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1. random encounter. If Monarch's armor is breached Tyrant wins i.e. doesn't matter if he survives the explosion afterwards.

2. if you say Tyrant wins... does he survive the blasts afterwards?

do you feel surfer + BRB + gladiator + JoH + morg + ganymede represent a greater power than 52 different versions of captain atom + numerous supermen + a handful of GL's? because monarch owned the latter with an extreme degree of ease. and physically, thanos seemed to give tyrant a good match. do you feel thanos is physically stronger than superboy prime ?

either way, i feel very confident in saying that whoever wins the first scenario, does so after a very close battle. as far as the second scenario is concerned, nothing i've seen is suggestive of tyrant being able to survive a universe-busting explosion.

Tyrant did have to fight Morg or Terrax because they were fight each other.

Originally posted by Galan007
do you feel surfer + BRB + gladiator + JoH + morg + ganymede represent a greater power than 52 different versions of captain atom + numerous supermen + a handful of GL's? because monarch owned the latter with an extreme degree of ease. and physically, thanos seemed to give tyrant a good match. do you feel thanos is physically stronger than superboy prime ?

either way, i feel very confident in saying that whoever wins the first scenario, does so after a very close battle. as far as the second scenario is concerned, nothing i've seen is suggestive of tyrant being able to survive a universe-busting explosion.

Are you taking about that fight with thanos with the Orb of all the power Tyrant was collecting for himself? Then it would be hard to judge because nobody knows exactly how much power was in the orb.

Originally posted by Galan007
do you feel surfer + BRB + gladiator + JoH + morg + ganymede represent a greater power than 52 different versions of captain atom + numerous supermen + a handful of GL's? because monarch owned the latter with an extreme degree of ease. and physically, thanos seemed to give tyrant a good match. do you feel thanos is physically stronger than superboy prime ?

either way, i feel very confident in saying that whoever wins the first scenario, does so after a very close battle. as far as the second scenario is concerned, nothing i've seen is suggestive of tyrant being able to survive a universe-busting explosion.

Hey Galan I hope all is well on your end these days. Now onto your questions..

I don't necessarily feel like the aforementioned team is more powerful one then 52 said Captain Atoms, GL's etc etc. However, that is all that Tyrant faced and he did so very very easily. For all we know there could've been 10 more of each and it wouldn't have mattered. I guess what I'm saying is that just because Monarch beat more people doesn't mean that Tyrant couldn't have beaten more heralds and with ease as well. The comics just didn't show it that way. However, I am of the opinion that SS, BRB, Morg or Glads alone are more powerful than One Captain Atom and certainly way more powerful than the GL fodder Monarch owned. So, my question back to you is this.. Do you feel as I do that Surfer for example is great than one Atom? Second part, how many atoms would it take to beat one surfer in your opinion?

Also, Tyrant basically had Galactus beat... they exchanged blasts & blows, blows that were actually make Tyrant stronger. So, Galactus got worried his normal and usual attack to put people down was failing. He then resorted to another tactic which again backfired and had Tyrant at the brink of beating Galactus with relative ease as you say. So, I could then pose that question to you... Do you think Monarch or SBP could beat a WELL FED and PREPPED Galactus with ease? Tyrant took it to him and had him beat until morg showed up. People hate the fight but it wasn't PIS or CIS. Galactus is very arrogant and rarely ever preps or feeds before battle. He didn't want to fight Tyrant the first time and let him take Morg because he feared what would be left after their fight. Clearly, Galactus felt Tyrant was a big threat to him even in his Depowered state, and thus Fed and prepped for the encounter. Yet Tyrant still owned him with ease.

Now your question about Thanos and Prime... I wouldn't say Thanos is stronger than Prime but I would say they are peers. As we've discussed before I think they are a very good match. Both very strong, very durable... One with a speed advantage and the other with versatility advantage. So, I'm of the opinion that Thanos is just as strong as prime. While Thanos did give Tyrant a good match in a sense it was also clear he wasn't in his league. He locked up and Thanos stalemated him for a bit, which is impressive, but then Tyrant manhandled him such that I haven't really seen before. To build on that point... Thanos left and said had he stayed Tyrant would've killed him. So, my question back to you is this... How do you feel a Odin vs. Monarch match would go? To build on that... Odin faced Thanos and went panel after panel with an Odin out to kill him. Yet, while Thanos was losing the fight... he never backed down and refused to give up and wanted to keep fighting. He faced Tyrant, and the fight was much shorter. Yet, thanos looked more messed up, and he admitted he needed to leave or he would die. So, it seems to me that at least, Thanos felt Tyrant was stronger. So, I guess what I'm saying is do you feel Monarch is that much stronger that Odin?

Lastly, could he survive the blast.. you say you've seen nothing to suggest he could survive a universal destroying blast. Well my friend he survived the initial blast of the UN which as you know can be a Multiversal destroying blast. It took multiple shots from the UN to put him down. So, yes I think he's shown he's more than capable of possibly surviving such a blast imo. Ooooo and by the way... I agree whoever does win, does so after a long hard battle. Totally agree. Thanks for the response Galan.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Are you taking about that fight with thanos with the Orb of all the power Tyrant was collecting for himself? Then it would be hard to judge because nobody knows exactly how much power was in the orb.

