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this is a list of all the characters i think wolverine can beat. feel free to debate:
the blob
punisher
daredevil
captain america
marrow
iron man
hulk
thing
venom
human torch
shiva
slade
bane
scarecrow
joker
batman
riddler
penguin
cyclops
havok
x23
spiderman
elektra
batgirl
classic namor
predator
alien
hammerhead
mysterio
kraven the hunter
midnighter
blade
nick fury
green arrow
hawk eye
beast
gambit
agent x
red skull
wasp
nightcrawler
luke cage

plus: black widow, black cat, black panther, bullseye and kingpin

I thought you said he couldn't beat cyclops, and is carnage on that list, and spiderman,by how many times out of 10?

How would he beat hulk, namor, and Iron man, pray tell.

info on all current powers at: http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm

oh my........you have got to be kidding me half of these guys would cream wolveirne one of which would be slade.....easily

No, Logan can't beat, yes means he can

the blob - no
punisher - yes
daredevil - yes
captain america - yes
marrow - yes
iron man - no
hulk - no
thing - no
venom - no
human torch - no
shiva - yes
slade - yes
bane - yes
scarecrow - yes
joker - yes
batman - yes
riddler - yes
penguin - yes
cyclops - yes
havok - yes
x23 - yes
spiderman - yes
elektra - yes
batgirl - yes
classic namor - no
predator - no
alien - yes
hammerhead - yes
mysterio - yes
kraven the hunter - yes
midnighter - yes
blade - yes
nick fury - yes
green arrow - yes
hawk eye - yes
beast - yes
gambit - yes
agent x - yes
red skull - yes
wasp - yes
nightcrawler - yes
luke cage - yes

Originally posted by grey fox
oh my........you have got to be kidding me half of these guys would cream wolveirne one of which would be slade.....easily

Slade? Not bloody likely!!

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I thought you said he couldn't beat cyclops, and is carnage on that list, and spiderman,by how many times out of 10?

How would he beat hulk, namor, and Iron man, pray tell.
i said he could not beat karate kid, but i never said he would lose to cyclops.

hulk: he nearly killed the hulk in "wolverine #

iron man: can stab through iron and can dodge most of his normal blasts. ironman would not be able to make an atomic explosion because he would kill other people in the process

i already said how he could beat namor

He can't beat cyclops!

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He can't beat cyclops!

CIS on Cyclops would lose to Wolverine

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
iron man: can stab through iron and can dodge most of his normal blasts. ironman would not be able to make an atomic explosion because he would kill other people in the process
But he can't stab through forcefields so Wolverine loses.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
this is a list of all the characters i think wolverine can beat. feel free to debate:
the blob<---Lucky shot.Otheryways, he lose.
punisher<---Punisher can overload his heal factor with so much bullets to make the Vietnam war looking like a luna park and blow up him with C4.
daredevil<---He's dead.
captain america<---Close fight, stalemate maybe.
marrow<---She's going down easy.
iron man<---Logan is dead.
hulk<---See above
thing<---Only a lucky shot can save him here.
venom<---Venom with ease.
human torch<---Wolvie-Burger at table 10 please.
shiva<---Her skills can't counter Logan's power.
slade<---Slade will make him looking like a child.
bane<---Logan wins.
scarecrow<---Why is he here?
joker<---Prep time he wins, otherways he lose.
batman<---see above.
riddler<---see above
penguin<---see above
cyclops<---With range advantage he can win.
havok<---He'll scre Logan.
x23
spiderman<---He beat him more than once.
elektra<---She's going down
batgirl<---See above
classic namor<---The avenging son is going to let Logan taste his power.
predator<---Not sure if adamantium can cut through the metal which Pred's weapons are made of.
alien<---Logan wins.
hammerhead<---Logan.
mysterio<---Only prep time can save him, maybe.
kraven the hunter<---Prep time may give him advantage, but Krave is gonna face a tough hunt, and considering Wolvie is not mercyful it maybe his last hunt.
midnighter
blade<---Close, but Blade can win.
nick fury<---Nick is what Punisher is but with more fighting experience.
green arrow
hawk eye<---He has a chance.
beast<---They stalemate in their last fight before Emma F. stopped them.
gambit<---If he uses in a creative way his powers he wins.
agent x
red skull<---With his recent battle armor he wins.
wasp<---She'll discover her nipples then let Giant Man stomp him
nightcrawler<---Lose
luke cage<---Show Logan who's the pimp Luke!

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, Logan can't beat, yes means he can

the blob - no HE HAS STABBED HIS GUT BEFORE
punisher - yes
daredevil - yes
captain america - yes
marrow - yes
iron man - no CAN CUT THROUGH IRON
hulk - no NEARLY KILLED HIM
thing - no STABBED CLEAN THROUGH HIM
venom - no WOLVERINE CAN STAND FIRE, VENOM CANT
human torch - no CAN WITHSTAND FIRE
shiva - yes
slade - yes
bane - yes
scarecrow - yes
joker - yes
batman - yes
riddler - yes
penguin - yes
cyclops - yes
havok - yes
x23 - yes
spiderman - yes
elektra - yes
batgirl - yes
classic namor - no CAN ONLY LIFT 40 TONS, WOLVERINE HAS FOUGHT WORSE
predator - no PRDATORS SNEAK, WOULD NOT WORK
alien - yes
hammerhead - yes
mysterio - yes
kraven the hunter - yes
midnighter - yes
blade - yes
nick fury - yes
green arrow - yes
hawk eye - yes
beast - yes
gambit - yes
agent x - yes
red skull - yes
wasp - yes
nightcrawler - yes
luke cage - yes

HE NEARLY KILLED THE HULK! HERE IS THE PROOF: http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine_main.html

where's venom getting fire and you did say he'd lose to cyc where's that link.

