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About Phoenix (Taken from the handbook)

Born of the void between states of being, the Phoenix Force is a child of the universe. In the dying moments of the previous universe, dirived from the psyches of all living beings. In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force. However, in order to manifest itself on the physical plane, the Force must tap into the near limitless source of energy provided by life-force reserved for future generations, thus denying them existance.

So the Phoenix force is limited to the life force of 1 Universe.

About Krona in JLA/ Avengers

Krona was also the main villain in the DC/Marvel JLA/Avengers mini-series. In it, apparently still an entropy-being, he destroyed several Universes while trying to discover the secret of universal creation. Arriving in the Marvel Universe, Krona agrees to a cosmic game with En Dwi Gast, the Grandmaster. Two teams, one from each universe would seek out items of power, including the Ultimate Nullifier, the Infinity Gems and Kyle Raynar's Power Battery. When Gast's heroes, the JLA won, Krona attacked the Grandmaster, despite the best efforts of the JLA and the Avengers to stop him. He finally obtained his secret from the cosmic entity Galactus. Krona then continued his onslaught to destroy both the Marvel and DC universes in order to create a new one, so that he could watch creation first-hand, but the heroes managed to stop him, imprisoning him into a "cosmic egg" from which a universe will be born in about a trillion years. Since this story was part of a special publication by two separate comic book companies, it would not usually be considered canon, but this is a rare case in which it has become canon: the cosmic egg later reappeared in the pages of JLA.

Krona destroys all the "lifeforce in Universes" rather easily absorbing that energy. As JLA avengers is canon Krona can be considered a Phoenix eater. He certainly punked Galactus far more easily than any Phoenix avatar. Now...........................

The power of destruction and "many universes" v the "lifeforce of unborn generations".



Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Krona uses a lot of people as pawns, right?
He's just calls in the Cosmic Bunny first. Fight over.

Originally posted by roughrider
Krona uses a lot of people as pawns, right?
He's just calls in the Cosmic Bunny first. Fight over.

Agreed the Bunny owns all

the bunny would own phoenix then krona............

Originally posted by thesilverspider
the bunny would own phoenix then krona............

he would indeed

Then reed lights a cigar from Phoenix's remains......

Originally posted by thesilverspider
Then reed lights a cigar from Phoenix's remains......

I see this happening

if the goblin force has proven capable of devouring the pf of a universe, krona, who is enormously powerful, should likely be able to do something similar. though i suspect ONE person may not agree . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
if the goblin force has proven capable of devouring the pf of a universe, krona, who is enormously powerful, should likely be able to do something similar. though i suspect ONE person may not agree . . .

Yes where is that one disagreeable individual.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yes where is that one disagreeable individual.

I'm here you fools.....................




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Originally posted by thesilverspider
I'm here you fools.....................




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not you the other on

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
About Phoenix (Taken from the handbook)

Born of the void between states of being, the Phoenix Force is a child of the universe. In the dying moments of the previous universe, dirived from the psyches of all living beings. In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force. However, in order to manifest itself on the physical plane, the Force must tap into the near limitless source of energy provided by life-force reserved for future generations, thus denying them existance.

So the Phoenix force is limited to the life force of 1 Universe.

About Krona in JLA/ Avengers

Krona was also the main villain in the DC/Marvel JLA/Avengers mini-series. In it, apparently still an entropy-being, he destroyed several Universes while trying to discover the secret of universal creation. Arriving in the Marvel Universe, Krona agrees to a cosmic game with En Dwi Gast, the Grandmaster. Two teams, one from each universe would seek out items of power, including the Ultimate Nullifier, the Infinity Gems and Kyle Raynar's Power Battery. When Gast's heroes, the JLA won, Krona attacked the Grandmaster, despite the best efforts of the JLA and the Avengers to stop him. He finally obtained his secret from the cosmic entity Galactus. Krona then continued his onslaught to destroy both the Marvel and DC universes in order to create a new one, so that he could watch creation first-hand, but the heroes managed to stop him, imprisoning him into a "cosmic egg" from which a universe will be born in about a trillion years. Since this story was part of a special publication by two separate comic book companies, it would not usually be considered canon, but this is a rare case in which it has become canon: the cosmic egg later reappeared in the pages of JLA.

Krona destroys all the "lifeforce in Universes" rather easily absorbing that energy. As JLA avengers is canon Krona can be considered a Phoenix eater. He certainly punked Galactus far more easily than any Phoenix avatar. Now...........................

The power of destruction and "many universes" v the "lifeforce of unborn generations".



Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Ignore the bio above peeps. Whirly has edited the original contents to suit his anti phoenix stance. Its not how its presented in the handbook at all and his statements are intentionally false. Dont be fooled.

Phoenix wins

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ignore the bio above peeps. Whirly has edited the original contents to suit his anti phoenix stance. Its not how its presented in the handbook at all and his statements are intentionally false. Dont be fooled.

Phoenix wins

I have not put everything in but nothing is false, these are all statements from the handbook.



Krona destroys Universes

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I have not put everything in but nothing is false, these are all statements from the handbook.



Krona destroys Universes

so does phoenix...............

to throw in a bonus she also creates them aswell..........

Originally posted by thesilverspider
so does phoenix...............

to throw in a bonus she also creates them aswell..........