I'm under the opinion as are others that Thanos was at his base level. All that was in the orb was knowledge not any power increase. So, really that was Thanos just testing his might against a powerful foe.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm under the opinion as are others that Thanos was at his base level. All that was in the orb was knowledge not any power increase. So, really that was Thanos just testing his might against a powerful foe.

really. I always assumed it was power, again Thanos' always thirst for knowledge so perhaps your right.. I should really look at the whole DP tyrant arch again to refresh my memory.


Hey Kurupt, you make some good points. Anyway I think this would be a pretty good fight.

I think in Scenario 2, DP would be KTFO but still with a pulse.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Hey Galan I hope all is well on your end these days. Now onto your questions..

I don't necessarily feel like the aforementioned team is more powerful one then 52 said Captain Atoms, GL's etc etc. However, that is all that Tyrant faced and he did so very very easily. For all we know there could've been 10 more of each and it wouldn't have mattered. I guess what I'm saying is that just because Monarch beat more people doesn't mean that Tyrant couldn't have beaten more heralds and with ease as well. The comics just didn't show it that way. However, I am of the opinion that SS, BRB, Morg or Glads alone are more powerful than One Captain Atom and certainly way more powerful than the GL fodder Monarch owned. So, my question back to you is this.. Do you feel as I do that Surfer for example is great than one Atom? Second part, how many atoms would it take to beat one surfer in your opinion? imo, monarch owned the teams of characters i mentioned earlier, with an even greater degree of ease than tyrant owned the marvelites *shrug*. regardless, getting into the "he could have owned more" guessing game is a moot - i'm talking about who they did own, and how easily they owned those respective teams.

is surfer greater than a single captain atom? perhaps. how many atoms' would it take to defeat surfer? i'm not going there.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Also, Tyrant basically had Galactus beat... they exchanged blasts & blows, blows that were actually make Tyrant stronger. So, Galactus got worried his normal and usual attack to put people down was failing. He then resorted to another tactic which again backfired and had Tyrant at the brink of beating Galactus with relative ease as you say. So, I could then pose that question to you... Do you think Monarch or SBP could beat a WELL FED and PREPPED Galactus with ease? tyrant fared as well as he did against galactus because he feeds on the very same energy type galactus emits in his offensive blasts thus, every blast galactus unleashed actually empowered tyrant - not to mention that tyrant further increased his power by leeching 'BSE' from taa II itself. so based on that, i highly doubt he was capable of defeating galactus at his 'base levels'.

anyhow, monarch does not emit that specific energy type. his blasts would actually harm tyrant, they certainly wouldn't boost his power. thus, tyrant would not be at 'galactus-busting' levels in this battle.

as for your question: damn near any character able to feed on 'BSE' would be capable of mimicking tyrant's 'feat'. imo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lastly, could he survive the blast.. you say you've seen nothing to suggest he could survive a universal destroying blast. Well my friend he survived the initial blast of the UN which as you know can be a Multiversal destroying blast. It took multiple shots from the UN to put him down. So, yes I think he's shown he's more than capable of possibly surviving such a blast imo. i beg to differ.

a.) the UN is only universal/multiversal in the right hands

b.) the blast morg initially hit tyrant with was NOT a full UN blast however, when tyrant was hit with a true UN blast , he was utterly destroyed.

that said, i still can't see him surviving scenario #2.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ooooo and by the way... I agree whoever does win, does so after a long hard battle. Totally agree. Thanks for the response Galan.

Monarch wins.

Yeah, I say Monarch wins. The characters he defeated are stronger then the character DP Tyrant defeated. Not to mention, he beat them easier.

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Originally posted by Galan007
imo, monarch owned the teams of characters i mentioned earlier, with an even greater degree of ease than tyrant owned the marvelites *shrug*. regardless, getting into the "he could have owned more" guessing game is a moot - i'm talking about who they did own, and how easily they owned those respective teams.

is surfer greater than a single captain atom? perhaps. how many atoms' would it take to defeat surfer? i'm not going there.

tyrant fared as well as he did against galactus because he feeds on the very same energy type galactus emits in his offensive blasts thus, every blast galactus unleashed actually empowered tyrant - not to mention that tyrant further increased his power by leeching 'BSE' from taa II itself. so based on that, i highly doubt he was capable of defeating galactus at his 'base levels'.

anyhow, monarch does not emit that specific energy type. his blasts would actually harm tyrant, they certainly wouldn't boost his power. thus, tyrant would not be at 'galactus-busting' levels in this battle.

as for your question: damn near any character able to feed on 'BSE' would be capable of mimicking tyrant's 'feat'. imo.

i beg to differ.

a.) the UN is only universal/multiversal in the right hands

b.) the blast morg initially hit tyrant with was NOT a full UN blast however, when tyrant was hit with a true UN blast , he was utterly destroyed.

that said, i still can't see him surviving scenario #2.



Yes, Monarch owned the CA's and fodder Laterns with ease.. Yet my friend, when he faced his toughest foe.. SBP he lost. So, I don't get all this talk about how easy things were. IMO SBP and Thanos are a very good match. Difference is.... Thanos got messed up and fled before Tyrant killed him. Words from his own mouth and that is saying a lot coming from Thanos. Monarch faced Prime... and lost. Granted its SBP and thus he has the supermanesque aura. Regardless, though it certainly wasn't AS easy as Tyrant beat... SS, Morg, Terrax, BRB, Glads, JOH, Thanos and Galactus.