Iron Man, Hulk, Human Torch and Spider-man are the only one who beat Wolverine the majority of time

EDIT: Add Havok to that also

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
where's venom getting fire and you did say he'd lose to cyc where's that link.
if venom and logan just fought, it would take forever. so wolverine would improvise with some fire. its pretty easy to find some

Sigh, let me find that link....................

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
if venom and logan just fought, it would take forever. so wolverine would improvise with some fire. its pretty easy to find some

Wolverine and Venom have just fought twice and they are 1-1 I believe. The symbiot can be overloaded with damage leaving the host open for attacks and thats what happens.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iron Man, Hulk, Human Torch and Spider-man are the only one who beat Wolverine the majority of time

EDIT: Add Havok to that also

yes it would be the most challenging with these ones, not including havok. he has basically the same powers as cyclops only that the blasts come from his hands. wolverine can dodge

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Sigh, let me find that link....................

logan smokes. all he needs is a match

a full force blast from cyc hit the moon!!

Wolverine would go back, and back, though its fun to imagine wolverine doing so, cyc has handed a team of xmen their ass for breakfast.

Venom can dodge fire, and he's no dummy, sonics and fire hurt logan the same, its not weaker to fire than you or I, but still suspectible non theless.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
yes it would be the most challenging with these ones, not including havok. he has basically the same powers as cyclops only that the blasts come from his hands. wolverine can dodge

Havok emites his blasts in all directions from his body unless he channels it.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
a full force blast from cyc hit the moon!!

Wolverine would go back, and back, though its fun to imagine wolverine doing so, cyc has handed a team of xmen their ass for breakfast.

CIS prevents Cyc from doing that Cordera and you know it

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
a full force blast from cyc hit the moon!!

Wolverine would go back, and back, though its fun to imagine wolverine doing so, cyc has handed a team of xmen their ass for breakfast.
im sry, but he just does not have the guts to use that much energy and actually kill someone. wolverine beats everybody in the danger room all the time. thats one of the reasons why cyclops is jealous. in the danger room, wolverine turned feral and was still able to do a gold medal like routine with his acrobatics and fighting. and yeah, ive seen humans dodge from his blast when fight ing sentinals and logan is far more agile than that

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Venom can dodge fire, and he's no dummy, sonics and fire hurt logan the same, its not weaker to fire than you or I, but still suspectible non theless.

i know, it burns like hell for wolverine, but he can still last far longer than venom can

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Havok emites his blasts in all directions from his body unless he channels it.
i wonder why havok didnt do that in "wolverine: enemy of the state" where logan knocked him down with one slash

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
im sry, but he just does not have the guts to use that much energy and actually kill someone. wolverine beats everybody in the danger room all the time. thats one of the reasons why cyclops is jealous. in the danger room, wolverine turned feral and was still able to do a gold medal like routine with his acrobatics and fighting. and yeah, ive seen humans dodge from his blast when fight ing sentinals and logan is far more agile than that

Logan is a low power x man on the scale of thengs, yes and wolverine can do gold olympic acrobatic feats. He can dodge, but Cyc is way too accurate for that to happen 2x.

Logan beat Jean Grey?

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
i wonder why havok didnt do that in "wolverine: enemy of the state" where logan knocked him down with one slash

Dont always refer to writing, many of spidey's foes are alive, because he let them live.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Logan is a low power x man on the scale of thengs, yes and wolverine can do gold olympic acrobatic feats. He can dodge, but Cyc is way too accurate for that to happen 2x.

Logan beat Jean Grey?

Logan is one of the most dangerous mutants on the block. He can take almost anything you can throw at him and dispite his lack of strength he can still take down opponents with partial invunrability. Even shield rates him as a higher threat level then most others.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Logan is a low power x man on the scale of thengs, yes and wolverine can do gold olympic acrobatic feats. He can dodge, but Cyc is way too accurate for that to happen 2x.

Logan beat Jean Grey?

jean grey? no way. wolverine isnt stupid. and cyclops CIS blocks him from using his full power

Wolverine would not beat half of the people on that list. You are delusional.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even shield rates him as a higher threat level then most others.


thats moslty because he is more lethal then others, not necessaraly more powerful....he can be out thought, and out muscled (like by ironman)

wolverine nearly killed the hulk: http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine_main.html (#145)

can stand with iron man:http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine249.jpg

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
jean grey? no way. wolverine isnt stupid. and cyclops CIS blocks him from using his full power

he could defeat him and KILL him, but cyclops doesn't need full power to defeat him at all, Wolverine beats cyke 1/10 agreed?

S-rank , C-master why bother trying to explain why wolverine would lose 'wolverienfan' is obviously a wolverine fanboy and thus we wont be able to beat him in a debate because his answer will only be 'because wolverine can'

(not trying to be offensive but it's the truth)

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
he could defeat him and KILL him, but cyclops doesn't need full power to defeat him at all, Wolverine beats cyke 1/10 agreed?