Nope the Phoenix cycle is it creates and destroys one universe, each universe has a Phoenix Force according to the handbook. It even mentions the Phoenix Force of the previous Universe. So....... and Krona takes the energy (Phoenixes lifeforce) with him as he goes. He is a phoenix eater. But then Universal Entropy is what will end universes in reality.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I have not put everything in but nothing is false, these are all statements from the handbook.



Krona destroys Universes

Youve mixed up the sentences and edited the contents in a way which as aforementioned suits your stance. Post the original bio Whirly.

Krona may destroy universes but that isnt a problem to a being that isnt merely universal.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youve mixed up the sentences and edited the contents in a way which as aforementioned suits your stance. Post the original bio Whirly.

Krona may destroy universes but that isnt a problem to a being that isnt merely universal.

I have edited it. But mixed up nothing. Are any of the statements not from the handbook? No, So have I lied? No.

You don't like it because I have posted salient points.

Krona destroys the Phoenix Force, thats what he does, eats Universes, JLA/Avengers is cannon. He eats them for breakfast.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nope the Phoenix cycle is it creates and destroys one universe, each universe has a Phoenix Force according to the handbook. It even mentions the Phoenix Force of the previous Universe. So....... and Krona takes the energy (Phoenixes lifeforce) with him as he goes. He is a phoenix eater. But then Universal Entropy is what will end universes in reality.

Theres one Phoenix Consciousness which manifests into reality as the Big Bangs which create each reality. The Phoenix from the previous universe is the same Phoenix we all know and love. Notice it says reborn in the Big Bang. Not created.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I have edited it. But mixed up nothing. Are any of the statements not from the handbook? No, So have I lied? No.

You don't like it because I have posted salient points.

Krona destroys the Phoenix Force, thats what he does, eats Universes, JLA/Avengers is cannon. He eats them for breakfast.

Nope. You have sentences from the history section mixed up with the powers section my friend. Please dont make me post the bio to show you up as a liar.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres one Phoenix Consciousness which manifests into reality as the Big Bangs which create each reality. The Phoenix from the previous universe is the same Phoenix we all know and love. Notice it says reborn in the Big Bang. Not created.

It may well be the same "Universal" Phoenix Force Krona would eat

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It may well be the same "Universal" Phoenix Force Krona would eat

Why is the Phoenix Manifestation just universal? Each manifestations duties are focused on one universe however theres nothing stating that its power is.

The white crown Phoenix for example held 616 in her hand and manipulated its sub atomic structure telekinetically.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I have edited it. But mixed up nothing. Are any of the statements not from the handbook? No, So have I lied? No.

You don't like it because I have posted salient points.

Krona destroys the Phoenix Force, thats what he does, eats Universes, JLA/Avengers is cannon. He eats them for breakfast.

Since you've dropped the subject I take it you're admitting to your deceit?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Since you've dropped the subject I take it you're admitting to your deceit?

Uh no deciet, show me where I've posted anything not stated. As for not answering immediatly I leave you to do that .

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Uh no deciet, show me where I've posted anything not stated. As for not answering immediatly I leave you to do that .

You mixed up sentences from two seperate sections (leaving a misleading paragraph which supported your claims about the Phoenix Force) whilst leaving out sentences which support my view. How very deceitful my friend.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You mixed up sentences from two seperate sections (leaving a misleading paragraph which supported your claims about the Phoenix Force) whilst leaving out sentences which support my view. How very deceitful my friend.

I edited- post the original to disprove my point it won't. It's all true. No deceit please don't insult me. I gave an opinion. I will post it again.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I edited- post the original to disprove my point it won't. It's all true. No deceit please don't insult me. I gave an opinion. I will post it again.

Oh please. Now who's playing the victim. You mixed around the bios sections and conveniently left out sentences which conflicted with your views. In this way the posted bio gave a different interpretation to the one to be found in the original. You then highlighted points from your heavily edited bio and made false statements on the nature of the Phoenix not based on the official bio but with your edited version in mind. That was deceitful. Im sorry you felt you had to resort to that.

pheonix another reconned over powered being and to think in one issue it was eaten by the goblin force and in another almost by Galactus

Originally posted by Mider
pheonix another reconned over powered being and to think in one issue it was eaten by the goblin force and in another almost by Galactus

Galactus has never ever nearly eaten Phoenix. Rachel agreed to letting him seperate the force from her because she knew she risked the life of the planet if she refused and decided to battle him. Galactus started the process and then ended it when he realised that all life is dependent on Phoenix and that he would be dooming 616, making it a void "wherein exists not the smallest potential for life."A void where Glaactus would eventually die himself.

Anyway leave her alone shes my baby lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus has never ever nearly eaten Phoenix. Rachel agreed to letting him seperate the force from her because she knew she risked the life of the planet if she refused and decided to battle him. Galactus started the process and then ended it when he realised that all life is dependent on Phoenix and that he would be dooming 616, making it a void "wherein exists not the smallest potential for life."A void where Glaactus would eventually die himself.

Yup Phoenix depends on people

The handbook

Dirived from the psyches of all living beings. In it's natural state, this life-cycle is enough to sustain the Force. However, in order to manifest itself on the physical plane, the Force must tap into the near limitless source of energy provided by life-force reserved for future generations, thus denying them existance.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm


Anyway leave her alone shes my baby lol.