Next, it wasn't just the fact that Tyrant could feed on those energies that made Galactus concerned. Lets remember... Galactus was shocked when Tyrant pulled that little trick where Galactus own blasts were making him stronger. So, its safe to say he had no idea Tyrant could or would do such a thing. To build on that... Galactus backed down from the first encounter and let him take Morg because he feared how much collateral damage would take place had he fought. He prepped and Fed for a battle that he knew was tough. Surfer's own words... I must go there as quickly as possible BEFORE THEY BOTH DESTROY EACHOTHER. Surfer had no idea Tyrant could do this and yet seems very clear how much of a threat Tyrant posed. So, to say that is the reason why he was able to do good and the only reason is selling Tyrant short. Galactus feared Tyrant and prepped and fed because he knew he was a worth adversary, not because he knew Tyrant could absorb his blasts and make him stronger.

Lastly, your missing one key factor.. First, while you say it wasn't a "true" UN blast.. that is fine.. Yet we don't know and can't calculate how powerful it was. Second, we know that the UN is capable of destroying and has destroyed the Multiverse. Monarch explosion.. is only universal. Maybe you can see where I'm going... It is possible that even a "not perfect" UN blast could still be equivalent or greater than a universal destroying blast. Afterall, we know one is exponentially greater than the other. So, IMO it is certainly possible he could survive the blast.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, I say Monarch wins. The characters he defeated are stronger then the character DP Tyrant defeated. Not to mention, he beat them easier.

So, do tell JL.. Your saying... 52 Atoms, Fodder GL's etc are greater than SS, BRB, Glads, JOH, Morg, Terrax, Thanos & Galactus? Sorry not even close. Monarch's toughest test was against Prime who he LOST TO. Tyrant best tests were against Thanos and Galactus who.. he beat and made flee.. and was about to beat before Morg showed up. Regardless, how on earth do you figure he beat tougher foes and easier?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, do tell JL.. Your saying... 52 Atoms, Fodder GL's etc are greater than SS, BRB, Glads, JOH, Morg, Terrax, Thanos & Galactus? Sorry not even close. Monarch's toughest test was against Prime who he LOST TO. Tyrant best tests were against Thanos and Galactus who.. he beat and made flee.. and was about to beat before Morg showed up. Regardless, how on earth do you figure he beat tougher foes and easier?
First of, what are you talking about. Tyrant never fought Thanos and Glactus, or any one else on your list at the same time. He fought them separately. From what I remember, he fought a few high Herald levels and he owned them nice. Though, it's not as much compared to how Monarch fought his opponents. He easily defeated a few Superman and 52 other Atoms. He didn't even flinch. He took 2 Supermen and 3 Wonder Women at the same time. Again without flinching. He even was fighting 3 Green Lanterns; their attack was nothing to him. Then he fought a group consisting of Superman, Firestorm/Captain Atom, Starman, Stargirl, Blue Beetle, Flash, One of Forerunners race, Wonder Woman, They Ray, And Apollo. I think he owned them without getting hit whatsoever.

Yes, you are right, he did lose to Superman. However, you act as if Superman Prime with the Guardian Amp is weak and nothing compared to Tyrant. You are wrong. I give Prime the win over Tyrant. Either way, Monarch wasn't fighting Prime at his highest. He highly underestimated him. He probably mistook him for a regular Superman. And we have seen what a regular Superman is to Monarch. Monarch was fighting Prime, but he was making fun of him and laughing at him. Obviously, he had a grave mistake. Either way, Prime was physically powerful enough to rip Monarch Armor open. Tyrant might be able to do it, but he won't get the chance. Prime who we know has a high durability was getting hurt badly by Monarch's blast. He even commented that it hurt him a lot.

Monarch for the majority.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
First of, what are you talking about. Tyrant never fought Thanos and Glactus, or any one else on your list at the same time. He fought them separately. From what I remember, he fought a few high Herald levels and he owned them nice. Though, it's not as much compared to how Monarch fought his opponents. He easily defeated a few Superman and 52 other Atoms. He didn't even flinch. He took 2 Supermen and 3 Wonder Women at the same time. Again without flinching. He even was fighting 3 Green Lanterns; their attack was nothing to him. Then he fought a group consisting of Superman, Firestorm/Captain Atom, Starman, Stargirl, Blue Beetle, Flash, One of Forerunners race, Wonder Woman, They Ray, And Apollo. I think he owned them without getting hit whatsoever.

Yes, you are right, he did lose to Superman. However, you act as if Superman Prime with the Guardian Amp is weak and nothing compared to Tyrant. You are wrong. I give Prime the win over Tyrant. Either way, Monarch wasn't fighting Prime at his highest. He highly underestimated him. He probably mistook him for a regular Superman. And we have seen what a regular Superman is to Monarch. Monarch was fighting Prime, but he was making fun of him and laughing at him. Obviously, he had a grave mistake. Either way, Prime was physically powerful enough to rip Monarch Armor open. Tyrant might be able to do it, but he won't get the chance. Prime who we know has a high durability was getting hurt badly by Monarch's blast. He even commented that it hurt him a lot.