Cyclops has in his power the ability to beat Woverine 10 times out of 10 but since Wolverine is a team mate, a freind... and not a robot he wont be cutting lose. The power Cyclops usually puts out wont get him a win, infact I'm pretty sure I recall Wolverine wading throw Cyc's standard blast before.

Standard Cyc gets 4 0ut of 10 against Wolverine IMO.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wolverine would not beat half of the people on that list. You are delusional.
be sure to look at all the links i gave and all the stuff i posted before calling me delusional

can stand with ironman? all ironman needs to do is fly........and hulk?? what the heck wolvie is cool but he should never be able to hang with the hulk.....hes the freaking hulk..........if writers are too dumb to actually use a characters powers and let them get beat by people they shouldnt get beat by the its not the characters fault....ironman has to much weaponry to defeat him...hulk is to strong and dense and his healing factors better.....and a bunch of other people here to can win....cyke could win, its all based on range though.....

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
this is a list of all the characters i think wolverine can beat. feel free to debate:
wolverine's chances from 1to 10, or poor to great
the blob: 1
punisher:7
daredevil:8
captain america:6
marrow:4
iron man:.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
hulk:. 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
01
thing:5
venom:2
human torch:2
shiva:fair
slade:3
bane:8
scarecrow:8
joker:7
batman:5
riddler:8
penguin:8
cyclops:.01 with no CIS
havok:2
x23:6
spiderman: 3 or 4 depends on CIS
elektra:6
batgirl:7
classic namor:3
predator:5
alien:6
hammerhead:fair
mysterio:7
kraven the hunter:9
midnighterk
blade:5
nick fury:6
green arrow:4
hawk eye:4
beast:8
gambit:8
agent xk
red skull:7
waspk
nightcrawler:3 depends on CIS
luke cage k


VERDICT: decent by writing, poor by logic .

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
be sure to look at all the links i gave and all the stuff i posted before calling me delusional

so far you have only posted a wolveirne fan site and a link to wolverine beating on the hulk

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
wolverine nearly killed the hulk: http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine_main.html (#145)

can stand with iron man:http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine249.jpg

Wolverine nearly killed the Hulk...Nearly. Namor and Iron Man have actually defeated Hulk...

One pic doesn't prove that Wolverine will defeat Iron Man. Let's see what your strategy for Wolverine beating Iron Man was:

"Wolverine can dodge."

Yeah...he can't dodge anything that Iron Man fires at him. He is not Spider-Man, you know...Iron Man would beat Wolverine so easy that it would not be even funny. Hulk can punch Wolverine to the next state. So can Namor and Thing. Cyclops and Havok would do this to Wolverine, leaving only an skeleton. Human Torch would do the same. Spider-Man would have An good chance with Wolverine, I think that he would win 6/10.

Wolverine would most likely beat others on your list.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cyclops has in his power the ability to beat Woverine 10 times out of 10 but since Wolverine is a team mate, a freind... and not a robot he wont be cutting lose. The power Cyclops usually puts out wont get him a win, infact I'm pretty sure I recall Wolverine wading throw Cyc's standard blast before.

Standard Cyc gets 4 0ut of 10 against Wolverine IMO.

by writing perhaps, by logic not really, but seriously he even socked it to him up close.

Originally posted by grey fox
S-rank , C-master why bother trying to explain why wolverine would lose 'wolverienfan' is obviously a wolverine fanboy and thus we wont be able to beat him in a debate because his answer will only be 'because wolverine can'

(not trying to be offensive but it's the truth)

wolverine can win because its the truth! look at my links: http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm
http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine249.jpg
http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine_main.html (#145)

and also read enemy of the state. he stabbed clean through thing

the Blob<---Wolvie pancakes anyone?
Punisher<---What K3VIL said.
Daredevil<---is screwed.
Captain America<---"Heal this!" *wacks with shield*
Marrow<---loses.
Ironman<---zzzzap!!!
cyclops<--- "
Hulk<---smash little yellow man.
Venom<---They have fought. Venom beat him like 3 out of 4.
Human Torch<---
Thing<---see Hulk.
Shiva<--- unbalanced fight.
Elektra<---"
Batgirl<---"
Black Cat<---"
Bane<---Puh-lease.
Scarecrow<---"
joker<---"
riddler<--- "
penguin<--- "
batman<---Needs prep time and access to tactical nuke. Oh wait...
Spiderman<--- Spidey has beat him more then once.
Predator<--- Can be beat by normal humans, but does Logan have the smarts to outwit them?
Alien<---"
Hammerhead<---Goin down.
Mysterio<---The fish need a new place to live.
Kraven the Hunter<--- Might consider a career change...
Blade<---a toss up.
Nick Fury<---S.H.I.E.L.D. takes him out.
Beast<---Toss up.
Gambit<---"
nightcrawler<---Best bamf out...
Luke Cage<---see Fury and Punisher.

I CAN beat up bruce lee, just not likely.

You must use logic in a slew of bad writing.

Wolverine can't do a single thing to the Blob unless he can get his feet off the ground, which he has done before but he ussually has a whole team to distract him while he does it.

Wolverine beating venom makes no sense, it was a poor matchup

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wolverine nearly killed the Hulk...Nearly. Namor and Iron Man have actually defeated Hulk...

One pic doesn't prove that Wolverine will defeat Iron Man. Let's see what your strategy for Wolverine beating Iron Man was:

"Wolverine can dodge."

