. In many multiples. And one swing downs any and all of them.

Objectively one has to say the F4 and Superman are both great heroes, but Superman would beat the F4.

Can IW blow up Supermans brain? I don't know if she can get past his aura.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/FFandGlads.jpg

Yea...that only makes sense in under the condition that SM sneak attacks the F4 in their beds. Speed blitz is just as cheap as using a time machine to send baby Kalel into the negative zone. U know very well in a straight up fight the F4 have more versatility, resources, strategy, intelligence, and availability of heterosexual costumes.

I bet Superman has speedblitzed more to win fights than IW blows up peoples brains or Reed uses his time machine to win fights.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Yea...that only makes sense in under the condition that SM sneak attacks the F4 in their beds. Speed blitz is just as cheap as using a time machine to send baby Kalel into the negative zone. U know very well in a straight up fight the F4 have more versatility, resources, strategy, intelligence, and availability of heterosexual costumes. "That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed."

From the rules thread. So it is a reasonable tactic.


And they don't have more resources or strategy and intelligence is questionable.. Superman's intellect is far above and beyond Earthmen. But, so is Reed's, I'll give you that. It's impossible to guage. He's from one of the smartest/most advanced tech races in the Universe.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I bet Superman has speedblitzed more to win fights than IW blows up peoples brains or Reed uses his time machine to win fights. Truth.

This fight ends in seconds...with the FF Ko'd.