The point is... how can anybody say Monarch owned things with a greater amount of ease than Tyrant when Monarch in actuality LOST. You can say it was overconfidence and you can spin it however you want. Fact is, he lost and therefore nothing was easier than what Tyrant did. Tyrant has NO bad showings.. NONE. He fought tougher people than Monarch and still never lost. He ended up getting defeated by multiple UN blasts, but that is hardly what I would call "losing" a fight. It matters not if Tyrant fought them ALL at once... The fact is he faced tougher competition in Thanos and Galactus alone and had the upper hand in both. Monarch faced... a lot of CA, Superman, GL fodder and a host of others that Galactus could problem one shot all at the same time. Prime is greater than Tyrant.. lol. Based on what? Prime has no armor to open up on Tyrant.. Tyrant has cosmic awareness and Prime is still weak to Red Sun. Not to mention again the versatility edge Tyrant would hold. Tyrant physically manhandled Thanos after a initial good battle such that Thanos hasn't had done to him before. Yes, we are talking about Thanos who is peers imo with Prime strength wise. Of course with Thanos holding the versatility and overall power edge over prime. I'm just using those two because they are far greater than anyone Monarch faced. That is without even going into the high heralds he beat that again are better than any of the CA's, GL's, WW etc etc. The point is.. it was Tyrant who fought the tougher competition and had no bad showings and did so with greater ease, not Monarch.

Still haven't seen proof of Tyrants cosmic awareness.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Still haven't seen proof of Tyrants cosmic awareness.

I ask you again... Show me one time Galactus has used his CA to scan an enemy for weakness as Surfer did to Glads. Show me when this has happened.... Fact is, just because Galactus hasn't done that doesn't mean he can't. Afterall, SS has but a fraction of the PC that Galactus does, so its a pretty safe assumption Galactus can. Tyrant on the other hand... was made in Galactus image and has much much more PC than SS, again a safe assumption he can as well.

Well in my opinion unless Tyrant has done so on panel we can't assume he will do so in a forum battle then again thats just using common sense..

Originally posted by iceman24567
Well in my opinion unless Tyrant has done so on panel we can't assume he will do so in a forum battle then again thats just using common sense..

Ummm actually that is exactly what your NOT using. Common sense tells us both Galactus and Tyrant probably can. So, then your saying Galactus has no CA powers as surfer does since he hasn't displayed this on panel.. Interesting theory... that lacks common sense...

Right so here on forums you would give Tyrant the win over Prime using cosmic awareness that he has never used before? For your info Galactus has used cosmic awareness before.

Monarch wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The point is... how can anybody say Monarch owned things with a greater amount of ease than Tyrant when Monarch in actuality LOST. You can say it was overconfidence and you can spin it however you want. Fact is, he lost and therefore nothing was easier than what Tyrant did. Tyrant has NO bad showings.. NONE. He fought tougher people than Monarch and still never lost. He ended up getting defeated by multiple UN blasts, but that is hardly what I would call "losing" a fight. It matters not if Tyrant fought them ALL at once... The fact is he faced tougher competition in Thanos and Galactus alone and had the upper hand in both. Monarch faced... a lot of CA, Superman, GL fodder and a host of others that Galactus could problem one shot all at the same time. Prime is greater than Tyrant.. lol. Based on what? Prime has no armor to open up on Tyrant.. Tyrant has cosmic awareness and Prime is still weak to Red Sun. Not to mention again the versatility edge Tyrant would hold. Tyrant physically manhandled Thanos after a initial good battle such that Thanos hasn't had done to him before. Yes, we are talking about Thanos who is peers imo with Prime strength wise. Of course with Thanos holding the versatility and overall power edge over prime. I'm just using those two because they are far greater than anyone Monarch faced. That is without even going into the high heralds he beat that again are better than any of the CA's, GL's, WW etc etc. The point is.. it was Tyrant who fought the tougher competition and had no bad showings and did so with greater ease, not Monarch.
Again! You are acting as if Prime is weak. The dude breaks Barriers with his fist alone. He tanks Universal attacks and lives to tell the tale. He takes on the most powerful opponents like Monarch, (That wizard), and laughs at them.

I don't know where you get the Thanos is a peer with Prime. They are close when it comes to fight, but Prime with the GA is above Thanos. You can spin it all YOU want, but from what I've seen, Thanos hasn't broken barrier of any sort. He isn't as fast, nor is he as durable. IN my opinion, Prime with GA>Tyrant, or Thanos. For pity's sake, he took a hit that would kill a Guardian. He even took a universal blast. He himself defeated about 32 lanterns in a matter of seconds. And you have the audacity to say he is weak???

You also compare the fight with Prime and Monarch to Tyrant and Thanos. Need I remind you how the fight went. Monarch's armor was breached. He was shocked. That's NOT something he would allow if he knew what Prime was capable of. He clearly underestimated him. Also, wasn't Galactus weakened with that fight against Tyrant? Didn't he own him later on?

Also, what does Prime's weakness got to do with this fight. yeah Tyrant "might" have CA, but he never used it. Hell if you are going to say he can use it, then Prime can use the same attack that Superman used against DS. The counter-Vibration. That would kill Tyrant in one second. Guess what? he ain't going to use it because he never has done it. He doesn't have the option and the ability to do it, but he doesn't. Just like Tyrant with his CA.