Yeah...he can't dodge anything that Iron Man fires at him. He is not Spider-Man, you know...Iron Man would beat Wolverine so easy that it would not be even funny. Hulk can punch Wolverine to the next state. So can Namor and Thing. Cyclops and Havok would do this to Wolverine, leaving only an skeleton. Spider-Man would have An good chance with Wolverine, I think that he would win 6/10.

Wolverine would most likely beat others on your list.

wolverine has an adamantium skeleton. it would not shatter and besides, cyclops lazer is not even heat based

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
wolverine can win because its the truth! look at my links: http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm
http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine249.jpg
http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine_main.html (#145)

and also read enemy of the state. he stabbed clean through thing

Sure, he can win...

He just wouldn't.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
wolverine has an adamantium skeleton. it would not shatter and besides, cyclops lazer is not even heat based

I didn't say that his skeleton wouldn't shatter...I said that it would be the only thing left.

Cyclops's blasts are impact based. Imagine Class 30 force hitting every part in your body. They would be affected unless you have superhuman durablity.

You're getting alot of attention, wait till Nataku sees this.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine can't do a single thing to the Blob unless he can get his feet off the ground, which he has done before but he ussually has a whole team to distract him while he does it.

oh please! wolverine can stab clean through his gut, maybe crawling inside his stomach and come back out with his heart

Do you know about the blob?

How old are you?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine beating venom makes no sense, it was a poor matchup

Not really that bad, the symboits have been show the overload once the take to much damage exposing the host and Wolverine is a master of dishing out damage. Venom and Wolverine fights are great in the comics, very brutal and can go either way.

Besides the one with Nightmare had fantastic art! Forget who the artist is but I think it was the guy who drew the Maxx, my favourite looking Wolverine (in his costume at least).

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
wolverine can win because its the truth! look at my links: http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm-No useful info
http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine249.jpg-just a punch
http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine_main.html (#145)-wolverien fan site

and also read enemy of the state. he stabbed clean through thing-thing is made of rock and is one of the most downplayed characters in marvle of course wolverine can stab through him!

So all in all nothing concrete , a picture of ONE punch on ironman , a site with hardly any real info on wolverine and a fan site

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I didn't say that his skeleton wouldn't shatter...I said that it would be the only thing left.

Cyclops's blasts are impact based. Imagine Class 30 force hitting every part in your body. They would be affected unless you have superhuman durablity.

class 30 force is a walk in the park for him, considering he has survived class 100 punches from the hulk and was still concious

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
oh please! wolverine can stab clean through his gut, maybe crawling inside his stomach and come back out with his heart

Do you know what the Blob's powers are?

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
class 30 force is a walk in the park for him, considering he has survived class 100 punches from the hulk and was still concious

Yes, but all his flesh, organs and muscles would be removed...

Leaving him dead.

Originally posted by grey fox
So all in all nothing concrete , a picture of ONE punch on ironman , a site with hardly any real info on wolverine and a fan site

too arrogant to even read the fan site huh? issue #145 tells why he didnt kill the hulk when he had the chance. and go to marvel.com. it has stats on every character on my list

Wolverine has beaten the Hulk more then once but that is crap. I could by it if the Hulk was just a strong guy with partial invunrability... but his healing factor is insane! He has healed from a basicly skeleton in like 8 seconds.

That makes some sense about wolverine beating venom, but if he went at him like he does spidey I don't see him coming out on top.

How'd they meet again in the version you mentioned.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you know what the Blob's powers are?
yes and its nothing wolverine cant handle. he's pierced through tougher things

List them, its not about the characters threat, but the characters opponent.

ex: electro isnt' a high class villian, but would whoop wolverine 10/10 don't you agreee.

No, he'll probably says that "Wolverine could dodge his blasts".

You make it seem like he won't listen to reason.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
too arrogant to even read the fan site huh? issue #145 tells why he didnt kill the hulk when he had the chance. and go to marvel.com. it has stats on every character on my list

yeah actually i did read the fan site...... and it still didn't back up any of your claims the only thing that made that site worthwhile was the sound quotes and the savage wolverine picture

You staying persistent despite the insults eh?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
That makes some sense about wolverine beating venom, but if he went at him like he does spidey I don't see him coming out on top.

How'd they meet again in the version you mentioned.

Nightmare decided to mess around with Wolverine and Venom to trick them into releasing him into the realworld.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You staying persistent despite the insults eh?

who me

Yea you, good job.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
im sry, but he just does not have the guts to use that much energy and actually kill someone. wolverine beats everybody in the danger room all the time. thats one of the reasons why cyclops is jealous. in the danger room, wolverine turned feral and was still able to do a gold medal like routine with his acrobatics and fighting. and yeah, ive seen humans dodge from his blast when fight ing sentinals and logan is far more agile than that

Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Straight from the forum rules, buddy.

As to all the Batman villains, if he was put in the same situations as Batman usually is, Wolverine dies pretty quickly. Cuz most of them involve gadgets and brains to get out of, both of which Wolvie's a bit lacking in. Not really fair to just put them in a straight up fight, that's not what those guys DO.

Oh, and definitely don't put Wolverine against people who both have substantial range abilities and can fly at the same time... Logan doesn't have superhuman dodges, he gets hit plenty. Anyone who can kill him in one blast probably will. Everything on Wolverine besides the bones are pretty typical for an athletic human.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yea you, good job.

Thanks

I meant to say that , great post.

Who cares he enarly killed Hulk, Hulk immedatiely recovered. Logan is nothing to Hulk, think objectivly.