Against Prime, versatility doesn't help. When has it worked?? Red Sun radiation failed more often then not. Magic never worked, Energy blast just get him bad. It takes a huge amount of power to hurt him. Then we got the speed problem. He is easily faster then Tyrant.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The point is... how can anybody say Monarch owned things with a greater amount of ease than Tyrant when Monarch in actuality LOST. You can say it was overconfidence and you can spin it however you want. Fact is, he lost and therefore nothing was easier than what Tyrant did. Tyrant has NO bad showings.. NONE. He fought tougher people than Monarch and still never lost. He ended up getting defeated by multiple UN blasts, but that is hardly what I would call "losing" a fight. It matters not if Tyrant fought them ALL at once... The fact is he faced tougher competition in Thanos and Galactus alone and had the upper hand in both. Monarch faced... a lot of CA, Superman, GL fodder and a host of others that Galactus could problem one shot all at the same time. Prime is greater than Tyrant.. lol. Based on what? Prime has no armor to open up on Tyrant.. Tyrant has cosmic awareness and Prime is still weak to Red Sun. Not to mention again the versatility edge Tyrant would hold. Tyrant physically manhandled Thanos after a initial good battle such that Thanos hasn't had done to him before. Yes, we are talking about Thanos who is peers imo with Prime strength wise. Of course with Thanos holding the versatility and overall power edge over prime. I'm just using those two because they are far greater than anyone Monarch faced. That is without even going into the high heralds he beat that again are better than any of the CA's, GL's, WW etc etc. The point is.. it was Tyrant who fought the tougher competition and had no bad showings and did so with greater ease, not Monarch. Monarch in actuality LOST

he didnt lose. he stalemated, and he stalemated PRIME. Prime is physically no joke. and he showed to be atleast equal to him. I think depowered tyrant falls to prime

Originally posted by iceman24567
Right so here on forums you would give Tyrant the win over Prime using cosmic awareness that he has never used before? For your info Galactus has used cosmic awareness before.

Good then you can provide the scans of him scanning an enemy for a weakness in a battle situation and finding his weakness. GO

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Good then you can provide the scans of him scanning an enemy for a weakness in a battle situation and finding his weakness. GO Nah thats not what i typed nor what i thought you meant. Either way Tyrant scanning Prime for weaknesses isn't only out of character but it can't be supported by on panel feats.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Again! You are acting as if Prime is weak. The dude breaks Barriers with his fist alone. He tanks Universal attacks and lives to tell the tale. He takes on the most powerful opponents like Monarch, (That wizard), and laughs at them.

I don't know where you get the Thanos is a peer with Prime. They are close when it comes to fight, but Prime with the GA is above Thanos. You can spin it all YOU want, but from what I've seen, Thanos hasn't broken barrier of any sort. He isn't as fast, nor is he as durable. IN my opinion, Prime with GA>Tyrant, or Thanos. For pity's sake, he took a hit that would kill a Guardian. He even took a universal blast. He himself defeated about 32 lanterns in a matter of seconds. And you have the audacity to say he is weak???

You also compare the fight with Prime and Monarch to Tyrant and Thanos. Need I remind you how the fight went. Monarch's armor was breached. He was shocked. That's NOT something he would allow if he knew what Prime was capable of. He clearly underestimated him. Also, wasn't Galactus weakened with that fight against Tyrant? Didn't he own him later on?

Also, what does Prime's weakness got to do with this fight. yeah Tyrant "might" have CA, but he never used it. Hell if you are going to say he can use it, then Prime can use the same attack that Superman used against DS. The counter-Vibration. That would kill Tyrant in one second. Guess what? he ain't going to use it because he never has done it. He doesn't have the option and the ability to do it, but he doesn't. Just like Tyrant with his CA.

Against Prime, versatility doesn't help. When has it worked?? Red Sun radiation failed more often then not. Magic never worked, Energy blast just get him bad. It takes a huge amount of power to hurt him. Then we got the speed problem. He is easily faster then Tyrant.

Show me at any point where I said Prime was weak? I never said Prime was weak and actually called him Monarch's best opponent. I like Prime as a character and never once said nor claimed he was weak. What I did dispute and prove was that Monarch certainly did nothing "easier" than Tyrant did. You can never do something easier when you get KILLED in a one v one encounter. DP Tyrant has no such showings and never lost one not one vs. battle he fought. So, again.. I disputed your claim that Monarch fought tougher people and did so easier. That has been proven false. It was actually Tyrant who fought tougher people and never once lost. Need I remind you... Galactus would probably one shot the "team" that Monarch wrecked. When you add up who they fought.. Tyrant clearly fought the tougher opposition and did so with relative ease.

For the record and the scans are available. Galactus WAS NOT weak and actually fed on a planet that had him say he hadn't felt this good in very long time. He knew the battle was coming i.e. where the prep came in. So, Tyrant had on the ropes a Well-Fed and Prepped Galactus.

Red sun actually did work and yes not as well as with regular superman but it did contain him for awhile. Also remember who else survived that universal destroying blast via shields? Prime wasn't the only one. Regardless, this isn't Prime vs. DP Tyrant. This is Tyrant vs. Monarch. Your reasoning that Monarch had tough opposition and did so easier was false as I've shown It was Tyrant who faced the tougher competition and did so with ease.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah thats not what i typed nor what i thought you meant. Either way Tyrant scanning Prime for weaknesses isn't only out of character but it can't be supported by on panel feats.

Ummm how can you say you weren't sure what I meant. I laid it out very clearly in our earlier discussion. I said SS has scanned an enemy using CA yet Galactus never has. By your theory then, since Galactus has never done that he can't. Although common sense tells us Galactus more certainly should be able to being that SS only has a fraction of Galactus power. By that same token Tyrant was made to be Galactus equal and in his image.. again someone with considerably more PC than SS.. yet he can't as well. Nah I don't buy it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm how can you say you weren't sure what I meant. I laid it out very clearly in our earlier discussion. I said SS has scanned an enemy using CA yet Galactus never has. By your theory then, since Galactus has never done that he can't. Although common sense tells us Galactus more certainly should be able to being that SS only has a fraction of Galactus power. By that same token Tyrant was made to be Galactus equal and in his image.. again someone with considerably more PC than SS.. yet he can't as well. Nah I don't buy it. Dude relax i skimmed threw what you wrote and i was kinda in the sky you know . I understand exactly what you mean but you can't give him a win on wishful thinking not on here that just isn't fair it's like saying Barry Allen can do whatever anybody connected to the speed force can do because he's the avatar of the speedforce like giving him Wally's speed stealing ability. Like i said unless you can prove he is capable of such things on panel you can't give him a majority solely based on your speculation.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Dude relax i skimmed threw what you wrote and i was kinda in the sky you know . I understand exactly what you mean but you can't give him a win on wishful thinking not on here that just isn't fair it's like saying Barry Allen can do whatever anybody connected to the speed force can do because he's the avatar of the speedforce like giving him Wally's speed stealing ability. Like i said unless you can prove he is capable of such things on panel you can't give him a majority solely based on your speculation.

Fair Enough man. I do get what your saying..I guess its just a different take on things. By the way, I wasn't giving him the win based on said tactic. I just personally think its an option but don't feel we would even have to do that. Just my opinion

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Show me at any point where I said Prime was weak? I never said Prime was weak and actually called him Monarch's best opponent. I like Prime as a character and never once said nor claimed he was weak. What I did dispute and prove was that Monarch certainly did nothing "easier" than Tyrant did. You can never do something easier when you get KILLED in a one v one encounter. DP Tyrant has no such showings and never lost one not one vs. battle he fought. So, again.. I disputed your claim that Monarch fought tougher people and did so easier. That has been proven false. It was actually Tyrant who fought tougher people and never once lost. Need I remind you... Galactus would probably one shot the "team" that Monarch wrecked. When you add up who they fought.. Tyrant clearly fought the tougher opposition and did so with relative ease.

For the record and the scans are available. Galactus WAS NOT weak and actually fed on a planet that had him say he hadn't felt this good in very long time. He knew the battle was coming i.e. where the prep came in. So, Tyrant had on the ropes a Well-Fed and Prepped Galactus.

Red sun actually did work and yes not as well as with regular superman but it did contain him for awhile. Also remember who else survived that universal destroying blast via shields? Prime wasn't the only one. Regardless, this isn't Prime vs. DP Tyrant. This is Tyrant vs. Monarch. Your reasoning that Monarch had tough opposition and did so easier was false as I've shown It was Tyrant who faced the tougher competition and did so with ease.
My fault, I though you said he was weak.

Regardless, you still view Prime with the GA inferior to Thanos. That's what I don't get. I am going to need those scans.

Red Sun works to a point. Prime has gone though a red star and landed on a planet. Without injury. If you don't call that resistance I don't know what to say.

Also, this will turn into a Prime vs Tyrant because you view Prime weaker then anyone Tyrant fought. That's false! Well, that's my opinion

Originally posted by xJLxKing
My fault, I though you said he was weak.

Regardless, you still view Prime with the GA inferior to Thanos. That's what I don't get. I am going to need those scans.

Red Sun works to a point. Prime has gone though a red star and landed on a planet. Without injury. If you don't call that resistance I don't know what to say.

Also, this will turn into a Prime vs Tyrant because you view Prime weaker then anyone Tyrant fought. That's false! Well, that's my opinion

So, you view GA Prime as stronger than Galactus? I certainly don't and thus yes Tyrant certainly faced tougher competition. I think GA Prime is a little above Thanos. I feel Thanos would give him a great fight but in the end GA Prime would probably be too much. However, reg. prime I feel is peers with Thanos and it could go either way. So, I'm not getting where your saying I feel Thanos is above GA Prime. What I do feel is that Galactus is above ANYONE Monarch faced. I feel tha Thanos is just as powerful or close to it, as the toughest person Monarch fought (Prime). Then you have SS, Glads, BRB, Morg, Terrax who I feel are above CA's, WW, GL Fodder etc etc. Point is JL... Monarch certainly didn't fight tougher competition and beyond a shadow of a doubt did nothing easier when he actually got KILLED.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Show me at any point where I said Prime was weak? I never said Prime was weak and actually called him Monarch's best opponent. I like Prime as a character and never once said nor claimed he was weak. What I did dispute and prove was that Monarch certainly did nothing "easier" than Tyrant did. You can never do something easier when you get KILLED in a one v one encounter. DP Tyrant has no such showings and never lost one not one vs. battle he fought. So, again.. I disputed your claim that Monarch fought tougher people and did so easier. That has been proven false. It was actually Tyrant who fought tougher people and never once lost. Need I remind you... Galactus would probably one shot the "team" that Monarch wrecked. When you add up who they fought.. Tyrant clearly fought the tougher opposition and did so with relative ease.