Exactly use your common sense.

How will he beat penguin???

Yep, with that umbrella and waddle, he's nigh invincible.

Can wolverine beat akuma, bison, and ryu??

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Exactly use your common sense.

don't waste your time answering... die hard fanboys cannot be reasoned with

you think he's a fanboy???

What was your first clue?

Wait you think he is to, why???????

Dark Phoenix decides to eat the sun. Galactus decides to eat the Earth. Wolverine stabs them both and wins. Yay the world is saved.

When did he say this.

Wolverine can beat phoenix, 10x of 10 dont ya know, I mean he REGENERATES!!!

You think he is a fanboy as well

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You think he is a fanboy as well

Yes. I concur
New term FIS: fanboy induced stupidity.

Can you come up with proof to make that a conclusion to this debate using previous examples

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Can you come up with proof to make that a conclusion to this debate using previous examples

Forgive my cluelessness but... Huh?

One day ill be a comic book writer and ill do only ONE job for marvel.It will be a ages 18+ 300 page GN where various characters take turns beatting up Wolverine in front of his fans then brutally sodomizing him in a hilarious and comical manner

Of course its nothing personal against Wolverine just the fans

Sodomizing......... lol

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Forgive my cluelessness but... Huh?

Can you shut him up, by using the crap he's come up with.

His name and the list of sheer lunacy are two for a start. I remember another thread where he tried in vain to argue that Namor would lose to Wolverine... yeh that'll happen

The only reason writers let Wolvie win all the time, and why he somehow manages to be in all the teams simultaneously and his own solo title is cos he's a big fat cash cow. I don't particularly like/dislike Wolverine but he's just too overrated and overexposed.

Man if i said that I'd sound like a wolverine hater, you seem logical.

How many times do you see wolverine against spiderman out ot 10

4 max. Spidey's faster, stronger, more agile and more intelligent, and he has range and his spidey sense, both of which Wolverine lacks completely. Wolvie only has the edge in experience since he's wayyyy older.

agreeable, you show a great lack of biased that I like

Thx, but I don't lack bias completely. I just don't let any bias I may have cloud my judgement. I deeply dislike the idiotic bias of illogical fans that just think their favourite is going to win with no reasoning behind it.

BATMAN=GOD!!!

heeheehee

Whats with you and batman, we all know kirby takes him

hell no purple man can take wolverine

Wolverine says........................... hi.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Can wolverine beat akuma, bison, and ryu??

No. Far too fast, too strong, too powerful. They are also better fighters.

someone seems t think so...................

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
yes it would be the most challenging with these ones, not including havok. he has basically the same powers as cyclops only that the blasts come from his hands. wolverine can dodge
Havok can emit his plasma in omnidirectional way.

yes he can....but he'll be totally spent..it's a gamble doing that against logan who may or may not go down depending on how his healing factor is doing...

Originally posted by Xplosive
Who cares he enarly killed Hulk, Hulk immedatiely recovered. Logan is nothing to Hulk, think objectivly.

is that why wolverine as fought him to a standstill or beat him more times than he has lost against hulk?

Wolverine WINS! I TOLD YOU JINZIN! HE WINS EVERYTIME!!

well i mean...I guess if he's wearing those damned superpants that allowed him to take a nuke at ground zero......he can take anybody!

He's got it like that.

THa wolvigod, not gtu hultign, you fols dnt ya c hs git drp on Galalkus.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine says........................... hi.

that picture is very misleading, because in the next few pages, wolverine was able to push his claws against his head and break loose

Originally posted by jinzin
is that why wolverine as fought him to a standstill or beat him more times than he has lost against hulk?

im with u all the way. by the way, have u read wolverine #145? it has all the proof that wolverine could have literally killed the hulk. of course, all of these other posters are too arrogant to go to my link

Elsewhere, Wolverine is summoned by his "master" to destroy the Incredible Hulk, because according to his "master", the Hulk was a "blemish on the higher cause both serve, a mistake born of man's arrogance and infatuation with science." As he runs off to do his master's bidding, he suddenly remembers a flashback to the past: when he was captured and presented by the Skrull to his captor (now, his "master". Wolverine's senses recognizes this man as "En Sabah Nur", and the man complements on Wolverine's instinct for survival, and how Logan was now going to fulfill his lifelong destiny.

Back to the present, as Death (Wolverine) locates the Incredible Hulk rampaging through a wooden valley. The Hulk, whose one desire was to be left alone, is ambushed and attacked by Death. The two battles it out.

Slipping back to the past, Wolverine, being held captive, is brought into a grand arena where his captor (the "master" was waiting. Proclaiming to Logan that his destiny now awaits, Logan finds himself attacked by Sabretooth (who, as you recall, now has an adamantium skeleton and nail claws). A very nasty battle begins between the two in the arena.

Back to the present, where Hulk and Death was still dueling it out: Hulk with his brute strength and violent attacks, Death with his huge sabre and more skilled attacks. Death says that the Hulk is weak, which, according to Death, the world has no place for the weak with the new order that was coming. Death continues to skillfully attack with his sabre until the Hulk was able to grab the sabre, pull Death close to him, and placed Death in a bone-crushing bear hug.

Flashback to the past, where a very bloody battle was still going on between Sabretooth and Wolverine. During their fight, Sabretooth reveals to Wolverine that Apocalpyse was returning, but his horsemen would ride first, and Sabretooth and Wolverine were to duel it out, the victor to become the horsemen known as Death. At this point, Wolverine snaps, and goes on the offense against Sabretooth. Despite his adamantium skeleton, Sabretooth's guts were still vulnerable to Wolverine's attacks. Wolverine realizes that if Sabretooth ever became Apocalypse's horseman known as Death, Sabretooth would easily succumb to the programming and do whatever Apocalypse wanted Death to do. But, if Wolverine, himself, could defeat Sabretooth, he, at least, would have a better chance to fight the programming that he'd receive if he became the horseman known as Death, and perhaps ultimately prevail over the programming and prevent Death from causing widespread death. Wolverine defeats Sabretooth.

To the present, where Death breaks out of Hulk's bear hug with a head butt to Hulk's head. Hulk suddenly remembers who Death is: as Wolverine, when Wolverine had first attacked him and since then, had always "hounds" Hulk everywhere the Hulk went. Tearing out a huge tree from the ground, with Death on the ground, the Hulk smashes the tree into Death (laying on the ground) with the force of a destructive explosion.

Back to the past: Wolverine and Sabretooth are hooked up onto a machine which was de-adamantium-nizing Sabretoth and rebonding that adamantium to Wolverine's skeleton. Sabretooth protests that he was better and stronger than Wolverine, but all their "master" cared about was who survived the encounter, and thus, that person deserved to have the adamantium more.

To the present, where somehow, Death unsheathes his claws and bursts out of the ground. He injures Hulk, who goes on a rampage and continues to bash Death, who retaliates with the adamantium claws, injuring the Hulk. Hulk suddenly falls to Death's mercy, but somehow, Death hesistates for a second before delivering the final blow to kill the Hulk, thinking twice about doing it. This split second allows Hulk to break lose, smashing Death to the ground, while he makes his getaway. Hulk disappears, and Wolverine is transported back to the temple, where now, it is revealed that Apocalypse lives, and although Death and Hulk fought to a standstill, Apocalypse proclaims that there were still many more fights to be fought as the new age ... the Age of Apocalypse ... was to return.

if it was not for wolverine hesitating, hulk would no longer be here

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
this is a list of all the characters i think wolverine can beat. feel free to debate:
the blob
punisher
daredevil
captain america
marrow
iron man
hulk
thing
venom
human torch
shiva
slade
bane
scarecrow
joker
batman
riddler
penguin
cyclops
havok
x23
spiderman
elektra
batgirl
classic namor
predator
alien
hammerhead
mysterio
kraven the hunter
midnighter
blade
nick fury
green arrow
hawk eye
beast
gambit
agent x
red skull
wasp
nightcrawler
luke cage

forgot one last person: the wendigo

There's a whole thread that says why Cyclops can beat Logan, there's even a little cartoon drawn by Swanky...

Read it...

and why would Cyclops be jealous of a dirty, smelly, hairy little runt?

Originally posted by pr1983
There's a whole thread that says why Cyclops can beat Logan, there's even a little cartoon drawn by Swanky...

Read it...

and why would Cyclops be jealous of a dirty, smelly, hairy little runt?

im sry, but cyclops does not have the guts. doesnt matter how mad he gets, he wont kill wolverine. plus, wolverine can block the blast with his claws or his adamantium head..........no brain damage would happen, just some tissue damage, which wolverine can heal

i saw in a punisher comic where the punisher blew off all the skin off of logan's face, leaving only his eyes, mouth and skull. he was able to heal from that obviously, considering that he is still walking around today

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
im sry, but cyclops does not have the guts. doesnt matter how mad he gets, he wont kill wolverine. plus, wolverine can block the blast with his claws or his adamantium head..........no brain damage would happen, just some tissue damage, which wolverine can heal

are you kidding me?

cyclops has plenty of reasons to kill logan, and if push came to shove he'd have no qualms about killing him...

and just so you know, half of logans organs arent protected by his adamantium skeletion, cyclops would turn them to mush...

wolverine = roadkill...

the fact that you have the hulk, iron man and namor on that list doesnt say alot for your comic knowledge...

There are two holes in his adamantium skeleton where his eyes are and they lead directly to his brain. Cyclops can very easily kill Logan if he aims right and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't.

Wolvifan look for a girlfriend, spent the time with her instead here posting stupid posts about Wolverine and how he can beat everyone.

Originally posted by Arahan
Wolvifan look for a girlfriend, spent the time with her instead here posting stupid posts about Wolverine and how he can beat everyone.

u first ******* ! everything i say is reasonable, u arejust too arrogant to think that a wolverine fan might actually have some intelligence! and **** all of u for thinking that we are stupid and do not have any logic because we do and we got all the proof we need to show u people that everyone on that list is getting their ass kicked by the 5 foot killer known as wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u pieces of @#$$%&**((*&%$#@!@##$%%$#@.............

Originally posted by pr1983
are you kidding me?

cyclops has plenty of reasons to kill logan, and if push came to shove he'd have no qualms about killing him...

and just so you know, half of logans organs arent protected by his adamantium skeletion, cyclops would turn them to mush...

wolverine = roadkill...

the fact that you have the hulk, iron man and namor on that list doesnt say alot for your comic knowledge...

look stupid, have u even looked at any of the proof i have shown that wolverine would kill the hulk? i didnt think so. and dont tell me things i already know about wolverine! i know everything about him. ive seen him blasted lots of times by cyclops and all it does is make him pissed and annoyed

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There are two holes in his adamantium skeleton where his eyes are and they lead directly to his brain. Cyclops can very easily kill Logan if he aims right and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't.

wouldnt happen if wolverine was in a head butt position, showing only his forehead and hair. the adamantium would take most of the damage and although his skin will be blasted off, he will heal. he has done it before when the punisher blasted his face away

They have different powers Cyclops fires beams of force, Havok fires waves of superheated plasma (fourth state of matter found around the corona of the sun).