For the record and the scans are available. Galactus WAS NOT weak and actually fed on a planet that had him say he hadn't felt this good in very long time. He knew the battle was coming i.e. where the prep came in. So, Tyrant had on the ropes a Well-Fed and Prepped Galactus.

Red sun actually did work and yes not as well as with regular superman but it did contain him for awhile. Also remember who else survived that universal destroying blast via shields? Prime wasn't the only one. Regardless, this isn't Prime vs. DP Tyrant. This is Tyrant vs. Monarch. Your reasoning that Monarch had tough opposition and did so easier was false as I've shown It was Tyrant who faced the tougher competition and did so with ease.

Like I said, I want to see those scans of Galactus being well fed. Also, you admitted that Galactus' blast were powering Tyrant up. That's a huge advantage. Nevertheless, Prime is completely different. He is mostly physical and doesn't have attacks that Tyrant can be powered up.

Just because a man with Kryptonite killed Superman doesn't mean he'll be able to kill Superman's foe who don't share the save advantages or disadvantage.

Regardless, Prime has proven he is faster, stronger(with punches), and more durable then anyone Tyrant fought. They might be close but they aren't the same. So it's perfectly acceptable for someone like Monarch to lose against Prime. After all, he is physically strong enough to rip the armor apart. Top it off, with the fact that Monarch underestimated, and taunted Prime all fight.

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Tyrant wins.

Monarch easily
Tyrant is nothing to a guy that had 52 monitors $hitting themselves

your long responses make me have to read... and i HATE reading. uhuh

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well I did agree that Monarch was jobbing some. The reason why I brought it up was because you and others were saying Monarch beat tougher competition and easier. What I'm pointing out that... when you lose a one v. one battle against your toughest foe.. that can hardly constitute doing anything easier. He got killed. Whatever the reason.. it certainly wasn't an easy fight and certainly not easier than how Tyrant did in battle.

So, again my friend I brought that up because that was your reasoning for giving Monarch the win.. because he faced tougher people and did so easier.. Imo that isn't true. jobbing some? he jobbed throughout the better majority of the battle. stevie wonder could see that his non-PIS battles during "arena" were vastly different from his jobbed-up battle against prime in "countdown".

oh and i never once gave monarch the win. just stated reasons why he'd put up a good fight

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
My point here is this... You were saying the only reason Tyrant did well was because Galactus own blasts were powering him up. Yes I agree that is a reason he did well. However, what I'm saying is that also isn't looking at what transpired on panel. Galactus didn't know Tyrant could do that.. Yet he still prepped and feed before the battle. He still commented that he didn't want to fight Tyrant because nothing would be left after. Surfer still commented that he need to go there before they both killed each other. Neither knew Tyrant could do that and yet going by on panel words and actions still viewed him as a big threat was my point. i never said the 'only' reason tyrant fared well was because of his BSE absorption capabilities, i said that was the main reason. afterall, it was only when he started absorbing BSE that tyrant began to gain the edge.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree it wasn't a true UN blast. However, my point here is that one is multiversal and the other is Universal. One is exponentially greater than the other. So, to say just because he couldn't survive a multiversal blast means he couldn't survive a far lesser one? That certainly can't be said for certain. It's clear that his durability is quite good... Nothing anybody did had any effect on Tyrant sans Galactus really. Taking all those blasts from peak heralds and Trans level people and having no affect on him shows his durability. Even taking a lesser UN blast and still being there says something. It said nothing of attacking only his extremities. It just wasn't done right. Point is he still survived the first blast, which considering his durability must've been very strong none the less. there is absolutely no way to know how powerful those specific UN blasts were. though we can logically say they were << universal because, well, they didn't destroy the universe

Monarch easily

Tyrant easily.

Originally posted by batosaimsx
Monarch easily

Originally posted by Mindset
Tyrant easily.

Monarch with ease, I think if Tyrant begs for his life, Monarch might give him a job

Tyrant with ease, I think if Monarch begs for his life, Tyrant might let him give him a blowjob.

Monarch wins

Originally posted by Galan007
your long responses make me have to read... and i HATE reading. uhuh

jobbing some? he jobbed throughout the better majority of the battle. stevie wonder could see that his non-PIS battles during "arena" were vastly different from his jobbed-up battle against prime in "countdown".

oh and i never once gave monarch the win. just stated reasons why he'd put up a good fight

i never said the 'only' reason tyrant fared well was because of his BSE absorption capabilities, i said that was the main reason. afterall, it was only when he started absorbing BSE that tyrant began to gain the edge.

there is absolutely no way to know how powerful those specific UN blasts were. though we can logically say they were << universal because, well, they didn't destroy the universe

I will only point out one thing Galan. You said yourself those were specific UN blasts. Even pointing out they just attacked his extremities. So IMO, we have no way of knowing what would have occurred or how powerful it truly was had they not just attacked those specifically.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I will only point out one thing Galan. You said yourself those were specific UN blasts. Even pointing out they just attacked his extremities. So IMO, we have no way of knowing what would have occurred or how powerful it truly was had they not just attacked those specifically. exactly. the meager UN blast morg initially discharged could have completely annihilated tyrant as well.

Originally posted by Mindset
Tyrant with ease, I think if Monarch begs for his life, Tyrant might let him give him a blowjob.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Monarch for the majority. How?