So they're two different scenarios. Havok would melt the flesh and organs off Wolverine. Cyclops would tear it off by force.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They have different powers Cyclops fires beams of force, Havok fires waves of superheated plasma (fourth state of matter found around the corona of the sun).

So they're two different scenarios. Havok would melt the flesh and organs off Wolverine. Cyclops would tear it off by force.

no. havok is not super fast so wolverine can dodge and cyclops blast is only a 30 ton force. not that impressive

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
look stupid, have u even looked at any of the proof i have shown that wolverine would kill the hulk? i didnt think so. and dont tell me things i already know about wolverine! i know everything about him. ive seen him blasted lots of times by cyclops and all it does is make him pissed and annoyed

name calling eh? so mature... i saw your reasoning, and if youo so blindly follow comics without using a little common sense, its not my problem...

if you'd seen that then you'd also have seen cyclops literally leave him in pieces...

and cyclops has only rarely used full power, if he did on logan, logan would die...

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
wouldnt happen if wolverine was in a head butt position, showing only his forehead and hair. the adamantium would take most of the damage and although his skin will be blasted off, he will heal. he has done it before when the punisher blasted his face away

then cyclops would blast his legs...

if havok used full force, his energy would be spent. and would if he was to miss while aiming at wolverine? what then? same with cyclops. his energy will fade eventually

Originally posted by pr1983
name calling eh? so mature... i saw your reasoning, and if youo so blindly follow comics without using a little common sense, its not my problem...

if you'd seen that then you'd also have seen cyclops literally leave him in pieces...

and cyclops has only rarely used full power, if he did on logan, logan would die...



then cyclops would blast his legs...

nothing else to say but name call if u wont listen to anything i say. wolverine will heal from it. he will heal even faster if he is in a feral state. see, when someone fights, they get adrenaline which speeds up everything. it speeds up the healing for wolverine

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
if havok used full force, his energy would be spent. and would if he was to miss while aiming at wolverine? what then? same with cyclops. his energy will fade eventually

do you have any idea how long it takes? and not forgetting cyclops troubled quicksilver he was so accurate?

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
nothing else to say but name call if u wont listen to anything i say. wolverine will heal from it. he will heal even faster if he is in a feral state. see, when someone fights, they get adrenaline which speeds up everything. it speeds up the healing for wolverine

i know all this, and i did read, so its not my problem... i also know that cyclops can blast his organs, he wont just fire wildly, he'll systematically disable him...

you've engendered this reaction with that list...

If I recall Wolverine's hand was blasted off completely in AoA by Cyke. The tissues of the hand aren't much different to those anywhere else.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
if havok used full force, his energy would be spent. and would if he was to miss while aiming at wolverine? what then? same with cyclops. his energy will fade eventually

Havok can't miss, you idiot. His blast is omnidirectional...so unless Wolverine can teleport, he is dead.

Neither can Cyclops. In Astonishing X-Men he made blast so wide it evaporated the whole forest...

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
that picture is very misleading, because in the next few pages, wolverine was able to push his claws against his head and break loose

Yea and thats crazy considering Wolverine really cant even get out of handcuffs.

Cyclops full force blast has nailed the moon, he would hit wolverine and he would go back and back and back, and back some more.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
im sry, but cyclops does not have the guts. doesnt matter how mad he gets, he wont kill wolverine. plus, wolverine can block the blast with his claws or his adamantium head..........no brain damage would happen, just some tissue damage, which wolverine can heal
He can be defeated and killed, spidey can rip the organs,making that skeleton obsolete, if wolverine is pinned under a bus, he loses, and wolverine cannot block cyclops blast, cyclops was whooping him in hand to hand already, wolverrine cant regeneratie brain cells, cyclops wouldn't kill wolverine and thats because of Xavier.


Wolverine was written to beat magneto, surely you don't believe that?

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
u first ******* ! everything i say is reasonable, u arejust too arrogant to think that a wolverine fan might actually have some intelligence! and **** all of u for thinking that we are stupid and do not have any logic because we do and we got all the proof we need to show u people that everyone on that list is getting their ass kicked by the 5 foot killer known as wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u pieces of @#$$%&**((*&%$#@!@##$%%$#@.............

Why are you calling me names? I'm the LAST person you want to annoy, I didn't even say anything, but I'm going to let this go, its obvious why you aren't getting any feedback, I can battle odds like this and get a better understanding because I use my words right and don't name call.

Just tell me who you think can beat wolverine?

ok I'm gonna argue for what I know about. Predator. I'm not well versed in most others on that list though there's no way wolvies beating hulk.

But to the point just because a predator stalks doesnt mean it won't work against wolverine. Predators live for centuries. All they do is kill stuff. Their entire life revolves around the hunt. And the clan leaders and high ups are damn tough. As in they can take 5-10 aliens sometimes more at the same time. A good clan of maybe a dozen can bust their way into a hive filled with thousands capture a queen and walk out. It's no cake-walk but its been done. So any talented pred can certainly mess wolverine up.