What kind of evidence are you going to bring to the table to suggest that Monarch has the power to defeat Tyrant?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, I say Monarch wins. The characters he defeated are stronger then the character DP Tyrant defeated. Not to mention, he beat them easier. Tyrant was never defeated by any of the characters he faced. Monarch's armor is very breachable. Tyrant also went up against more powerful characters while Monarch merely owned top tiers.


The moment he went up against someone above that status he went down. Originally posted by iceman24567
Still haven't seen proof of Tyrants cosmic awareness. What does that have to do with anything? Why does he need ca to defeat Monarch?


Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah thats not what i typed nor what i thought you meant. Either way Tyrant scanning Prime for weaknesses isn't only out of character but it can't be supported by on panel feats. Why would Tyrant need to scan Prime for weakness when he can just beat him into submission?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
My fault, I though you said he was weak.

Regardless, you still view Prime with the GA inferior to Thanos. That's what I don't get. I am going to need those scans.

Red Sun works to a point. Prime has gone though a red star and landed on a planet. Without injury. If you don't call that resistance I don't know what to say.

Also, this will turn into a Prime vs Tyrant because you view Prime weaker then anyone Tyrant fought. That's false! Well, that's my opinion I also view Prime as weaker than Thanos with the ga powerup. It's also only a temporary powerup which is weaker than some of the characters Thanos has faced off against, personally.

Originally posted by batosaimsx
Monarch easily
Tyrant is nothing to a guy that had 52 monitors $hitting themselves These Monitors were jokes and his ragtag army was putting it to them. Tyrant has Galactus prepping himself for his fight not some joker Monitors.

Quan just no unless your going to reading every post between me an Kurupt to understand why i made those comments don't quote me please

I don't even want to reply to this dude!

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't even want to reply to this dude! Yes that will be my last response to him in this thread

I don't think he understand that I we had this arguement like 3 times already. It pretty funny

This thread just goes to show that Tyrant needs to come back. He was such an awesome villain who took out some of the best from Marvel with ease. Tyrant had such a short lifespan in the comics, but some very good showings.Iit would be foolish for the writers not to bring him back. Make Tyrant fight Rulk, Thor and the Avengers. Let's see how they would put up against him.

Let's see now, Monarch took out roughly 52 captain atoms. That feat easily trumps the fight where Tyrant+his army takes out a couple of mid heralds.

Originally posted by PowerCosmic
This thread just goes to show that Tyrant needs to come back. He was such an awesome villain who took out some of the best from Marvel with ease. Tyrant had such a short lifespan in the comics, but some very good showings.Iit would be foolish for the writers not to bring him back. Make Tyrant fight Rulk, Thor and the Avengers. Let's see how they would put up against him.

He was an uninteresting Gary Stu with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Let's see now, Monarch took out roughly 52 captain atoms. That feat easily trumps the fight where Tyrant+his army takes out a couple of mid heralds.



He was an uninteresting Gary Stu with absolutely no redeeming qualities. What are you talking about he was shit hot those dreads droolio. As for this thread he loses

Originally posted by iceman24567
Quan just no unless your going to reading every post between me an Kurupt to understand why i made those comments don't quote me please Feel free to explain it to me. Tyrant is more powerful and strong enough to tear open/blast open his armor.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't even want to reply to this dude! Then don't. Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Let's see now, Monarch took out roughly 52 captain atoms. That feat easily trumps the fight where Tyrant+his army takes out a couple of mid heralds.



He was an uninteresting Gary Stu with absolutely no redeeming qualities. And? He took out no one near a skyfather level character. He got beat by Superboy Prime's strength minus the amp.


Who beat Tyrant?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Let's see now, Monarch took out roughly 52 captain atoms. That feat easily trumps the fight where Tyrant+his army takes out a couple of mid heralds.



He was an uninteresting Gary Stu with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Really? Mid heralds... You call SS, BRB, Glads, and Morg. mid heralds? Hardly. Second, 52 captain atoms and everybody Monarch fought get beat by everybody Tyrant fought. So, again I fail to how you can say what you just did.

Originally posted by iceman24567
What are you talking about he was shit hot those dreads droolio. As for this thread he loses

Come on Ice... you know Tyrant hair gives him the Auto Win in your eyes. Of course I feel Tyrant wins even without the hair but that is just me.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Really? Mid heralds... You call SS, BRB, Glads, and Morg. mid heralds? Hardly. Second, 52 captain atoms and everybody Monarch fought get beat by everybody Tyrant fought. So, again I fail to how you can say what you just did. Exactly. These characters were featless for one. Secondly, the team Tyrant beat on was BrB, the Surfer, Gladiator, etc. These are feat monsters.


To make matters worse Tyrant was powerful enough to take Morg from Galactus because an all out battle made even Galactus flinch. That's power right there.


Tyrant would slaughter the team Monarch owned. Tyrant would slaughter Prime as well imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Feel free to explain it to me. Tyrant is more powerful and strong enough to tear open/blast open his armor.

Then don't. And? He took out no one near a skyfather level character. He got beat by Superboy Prime's strength minus the amp.


Who beat Tyrant?

True

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Come on Ice... you know Tyrant hair gives him the Auto Win in your eyes. Of course I feel Tyrant wins even without the hair but that is just me. Without the hair he gets stomp period