Next wolverines sense of smell etc mean nothing. You think a creature that spends all its time hunting things across the galaxy have never come upon something with a much superior sense of smell. It's a hunter. Wolverine will never smell it coming.

Now for arguements purposes we're going to say that said predator is up there. One of the best because it would be a dumb fight to throw in one of the cocky young headstrong preds that don't live past their first couple hunts. Hell we'll say its Dachande in question. This dude killed an alien with his bare hands. When fighting aliens to show off for his students he only used spear and wristblades.

Now then there's equipment. There's quite a range. Plasmacastor, burners, disc, spear, net gun wristblades, plasma pistol. Who knows what else. Point is there's many things the pred could do. Remember its stronger and faster than wolverine. It could use the castor and take out vital organs because the plasma has some nasty splashing effects. Same for the pistol. We don't know if the pred could cut him up or not. We don't know how tough the metals are. I know a disc can cut through several inches of steel without dulling the blade but who knows.
Point is that pred takes it at least 7/10

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
u first ******* ! everything i say is reasonable, u arejust too arrogant to think that a wolverine fan might actually have some intelligence! and **** all of u for thinking that we are stupid and do not have any logic because we do and we got all the proof we need to show u people that everyone on that list is getting their ass kicked by the 5 foot killer known as wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u pieces of @#$$%&**((*&%$#@!@##$%%$#@.............

Dude.. take a chill pill... you'll give yourself an aneurysm. (Some chlorpromazine/clozapine/risperidol would probably take away those Wolverine-is-all-powerful delusions.)

The reason no ones taking you seriously is because you're not listening to logic or reason, or providing any for anyone else to listen to. I and others don't dispute that Wolverine can and has won in fights against tough opponents (Although I don't accept PIS and CIS as proof, he can't ever die in the comics because that would be like the Marvel execs throwing millions of dollars into a giant toilet and flushing it away). You on the other hand are being closed minded to the very reasonable arguments given to you and the fact that Wolverine can lose.. and that he can lose to (a lot of) the people on your list.

Thank you, shit like that will get you nowhere especially at these odds.

Wolvifan you are strange....didnt you get enough love from your parents?

Wolvi has good chances to beat a Predator.

Can he beat Superman, I recalled someone saying he did.

This is why comic book readers have a bad rep.

And why noone likes die hard wolverine fanboys.

Originally posted by WOLVERINEFAN
u first ******* ! everything i say is reasonable, u arejust too arrogant to think that a wolverine fan might actually have some intelligence! and **** all of u for thinking that we are stupid and do not have any logic because we do and we got all the proof we need to show u people that everyone on that list is getting their ass kicked by the 5 foot killer known as wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u pieces of @#$$%&**((*&%$#@!@##$%%$#@.............


Your very angry, aggressive and silly Wolvie is more than 5 foot . Calm down mate your making a dick of yourself relax!

Originally posted by ChaoticReign
ok I'm gonna argue for what I know about. Predator. I'm not well versed in most others on that list though there's no way wolvies beating hulk.

But to the point just because a predator stalks doesnt mean it won't work against wolverine. Predators live for centuries. All they do is kill stuff. Their entire life revolves around the hunt. And the clan leaders and high ups are damn tough. As in they can take 5-10 aliens sometimes more at the same time. A good clan of maybe a dozen can bust their way into a hive filled with thousands capture a queen and walk out. It's no cake-walk but its been done. So any talented pred can certainly mess wolverine up.

Next wolverines sense of smell etc mean nothing. You think a creature that spends all its time hunting things across the galaxy have never come upon something with a much superior sense of smell. It's a hunter. Wolverine will never smell it coming.

Now for arguements purposes we're going to say that said predator is up there. One of the best because it would be a dumb fight to throw in one of the cocky young headstrong preds that don't live past their first couple hunts. Hell we'll say its Dachande in question. This dude killed an alien with his bare hands. When fighting aliens to show off for his students he only used spear and wristblades.

Now then there's equipment. There's quite a range. Plasmacastor, burners, disc, spear, net gun wristblades, plasma pistol. Who knows what else. Point is there's many things the pred could do. Remember its stronger and faster than wolverine. It could use the castor and take out vital organs because the plasma has some nasty splashing effects. Same for the pistol. We don't know if the pred could cut him up or not. We don't know how tough the metals are. I know a disc can cut through several inches of steel without dulling the blade but who knows.
Point is that pred takes it at least 7/10

HAHAHA! Don't kid your self, Broken Tusk is the only pred that has a chance in hell against Wolverine.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Can he beat Superman, I recalled someone saying he did.

Wolverine888 and black wolverine have both said that. The only people that surpass WOLVERINEFAN in fanboyness...

What did they say about him beating cosmic spidy:

" Spideys a pusy, his comic poerd wont lte him beat wolverine, you biatch"

Notice the only thing they spell right is wolverine.

Baloney a great predator, would wipe the floor with him, in fact spidey is like an ailen without claws, but webs super strengh and precog.

I'd say the average predator wolverine can beat, but not a hero, wolverin would get murdered in an ailen nest.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
What did they say about him beating cosmic spidy:

" Spideys a pusy, his comic poerd wont lte him beat wolverine, you biatch"

Notice the only thing they spell right is wolverine.

Actually, mostly they spell Wolverine as "wolverien".

No, seriously.

Nevermind, that takes the cake there.

Wolverienfan